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Re: Sharks 2020/2021
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:27 pm
by boere wors
assfly wrote: Fri Jun 11, 2021 11:34 am
boere wors wrote: Fri Jun 11, 2021 11:28 am
Anyway, we have now found quite a fine center partnership in deallende and Am, although I would say only since after the successful RWC we have found our love for them.
De Allende is on fire at the moment.

Re: $hark$ 2020/2021
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:22 pm
by assfly
Buthelezi named as captain for the Currie Cup. Good call.
Re: $hark$ 2020/2021
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:53 pm
by Sards
assfly wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:22 pm
Buthelezi named as captain for the Currie Cup. Good call.
Good call
Our youngsters still need to mature and you may as well start grooming the captain for the future
Re: $hark$ 2020/2021
Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:45 am
by assfly
$harks have recruited a Leinsterman to join the coaching setup
https://www.news24.com/sport/rugby/curr ... s-20210624
Thank goodness we're not just blowing our new-found wealth on players. The real lack of depth at the $harks, and the rest of SA for that matter, is coaching.
I am now fairly confident we will win the inagural URC, possibly unbeaten.
Re: $hark$ 2020/2021
Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 5:29 pm
by OomStruisbaai
assfly wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:45 am
$harks have recruited a Leinsterman to join the coaching setup
https://www.news24.com/sport/rugby/curr ... s-20210624
Thank goodness we're not just blowing our new-found wealth on players. The real lack of depth at the $harks, and the rest of SA for that matter, is coaching.
I am now fairly confident we will win the inagural URC, possibly unbeaten.
Sad they don't invest in a local black coach for development.
Re: $hark$ 2020/2021
Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 5:57 pm
by Sards
OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 5:29 pm
assfly wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:45 am
$harks have recruited a Leinsterman to join the coaching setup
https://www.news24.com/sport/rugby/curr ... s-20210624
Thank goodness we're not just blowing our new-found wealth on players. The real lack of depth at the $harks, and the rest of SA for that matter, is coaching.
I am now fairly confident we will win the inagural URC, possibly unbeaten.
Sad they don't invest in a local black coach for development.
Sharks are modeled as a family and their history certainly shows that. I was concerned with the buyout that these values would be lost. But it has been shown to be the culture that most players of value want to be a part of. I mean. If you want to get the best value abroad, spend a season at the Sharks. The Sharks union is the most transformed of all the other unions. Our national captain has bought into it. Him of the bent knee.
Don't come preach transformation in a glass house
Re: $hark$ 2020/2021
Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:49 pm
by OomStruisbaai
Transformation of coaches and executives is even more important then players.
Re: $hark$ 2020/2021
Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:26 pm
by Sards
OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:49 pm
Transformation of coaches and executives is even more important then players.
Hows that working for you ANC supporters
Re: $hark$ 2020/2021
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 4:35 am
by assfly
OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 5:29 pm
Sad they don't invest in a local black coach for development.
We are the only province taking transformation seriously and the results speak for themselves.
Re: $hark$ 2020/2021
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 4:55 am
by Chilli
assfly wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 4:35 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 5:29 pm
Sad they don't invest in a local black coach for development.
We are the only province taking transformation seriously and the results speak for themselves.
Yeah, the poaching of every talented black player is working for the $harks !
Re: $hark$ 2020/2021
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 5:02 am
by assfly
Chilli wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 4:55 am
Yeah, the poaching of every talented black player is working for the $harks !
As opposed to the Bull who only poach old white players? (Apart from their only black starting player who they poached from the Sharks)
We've gone down this road before. It's not poaching, these are professional rugby players who seek to play for us.
Re: $hark$ 2020/2021
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 5:20 am
by OomStruisbaai
assfly wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 5:02 am
Chilli wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 4:55 am
Yeah, the poaching of every talented black player is working for the $harks !
As opposed to the Bull who only poach old white players? (Apart from their only black starting player who they poached from the Sharks)
We've gone down this road before. It's not poaching, these are professional rugby players who seek to play for us.
Jake White develope x Sharks PoC as coaches compare to the Sharks who import overseas coaches.
Sharks executive is all whites.
That's where they need to invest transformation first.
Re: $hark$ 2020/2021
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 5:27 am
by assfly
OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 5:20 am
That's where they need to invest transformation first.
The talent of players is there. The coaching is not. Same for all of SA. I have no problem bringing in international coaches to help. Just like you did with Eddie Jones before he dumped you for another gig.
Re: $hark$ 2020/2021
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:06 am
by Chilli
assfly wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 5:02 am
Chilli wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 4:55 am
Yeah, the poaching of every talented black player is working for the $harks !
As opposed to the Bull who only poach old white players? (Apart from their only black starting player who they poached from the Sharks)
We've gone down this road before. It's not poaching, these are professional rugby players who seek to play for us.
First they came for the Freestate players
Now they come for the Black players
Poachers be poaching.

Re: $hark$ 2020/2021
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:29 am
by assfly
Chilli wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:06 am
Poachers be poaching.
Leavers be leaving.

Re: $hark$ 2020/2021
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 8:19 am
by Chilli
assfly wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:29 am
Chilli wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:06 am
Poachers be poaching.
Leavers be leaving.
Quite!

Re: $hark$ 2020/2021
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:06 am
by assfly
It gets better:

Re: $hark$ 2020/2021
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:10 am
by OomStruisbaai
assfly wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:06 am
It gets better:
Only white faces. Dik swak.
Thats why WP executives had a problem with the Americans.
Re: $hark$ 2020/2021
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:18 am
by OomStruisbaai
assfly wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 5:27 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 5:20 am
That's where they need to invest transformation first.
The talent of players is there. The coaching is not. Same for all of SA. I have no problem bringing in international coaches to help. Just like you did with Eddie Jones before he dumped you for another gig.
That was before WP transform their executives. You, Nipper and Blake are heavy on transformation. Now you run away from it. Look like you are a racist?
Re: $hark$ 2020/2021
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:19 am
by assfly
OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:10 am
Only white faces. Dik swak.
Thats why WP executives had a problem with the Americans.
Since when did transformation become such a critical issue for you, given your track record

Re: $hark$ 2020/2021
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:32 am
by OomStruisbaai
assfly wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:19 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:10 am
Only white faces. Dik swak.
Thats why WP executives had a problem with the Americans.
Since when did transformation become such a critical issue for you, given your track record
According to Sards I vote for the ANC. Transformation starts at the top. You are far from that, Zuma will probably apply for that Sharks job.. WP is done with that.
Re: $hark$ 2020/2021
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:48 am
by assfly
OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:32 am
Transformation starts at the top. You are far from that, Zuma will probably apply for that Sharks job.. WP is done with that.

sure thing
Re: $hark$ 2020/2021
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:49 am
by Chilli
If I could understand what Oom is saying I'd agree with it.
Re: $hark$ 2020/2021
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:52 am
by assfly
Chilli wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:49 am
If I could understand what Oom is saying I'd agree with it.
I guess we'll never know
Interesting quote from Coetzee:
âThe result of the Rainbow Cup final played in Treviso, is a timely warning that South African rugby cannot adopt a conservative outlook, and with this in mind it is exciting to welcome these coaches to our Cell C Sharks coaching team, as they will impart their knowledge of the northern hemisphere conditions and style of play, as we prepare for our participation in a new tournament.â
âWe have identified areas of our game that we want to improve in and will be announcing further coaching appointments in the coming weeks. We are confident that weâve assembled a high-level technical team, who will support our head coach in the effective execution of our playing DNA, and which reaffirms our commitment of creating a winning mindset across all spheres of our businessâ, added Coetzee.
Etienne Fynn (Forwards) and Phiwe Nomlomo (Skills) will retain their coaching roles in the senior team set-up".
Re: $hark$ 2020/2021
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 11:33 am
by OomStruisbaai
Isn't the coaching staff suppose to be 50% etnic Blacks ?
Re: $hark$ 2020/2021
Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2021 11:41 am
by assfly
Sharks have signed former Georgian international Akvsenti Giorgadze as a scrum consultant.
Re: $hark$ 2020/2021
Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2021 2:07 pm
by OomStruisbaai
assfly wrote: Thu Jul 01, 2021 11:41 am
Sharks have signed former Georgian international Akvsenti Giorgadze as a scrum consultant.
Dik swak
Re: $hark$ 2020/2021
Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2021 3:23 pm
by Chilli
assfly wrote: Thu Jul 01, 2021 11:41 am
Sharks have signed former Georgian international Akvsenti Giorgadze as a scrum consultant.
Isn't that Etienne Fynn's job?
Re: $hark$ 2020/2021
Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2021 3:39 pm
by Sards
assfly wrote: Thu Jul 01, 2021 11:41 am
Sharks have signed former Georgian international Akvsenti Giorgadze as a scrum consultant.
Moving in the right direction
Re: $hark$ 2020/2021
Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:11 pm
by Chilli
TRANSFER NEWS: The Sharks have said goodbye to one of their locks.
JJ van der Mescht has been granted an early release from his contract to join Stade Francais in France, by mutual agreement and with immediate effect.
Van der Mescht joined the Sharks in 2018 and was part of the Sharks Under-19 team that won the U19 championship that same year.
His last outing in a Sharks jersey was against the British and Irish Lions a week ago.
Commenting on his departure, Sharks CEO Eduard Coetzee said: âWe are obviously very disappointed to lose a young player with JJâs ability.
âHe has immense potential, and we hope that this move to France gives him renewed motivation to work on his fitness and discipline.
âOur best wishes are extended to him for this next chapter in his career.â

Re: $hark$ 2020/2021
Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:15 pm
by assfly
That's a bit of a shock and a shame, but I wonder if we're offloaded a liability.
Seemed full of promise, but he's obviously been stuffing his face full of pies the last few months.
Stade Francais will be a shock for him. If he makes it past the first year, then I wouldn't be surprised to see him in a French jersey soon.
Also can't blame the lad considering what's happening on his doorstep.
Re: $hark$ 2020/2021
Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:26 pm
by Chilli
assfly wrote: Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:15 pm
That's a bit of a shock and a shame, but I wonder if we're offloaded a liability.
Seemed full of promise, but he's obviously been stuffing his face full of pies the last few months.
Stade Francais will be a shock for him. If he makes it past the first year, then I wouldn't be surprised to see him in a French jersey soon.
Also can't blame the lad considering what's happening on his doorstep.
He was a bit underwhelming. $harks can buy better.
Re: $hark$ 2020/2021
Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:27 pm
by Yeeb
Heâs a decent player, big lump - only seen him a couple of times though. He probably had this french move lined up for a while, and recent events just made his mind up and take the cash and build his life elsewhere.
We had a fat player Andy Goode who went to France and lost kilos due to less processed food and more wine not beer
Re: $hark$ 2020/2021
Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:18 pm
by handyman
assfly wrote: Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:15 pm
That's a bit of a shock and a shame, but I wonder if we're offloaded a liability.
Seemed full of promise, but he's obviously been stuffing his face full of pies the last few months.
Stade Francais will be a shock for him. If he makes it past the first year, then I wouldn't be surprised to see him in a French jersey soon.
Also can't blame the lad considering what's happening on his doorstep.
Yes the comments from the ceo is quite clear.
Re: $hark$ 2020/2021
Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:18 pm
by OomStruisbaai
Big loss for the Sharks. He was their most physical player
Re: $hark$ 2020/2021
Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:26 pm
by FalseBayFC
Will Skelton the Wallaby lock was 140kg when he headed North. He has shed 15-20kg playing in UK and France and is now an absolute beast. JJ is a freakish athlete. Who should be playing at 120kg rather than the 135kg he is listed at.
Re: $hark$ 2020/2021
Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:46 pm
by boere wors
handyman wrote: Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:18 pm
assfly wrote: Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:15 pm
That's a bit of a shock and a shame, but I wonder if we're offloaded a liability.
Seemed full of promise, but he's obviously been stuffing his face full of pies the last few months.
Stade Francais will be a shock for him. If he makes it past the first year, then I wouldn't be surprised to see him in a French jersey soon.
Also can't blame the lad considering what's happening on his doorstep.
Yes the comments from the ceo is quite clear.
Yep, no need to read between the lines...

likewise his answer, though:
Commenting on his move, Van der Mescht said: â... I am really excited to move on and play in France and learn from new coaches and players that will make me a better player.â
Re: $hark$ 2020/2021
Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2021 9:32 am
by Blake
Very underwhelming player at the Sharks. Physical freak who could have been so much more if he was willing to put in some effort; both physically and mentally.
One of those players that doesnât look like heâs ever had to really work for his success because of his gifts, so never developed any skills or discipline and then got a massive shock when he hit the professional level of his sport.
I hope his stint if France helps him develop as a player and that he can reach his potential. If he doesnât, he has nobody to blame but himself.
Re: $hark$ 2020/2021
Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:32 pm
by FalseBayFC
Blake wrote: Sat Jul 17, 2021 9:32 am
Very underwhelming player at the Sharks. Physical freak who could have been so much more if he was willing to put in some effort; both physically and mentally.
One of those players that doesnât look like heâs ever had to really work for his success because of his gifts, so never developed any skills or discipline and then got a massive shock when he hit the professional level of his sport.
I hope his stint if France helps him develop as a player and that he can reach his potential. If he doesnât, he has nobody to blame but himself.
I think he has been very impressive as a 21 year old tight forward in what's been a very difficult introduction to senior rugby. He has some rough edges and needs to work on his conditioning. No 21 year old lock walks into senior rugby and dominates. He's just been overhyped as a schoolboy is all.
Re: $hark$ 2020/2021
Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:15 pm
by Chilli
FalseBayFC wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:32 pm
Blake wrote: Sat Jul 17, 2021 9:32 am
Very underwhelming player at the Sharks. Physical freak who could have been so much more if he was willing to put in some effort; both physically and mentally.
One of those players that doesnât look like heâs ever had to really work for his success because of his gifts, so never developed any skills or discipline and then got a massive shock when he hit the professional level of his sport.
I hope his stint if France helps him develop as a player and that he can reach his potential. If he doesnât, he has nobody to blame but himself.
I think he has been very impressive as a 21 year old tight forward in what's been a very difficult introduction to senior rugby. He has some rough edges and needs to work on his conditioning. No 21 year old lock walks into senior rugby and dominates. He's just been overhyped as a schoolboy is all.
He is from the WP?
