Kicking off in Israel

[Jockaline]

"The only way to ensure Israel's security is to annihalate Hamas!"

The Final Solution, natch.

If you think that Israel has any security with Hamas kicking around, you’re on crack.

Hamas going is only the first step

Palestinians haven't had any security for years due to Israel, try and see the other side of this, there's a good chap.

[I like neeps]

"The only way to ensure Israel's security is to annihalate Hamas!"

The Final Solution, natch.

If you think that Israel has any security with Hamas kicking around, you’re on crack.

Hamas going is only the first step

"Hamas going is only the first step" and presumably the decisive step to Hamas no longer "kicking around" and therefore security for Israel.

Ymx with the inevitable Freudian slip. Mask is off isn't it.

[Ymx]

"The only way to ensure Israel's security is to annihalate Hamas!"

The Final Solution, natch.

If you think that Israel has any security with Hamas kicking around, you’re on crack.

Hamas going is only the first step

Palestinians haven't had any security for years due to Israel, try and see the other side of this, there's a good chap.

Gaza has been lobbing missiles over for some time.

You kind of give up your right to security when you do this.

Let alone Oct 7th.

Israel completely left Gaza in 2005, let’s not forget. It was a huge olive branch, and opportunity, a massive sacrifice by 8000 Jewish settlers, and Israel.

In 2005, 21 Israeli settlements in the Gaza Strip were unilaterally dismantled and Israeli settlers and army evacuated from inside the Gaza Strip, redeploying its military along the border.[1]


Map of the Gaza Strip in May 2005, a few months prior to the Israeli withdrawal. The major settlement blocs were the blue-shaded regions of this map.

The disengagement was proposed in 2003 by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, adopted by the government in June 2004, and approved by the Knesset in February 2005 as the Disengagement Plan Implementation Law.[2] It was implemented in August 2005 and completed in September 2005. The settlers who refused to accept government compensation packages and voluntarily vacate their homes prior to the August 15, 2005, deadline were evicted by Israeli security forces over a period of several days.[3]

The eviction of all residents, demolition of the residential buildings and evacuation of associated security personnel from the Gaza Strip was completed by September 12, 2005.[4] The eviction and dismantlement of the four settlements in the northern West Bank was completed ten days later. Eight thousand Jewish settlers from the 21 settlements in the Gaza Strip were relocated.

[Uncle fester]

Once their military leadership is all gone, the current crop surrendered, and the hostages rescued- if any are still alive.

Sorry, but are you just taking the piss now because you have nothing better to do?

No I think he is sincere in his assertions and actually believes this.

Probably does but mantras are comforting, especially when you can repeat them over and over in response to challenging questions.

To put it in a different context, did any Brits think that destroying the IRA was the key to solving the NI troubles?
Or apartheid SA "destroying" the ANC the solution for South Africa?

[C69]

Sorry, but are you just taking the piss now because you have nothing better to do?

No I think he is sincere in his assertions and actually believes this.

Probably does but mantras are comforting, especially when you can repeat them over and over in response to challenging questions.

To put it in a different context, did any Brits think that destroying the IRA was the key to solving the NI troubles?
Or apartheid SA "destroying" the ANC the solution for South Africa?

"Brits" FFS.
Think about it.

[Uncle fester]

[Calculon]

Must admit one of my pet hates is keyboard warriors slagging off the UN. People from all political sides and angles do it. Stuff like "let just disband the UN, it is a pointless waste of time". I'm pretty sure the kids in receipt of their aid don't think so.

There is a limit to what they can do but they do their best, they provide humanitarian relief and they send their people in where the missiles and the bullets are flying. It is a very noble institution that reflects the best of humanity namely a desire to work collaboratively across ethic, cultural and national lines to support those in dire need. Its hardly their fault that their work is undone by the bloodthirsty and uncompromising nature of mankind.

Yeah, some lovely people working for the UN

https://unwatch.org/exposed-unrwa-employees/

[Calculon]

I haven't heard of a war where innocents were not killed. Even the Yanks with their super weapons couldn't avoid it in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Ever since Gaza attacked Israel, this was going to happen. Israel cannot stop and leave them with the ability to attack again - because they will attack again if they are not routed from Gaza.

I hate the deaths of innocents but I support Israel's right to exist. After many hundreds of years of progroms and a holocaust, they were always going to fight anyone to the death for that right.

In 1947 the Jews still had many thousands of people languishing in concentration camps still, because no country would take them. The formation of Israel was the solution (rightly or wrongly) and they will NEVER relinquish that given the circumstances leading up to it.

Similarly, the formation of a state for the Palestinians is the solution but it may well have to have a substantial buffer between them and Israel. I don't think that is possible so, in effect, the Palestinians have replaced the Jews as being stateless and now homeless. And the other states in the region couldn't give a toss - they don't want to help as that could end up in them losing land or being embroiled in the mess.

I can see Gaza being, in effect, a prison controlled by Israel for many many years.

Even under Bibi Israel was gradually normalizing its relationship with its Islamic neighbors. Once the war in Gaza settles down, which it will do eventually, there’s good reason to think that process will continue, especially under a new Israeli Prime Minister.

[C69]

So if the final ICJ judgement finds against Israel, will they actually follow the legal process?

[Gumboot]

Even under Bibi Israel was gradually normalizing its relationship with its Islamic neighbors. Once the war in Gaza settles down, which it will do eventually, there’s good reason to think that process will continue, especially under a new Israeli Prime Minister.

Delusional.

You and YMX have no more idea of how to solve this crisis than anyone else. Let alone the experts.

Meanwhile, hundreds of Palestinian civilians lose their limbs and lives every day, with no end in sight.

Israel is close to losing almost all international sympathy apart from America's, but they continue their murderous rampage.

Their only answer is to continue the slaughter until they think they've eliminated the threat...

And when that doesn't work, but just perpetuates their problem unto the next generation of victims on both sides, their answer is to double down and continue killing innocent kids.

It's a morally corrupt argument, imho.

[Ymx]

Sorry, but are you just taking the piss now because you have nothing better to do?

No I think he is sincere in his assertions and actually believes this.

Probably does but mantras are comforting, especially when you can repeat them over and over in response to challenging questions.

To put it in a different context, did any Brits think that destroying the IRA was the key to solving the NI troubles?
Or apartheid SA "destroying" the ANC the solution for South Africa?

As despicable as they were, did the IRA have a charter to completely eradicate the entire nation(s) of Britain?



Same for the ANC whose charter was

We, the People of South Africa, declare for all our country and the world to know: that South Africa belongs to all who live in it, black and white, and that no government can justly claim authority unless it is based on the will of all the people

You are deluded to think Hamas can remain and form a peaceful relationship with Israel. You probably think of them as freedom fighters, in your twisted little mind.

[Gumboot]

You are deluded to think Hamas can remain and form a peaceful relationship with Israel. You probably think of them as freedom fighters, in your twisted little mind.

Killing thousands of innocent children is only going to create more of your despised freedom fighters.

Get real, bro.

[Gumboot]

Sorry YMX, but I have to ask again, is this some sort of piss take?

I fucking hope it is, coz the alternative really doesn't bear thinking about...

[Calculon]

Even under Bibi Israel was gradually normalizing its relationship with its Islamic neighbors. Once the war in Gaza settles down, which it will do eventually, there’s good reason to think that process will continue, especially under a new Israeli Prime Minister.

Delusional.

You and YMX have no more idea of how to solve this crisis than anyone else. Let alone the experts.

Meanwhile, hundreds of Palestinian civilians lose their limbs and lives every day, with no end in sight.

Israel is close to losing almost all international sympathy apart from America's, but they continue their murderous rampage.

Their only answer is to continue the slaughter until they think they've eliminated the threat...

And when that doesn't work, but just perpetuates their problem unto the next generation of victims on both sides, their answer is to double down and continue killing innocent kids.

It's a morally corrupt argument, imho.

The Saudis are the key, obviously never going to happen with the Iranian regime. The reasons and benefits of normalision for Israel and the Saudis, and the States, haven't changed just because of the Gaza war. If anything, there will be even more pressure on Israel because of the economic cost of the war.

[C69]

So what exactly will the IDF do now given the ICJ ruling?
Will it make any difference at all?

[Ymx]

You are deluded to think Hamas can remain and form a peaceful relationship with Israel. You probably think of them as freedom fighters, in your twisted little mind.

Killing thousands of innocent children is only going to create more of your despised freedom fighters.

Get real, bro.

Wake up.

In absence of this war, well before it, Hamas had been indoctrinating the next generation.



If you think there’s a solution other than removing Hamas, you’re a deluded moron.

[C69]

You are deluded to think Hamas can remain and form a peaceful relationship with Israel. You probably think of them as freedom fighters, in your twisted little mind.

Killing thousands of innocent children is only going to create more of your despised freedom fighters.

Get real, bro.

Wake up.

In absence of this war, well before it, Hamas had been indoctrinating the next generation.



If you think there’s a solution other than removing Hamas, you’re a deluded moron.

Israeli kids are being used in just the same manner

[Gumboot]

You are deluded to think Hamas can remain and form a peaceful relationship with Israel. You probably think of them as freedom fighters, in your twisted little mind.

Killing thousands of innocent children is only going to create more of your despised freedom fighters.

Get real, bro.

Wake up.

In absence of this war, well before it, Hamas had been indoctrinating the next generation.



If you think there’s a solution other than removing Hamas, you’re a deluded moron.

I cannot believe you're such an intransigent extremist, the very thing you're accusing everyone who disagrees with you of being.

You're advocating Nazi-level extermination but accusing others of being morons...

Words fail me...

[Ymx]

You’re saying this is a Nazi-level Holocaust, and yet you’re calling me extreme !

Get a grip on reality

[Hugo]

Must admit one of my pet hates is keyboard warriors slagging off the UN. People from all political sides and angles do it. Stuff like "let just disband the UN, it is a pointless waste of time". I'm pretty sure the kids in receipt of their aid don't think so.

There is a limit to what they can do but they do their best, they provide humanitarian relief and they send their people in where the missiles and the bullets are flying. It is a very noble institution that reflects the best of humanity namely a desire to work collaboratively across ethic, cultural and national lines to support those in dire need. Its hardly their fault that their work is undone by the bloodthirsty and uncompromising nature of mankind.

Yeah, some lovely people working for the UN

https://unwatch.org/exposed-unrwa-employees/

Israel alleges. Sorry Im not treating anything coming from Israel as the Gospel truth, without verification.

[Hugo]

Also, there is an interesting thing to note here. The US immediately halts funding to the UNRWA. Yet never, ever halts funding to Israel. It doesn't matter how discriminatory their regime is, how many innocent people they kill, the blank cheque is always given to Israel.

[C69]

Also the same day as Israel announced thà after the war the UNWRA will no longer be allowed to function in Gaza
Hmmm.
12 employee are implicated to have involvement in th heinous attacks?
Not found guilty or arrested.
Really? This is seems a bit ridiculous..

[Hugo]

Also the same day as Israel announced thà after the war the UNWRA will no longer be allowed to function in Gaza
Hmmm.
12 employee are implicated to have involvement in th heinous attacks?
Not found guilty or arrested.
Really? This is seems a bit ridiculous..

Yes and over 100 UN workers have been killed in Gaza. Yet the outrage machine only kicks into high gear when Israel makes these allegations. When those 100+ workers died no-one lifted a finger.

[Uncle fester]

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Did Israel ever find that command centre under the hospital?

[C69]

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Did Israel ever find that command centre under the hospital?

I've seen their animation...

No

[Gumboot]

You’re saying this is a Nazi-level Holocaust, and yet you’re calling me extreme !

Get a grip on reality

The reality is that Israel has indisciminately slaughtered over 10,000+ innocent Palestinian children in Gaza in a matter of months.

The reality is that Israel wants to drive the entire Palestinian population out of Gaza.

This is genocide, and will only serve to create more generations of vengeful Hamas terrorists who have lost a parent or sibling (or all of them!) in this war.

But you seem fine with all this, and have some sort of Quixotic belief that Hamas can in fact be destroyed and that is the only way Israel can ever be secure... and that is just utterly unrealistic, not to mention self-defeating.

Israel has a right to defend itself, but it's long since crossed the line into immoral slaughter on an industrial scale.

And that is undeniable reality. Although I suspect you'll continue trying to deny it anyway... sigh.

[Ymx]

I truly hope this is real



Speculation exists that it might be dubbed.

[Calculon]

Also, there is an interesting thing to note here. The US immediately halts funding to the UNRWA. Yet never, ever halts funding to Israel. It doesn't matter how discriminatory their regime is, how many innocent people they kill, the blank cheque is always given to Israel.

The US is. by far the biggest funder of UNRWA, followed by Germany. So far Australia, Canada, Finland, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Switzerland, France, the UK,.the US and probably other countries have suspended aid to them. Maybe New Zealand gives them money. I'm sure you. can send them money directly if you wish

[Calculon]

Also the same day as Israel announced thà after the war the UNWRA will no longer be allowed to function in Gaza
Hmmm.
12 employee are implicated to have involvement in th heinous attacks?
Not found guilty or arrested.
Really? This is seems a bit ridiculous..

They were immediately fired by UNWRA. not sure who you expect to arrest them since they're operating in areas controlled by Hamas.

[Calculon]

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hmmm, the Hamas tunnels where the hostages are being tortured, killed and where many, including a one year old.baby are still kept. well, that baby is probably dead by now. I'm glad I'm not the only edge Lord on this thread.

[Uncle fester]

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hmmm, the Hamas tunnels where the hostages are being tortured, killed and where many, including a one year old.baby are still kept. well, that baby is probably dead by now. I'm glad I'm not the only edge Lord on this thread.

Did Israel ever find that command centre under the hospital?

[Calculon]

The hospital with numerous tunnels underneath, where hostages were being kept by Hamas and weapons stored. IDK, I quess depends on your definition of command center

[Calculon]

Fucking hell, looking at that thread UF posted and going down the Twitter rabbit hole. and Musk wonders why advertisers are leaving

https://twitter.com/HeAmIYes




maga scum

[Calculon]

A former boss of mine worked at the WFP. he was absolutely scathing of how bad they were. I didn't take. much notice at the time but maybe he was right

In 2018, the Center for Global Development ranked WFP last in a study of 40 aid programmes, based on indicators grouped into four themes: maximising efficiency, fostering institutions, reducing burdens, and transparency and learning. These indicators relate to aid effectiveness principles developed at the Paris Declaration on Aid Effectiveness (2005), the Accra Agenda for Action (2008), and the Busan Partnership Agreement

Some surveys have shown internal culture problems at WFP, including sexual harassment.[59

[Hugo]

So far Australia, Canada, Finland, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Switzerland, France, the UK,.the US and probably other countries have suspended aid to them. Maybe New Zealand gives them money.

They have joined the US in suspending aid immediately on account of 12 people out of an overall staff of 13,000 being accused by Israel. By Israel. That's not even a tenth of a percent of the people they employ.

Yet they do not press with the same sense of urgency for a ceasefire despite thousands of dead bodies piling up.

If anything it makes those countries look like their priorities are messed up. Overreacting on suspending aid and a muted response in terms of speaking up on behalf of innocent Palestinians.

[C69]

So the Israeli settlers and authorities are making a big push to ensure that the Palestinians are driven off their land and have no economic stability.
Amazing how a state can ethnically cleanse an area with Draconian measures to disenfranchise a section of society.

[Ymx]

I’m amazed it took so long for this to come out. The colleagues not notice that a dozen of them were out on a terrorist murderous spree. Really ??

How much UNRWA funding has been diverted to Hamas?

[C69]

I’m amazed it took so long for this to come out. The colleagues not notice that a dozen of them were out on a terrorist murderous spree. Really ??

How much UNRWA funding has been diverted to Hamas?

Can you please post a link where it is confirmed they were actually part of the murderous acts of the 7th.
I think you are making stuff up again.

[Slick]

So far Australia, Canada, Finland, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Switzerland, France, the UK,.the US and probably other countries have suspended aid to them. Maybe New Zealand gives them money.

They have joined the US in suspending aid immediately on account of 12 people out of an overall staff of 13,000 being accused by Israel. By Israel. That's not even a tenth of a percent of the people they employ.

Yet they do not press with the same sense of urgency for a ceasefire despite thousands of dead bodies piling up.

If anything it makes those countries look like their priorities are messed up. Overreacting on suspending aid and a muted response in terms of speaking up on behalf of innocent Palestinians.

Not Scotland though.

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[Ymx]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Watch