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Ymx wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 5:08 pm

Gumboot wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:36 am "The only way to ensure Israel's security is to annihalate Hamas!"

The Final Solution, natch.

If you think that Israel has any security with Hamas kicking around, you’re on crack.

Hamas going is only the first step

Ymx wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 5:08 pm

Gumboot wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:36 am "The only way to ensure Israel's security is to annihalate Hamas!"

The Final Solution, natch.

If you think that Israel has any security with Hamas kicking around, you’re on crack.

Hamas going is only the first step

Jockaline wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 5:11 pm

Ymx wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 5:08 pm

Gumboot wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:36 am "The only way to ensure Israel's security is to annihalate Hamas!"

The Final Solution, natch.

If you think that Israel has any security with Hamas kicking around, you’re on crack.

Hamas going is only the first step

Palestinians haven't had any security for years due to Israel, try and see the other side of this, there's a good chap.

In 2005, 21 Israeli settlements in the Gaza Strip were unilaterally dismantled and Israeli settlers and army evacuated from inside the Gaza Strip, redeploying its military along the border.[1]


Map of the Gaza Strip in May 2005, a few months prior to the Israeli withdrawal. The major settlement blocs were the blue-shaded regions of this map.

The disengagement was proposed in 2003 by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, adopted by the government in June 2004, and approved by the Knesset in February 2005 as the Disengagement Plan Implementation Law.[2] It was implemented in August 2005 and completed in September 2005. The settlers who refused to accept government compensation packages and voluntarily vacate their homes prior to the August 15, 2005, deadline were evicted by Israeli security forces over a period of several days.[3]

The eviction of all residents, demolition of the residential buildings and evacuation of associated security personnel from the Gaza Strip was completed by September 12, 2005.[4] The eviction and dismantlement of the four settlements in the northern West Bank was completed ten days later. Eight thousand Jewish settlers from the 21 settlements in the Gaza Strip were relocated.

C69 wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 1:50 pm

Gumboot wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:42 am

Ymx wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:33 amOnce their military leadership is all gone, the current crop surrendered, and the hostages rescued- if any are still alive.

Sorry, but are you just taking the piss now because you have nothing better to do?

No I think he is sincere in his assertions and actually believes this.

Uncle fester wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:17 pm

C69 wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 1:50 pm

Gumboot wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:42 am

Sorry, but are you just taking the piss now because you have nothing better to do?

No I think he is sincere in his assertions and actually believes this.

Probably does but mantras are comforting, especially when you can repeat them over and over in response to challenging questions.

To put it in a different context, did any Brits think that destroying the IRA was the key to solving the NI troubles?
Or apartheid SA "destroying" the ANC the solution for South Africa?

Hugo wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2024 8:18 pm Must admit one of my pet hates is keyboard warriors slagging off the UN. People from all political sides and angles do it. Stuff like "let just disband the UN, it is a pointless waste of time". I'm pretty sure the kids in receipt of their aid don't think so.

There is a limit to what they can do but they do their best, they provide humanitarian relief and they send their people in where the missiles and the bullets are flying. It is a very noble institution that reflects the best of humanity namely a desire to work collaboratively across ethic, cultural and national lines to support those in dire need. Its hardly their fault that their work is undone by the bloodthirsty and uncompromising nature of mankind.

Enzedder wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 7:23 pm I haven't heard of a war where innocents were not killed. Even the Yanks with their super weapons couldn't avoid it in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Ever since Gaza attacked Israel, this was going to happen. Israel cannot stop and leave them with the ability to attack again - because they will attack again if they are not routed from Gaza.

I hate the deaths of innocents but I support Israel's right to exist. After many hundreds of years of progroms and a holocaust, they were always going to fight anyone to the death for that right.

In 1947 the Jews still had many thousands of people languishing in concentration camps still, because no country would take them. The formation of Israel was the solution (rightly or wrongly) and they will NEVER relinquish that given the circumstances leading up to it.

Similarly, the formation of a state for the Palestinians is the solution but it may well have to have a substantial buffer between them and Israel. I don't think that is possible so, in effect, the Palestinians have replaced the Jews as being stateless and now homeless. And the other states in the region couldn't give a toss - they don't want to help as that could end up in them losing land or being embroiled in the mess.

I can see Gaza being, in effect, a prison controlled by Israel for many many years.

Calculon wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 6:34 amEven under Bibi Israel was gradually normalizing its relationship with its Islamic neighbors. Once the war in Gaza settles down, which it will do eventually, there’s good reason to think that process will continue, especially under a new Israeli Prime Minister.

Uncle fester wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:17 pm

C69 wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 1:50 pm

Gumboot wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:42 am

Sorry, but are you just taking the piss now because you have nothing better to do?

No I think he is sincere in his assertions and actually believes this.

Probably does but mantras are comforting, especially when you can repeat them over and over in response to challenging questions.

To put it in a different context, did any Brits think that destroying the IRA was the key to solving the NI troubles?
Or apartheid SA "destroying" the ANC the solution for South Africa?

We, the People of South Africa, declare for all our country and the world to know: that South Africa belongs to all who live in it, black and white, and that no government can justly claim authority unless it is based on the will of all the people

Ymx wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:54 amYou are deluded to think Hamas can remain and form a peaceful relationship with Israel. You probably think of them as freedom fighters, in your twisted little mind.

Gumboot wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:34 am

Calculon wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 6:34 amEven under Bibi Israel was gradually normalizing its relationship with its Islamic neighbors. Once the war in Gaza settles down, which it will do eventually, there’s good reason to think that process will continue, especially under a new Israeli Prime Minister.

Delusional.

You and YMX have no more idea of how to solve this crisis than anyone else. Let alone the experts.

Meanwhile, hundreds of Palestinian civilians lose their limbs and lives every day, with no end in sight.

Israel is close to losing almost all international sympathy apart from America's, but they continue their murderous rampage.

Their only answer is to continue the slaughter until they think they've eliminated the threat...

And when that doesn't work, but just perpetuates their problem unto the next generation of victims on both sides, their answer is to double down and continue killing innocent kids.

It's a morally corrupt argument, imho.

Gumboot wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:00 am

Ymx wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:54 amYou are deluded to think Hamas can remain and form a peaceful relationship with Israel. You probably think of them as freedom fighters, in your twisted little mind.

Killing thousands of innocent children is only going to create more of your despised freedom fighters.

Get real, bro.

Ymx wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:40 am

Gumboot wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:00 am

Ymx wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:54 amYou are deluded to think Hamas can remain and form a peaceful relationship with Israel. You probably think of them as freedom fighters, in your twisted little mind.

Killing thousands of innocent children is only going to create more of your despised freedom fighters.

Get real, bro.

Wake up.

In absence of this war, well before it, Hamas had been indoctrinating the next generation.



If you think there’s a solution other than removing Hamas, you’re a deluded moron.

Ymx wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:40 am

Gumboot wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:00 am

Ymx wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:54 amYou are deluded to think Hamas can remain and form a peaceful relationship with Israel. You probably think of them as freedom fighters, in your twisted little mind.

Killing thousands of innocent children is only going to create more of your despised freedom fighters.

Get real, bro.

Wake up.

In absence of this war, well before it, Hamas had been indoctrinating the next generation.



If you think there’s a solution other than removing Hamas, you’re a deluded moron.

Calculon wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 6:25 am

Hugo wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2024 8:18 pm Must admit one of my pet hates is keyboard warriors slagging off the UN. People from all political sides and angles do it. Stuff like "let just disband the UN, it is a pointless waste of time". I'm pretty sure the kids in receipt of their aid don't think so.

There is a limit to what they can do but they do their best, they provide humanitarian relief and they send their people in where the missiles and the bullets are flying. It is a very noble institution that reflects the best of humanity namely a desire to work collaboratively across ethic, cultural and national lines to support those in dire need. Its hardly their fault that their work is undone by the bloodthirsty and uncompromising nature of mankind.

Yeah, some lovely people working for the UN

https://unwatch.org/exposed-unrwa-employees/

C69 wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 4:25 pm Also the same day as Israel announced thà after the war the UNWRA will no longer be allowed to function in Gaza
Hmmm.
12 employee are implicated to have involvement in th heinous attacks?
Not found guilty or arrested.
Really? This is seems a bit ridiculous..

Uncle fester wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 6:45 pm signal-2024-01-27-13-51-33-281.jpg

Did Israel ever find that command centre under the hospital?

Ymx wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 12:30 pm You’re saying this is a Nazi-level Holocaust, and yet you’re calling me extreme !

Get a grip on reality

Hugo wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 3:23 pm Also, there is an interesting thing to note here. The US immediately halts funding to the UNRWA. Yet never, ever halts funding to Israel. It doesn't matter how discriminatory their regime is, how many innocent people they kill, the blank cheque is always given to Israel.

C69 wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 4:25 pm Also the same day as Israel announced thà after the war the UNWRA will no longer be allowed to function in Gaza
Hmmm.
12 employee are implicated to have involvement in th heinous attacks?
Not found guilty or arrested.
Really? This is seems a bit ridiculous..

Uncle fester wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 6:45 pm signal-2024-01-27-13-51-33-281.jpg

Calculon wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 12:14 am

Uncle fester wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 6:45 pm signal-2024-01-27-13-51-33-281.jpg

hmmm, the Hamas tunnels where the hostages are being tortured, killed and where many, including a one year old.baby are still kept. well, that baby is probably dead by now. I'm glad I'm not the only edge Lord on this thread.

In 2018, the Center for Global Development ranked WFP last in a study of 40 aid programmes, based on indicators grouped into four themes: maximising efficiency, fostering institutions, reducing burdens, and transparency and learning. These indicators relate to aid effectiveness principles developed at the Paris Declaration on Aid Effectiveness (2005), the Accra Agenda for Action (2008), and the Busan Partnership Agreement

Some surveys have shown internal culture problems at WFP, including sexual harassment.[59

Calculon wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 11:52 pm
So far Australia, Canada, Finland, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Switzerland, France, the UK,.the US and probably other countries have suspended aid to them. Maybe New Zealand gives them money.

Ymx wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 10:38 am I’m amazed it took so long for this to come out. The colleagues not notice that a dozen of them were out on a terrorist murderous spree. Really ??

How much UNRWA funding has been diverted to Hamas?

Hugo wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 8:14 am

Calculon wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 11:52 pm
So far Australia, Canada, Finland, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Switzerland, France, the UK,.the US and probably other countries have suspended aid to them. Maybe New Zealand gives them money.

They have joined the US in suspending aid immediately on account of 12 people out of an overall staff of 13,000 being accused by Israel. By Israel. That's not even a tenth of a percent of the people they employ.

Yet they do not press with the same sense of urgency for a ceasefire despite thousands of dead bodies piling up.

If anything it makes those countries look like their priorities are messed up. Overreacting on suspending aid and a muted response in terms of speaking up on behalf of innocent Palestinians.