i hate to tell you this, but a midlands brown ale was basically a midlands brewery's mild in a bottle. it's not really a distinct beer stylemat the expat wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:14 amThis I also know - But, I can't stand the modern iterations.Happyhooker wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:10 amUhoh. Sours are one of the oldest beer styles and, on the whole, fucking awesomemat the expat wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:05 am No, I get it .
I ate my words as I was lamenting that we were never getting to get anything other than IPA Derivatives.......and then we got Sours![]()
I know I'm a cliche
Luckily for me, my favourite beer in Oz is a proper Midlands style Brown Ale
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I’m not keen or Staropramen myself, but I like Pilsner Urquell.Biffer wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:37 pm Weather is getting warmer so I turn more to lager. Pilsner Urquell, Staropramen are the bigger names I like, can’t stand Stella or most Belgian beers. Any suggestions?
I also like Czech Budvar. Harviestoun Schiehallion is good, there are a couple of good Orkney lagers too
Black Isle Blonde and Arran Blonde where my favoured tipples back homes, London was Spitfire and Doombar, Australia's beer is absolute piss by comparison although a couple of okay ones are: 4 Pines Pacific and Stone & Wood.
Another note, I find Brewdog's success utterly perplexing (success of brand, maybe?): their products are uniformly garbage and very expensive- anyone keen on them?
Another note, I find Brewdog's success utterly perplexing (success of brand, maybe?): their products are uniformly garbage and very expensive- anyone keen on them?
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Sounds like you haven't sampled enough. Those named are probably the closest to macro a craft beer can get.Caley_Red wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:36 am Black Isle Blonde and Arran Blonde where my favoured tipples back homes, London was Spitfire and Doombar, Australia's beer is absolute piss by comparison although a couple of okay ones are: 4 Pines Pacific and Stone & Wood.
Another note, I find Brewdog's success utterly perplexing (success of brand, maybe?): their products are uniformly garbage and very expensive- anyone keen on them?
Balter, Colonial and Bridge Rd are all smaller outfits putting out excellent beer.
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Staropramen is now brewed under license by Marstons - I actually think they are doing a decent job of it and I have a bottle occasionally at home. It's reasonably priced too. Pilsener Urquell has also had a return to form recently after a few years where I think the quality dropped a bit. Urquell is more bitter which is more to my taste.Tichtheid wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:55 pmI’m not keen or Staropramen myself, but I like Pilsner Urquell.Biffer wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:37 pm Weather is getting warmer so I turn more to lager. Pilsner Urquell, Staropramen are the bigger names I like, can’t stand Stella or most Belgian beers. Any suggestions?
I also like Czech Budvar. Harviestoun Schiehallion is good, there are a couple of good Orkney lagers too
I wouldn't go near most of the big name brands willingly.
Yeah Schiehallion is good. And is a lager.Tichtheid wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:55 pmI’m not keen or Staropramen myself, but I like Pilsner Urquell.Biffer wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:37 pm Weather is getting warmer so I turn more to lager. Pilsner Urquell, Staropramen are the bigger names I like, can’t stand Stella or most Belgian beers. Any suggestions?
I also like Czech Budvar. Harviestoun Schiehallion is good, there are a couple of good Orkney lagers too
I feel the need to point out to people that Blonde Ales are not lagers.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
I've enjoyed a couple of Leith Lagers from Pilot during this lockdown.Biffer wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:47 amYeah Schiehallion is good. And is a lager.Tichtheid wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:55 pmI’m not keen or Staropramen myself, but I like Pilsner Urquell.Biffer wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:37 pm Weather is getting warmer so I turn more to lager. Pilsner Urquell, Staropramen are the bigger names I like, can’t stand Stella or most Belgian beers. Any suggestions?
I also like Czech Budvar. Harviestoun Schiehallion is good, there are a couple of good Orkney lagers too
I feel the need to point out to people that Blonde Ales are not lagers.
Quite like Caesar Augusta the lager/IPA hybrid from Williams Bros. Their Joker IPA is one of my favourite off the shelf supermarket bottled beers
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Dinsdale Piranha wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:42 amStaropramen is now brewed under license by Marstons - I actually think they are doing a decent job of it and I have a bottle occasionally at home. It's reasonably priced too. Pilsener Urquell has also had a return to form recently after a few years where I think the quality dropped a bit. Urquell is more bitter which is more to my taste.Tichtheid wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:55 pmI’m not keen or Staropramen myself, but I like Pilsner Urquell.Biffer wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:37 pm Weather is getting warmer so I turn more to lager. Pilsner Urquell, Staropramen are the bigger names I like, can’t stand Stella or most Belgian beers. Any suggestions?
I also like Czech Budvar. Harviestoun Schiehallion is good, there are a couple of good Orkney lagers too
I wouldn't go near most of the big name brands willingly.
You've just rung a bell there, Marston's used to do a brew for Tescos called Revisionist, I loved it, but I haven't seen it for ages.
I must check out what else they are doing.
It's a weird one really. Some of their brews are ok, particularly the dark beers and stouts. Though if I go to one of their pubs I invariably choose from the guest list or can/bottle fridge!Caley_Red wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:36 am Black Isle Blonde and Arran Blonde where my favoured tipples back homes, London was Spitfire and Doombar, Australia's beer is absolute piss by comparison although a couple of okay ones are: 4 Pines Pacific and Stone & Wood.
Another note, I find Brewdog's success utterly perplexing (success of brand, maybe?): their products are uniformly garbage and very expensive- anyone keen on them?
Yeah, those are both excellent. Caesar is great on a sunny afternoon.Slick wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:00 amI've enjoyed a couple of Leith Lagers from Pilot during this lockdown.Biffer wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:47 amYeah Schiehallion is good. And is a lager.Tichtheid wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:55 pm
I’m not keen or Staropramen myself, but I like Pilsner Urquell.
I also like Czech Budvar. Harviestoun Schiehallion is good, there are a couple of good Orkney lagers too
I feel the need to point out to people that Blonde Ales are not lagers.
Quite like Caesar Augusta the lager/IPA hybrid from Williams Bros. Their Joker IPA is one of my favourite off the shelf supermarket bottled beers
They're even better on tap
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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Bunching stella in with most belgian beers is a tad unfair.Biffer wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:37 pm Weather is getting warmer so I turn more to lager. Pilsner Urquell, Staropramen are the bigger names I like, can’t stand Stella or most Belgian beers. Any suggestions?
Re lagers, there's been some decent calls already urquell and budvar are the best of the big names. I can't believe dinsdale didn't mention augustiner helles.
A lot of the smaller breweries are now doing decent lagers - slick mentioned pilot's offering which is good, if you're in Edinburgh try the new barns lager.
Lost and grounded are probably the big craft lager name in the uk, but are pricey.
Have a look at your local breweries and see what's available if you're interested in unusual options. Where do you live?
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Pretty much this. They can brew decent beer, but it tends to be only the niche ones they put any thought into nowadays. Punk was originally a game changer, but they fucked with it ages ago. Their lager and alcohol free beers are actually surprisingly good.SaintK wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:45 amIt's a weird one really. Some of their brews are ok, particularly the dark beers and stouts. Though if I go to one of their pubs I invariably choose from the guest list or can/bottle fridge!Caley_Red wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:36 am Black Isle Blonde and Arran Blonde where my favoured tipples back homes, London was Spitfire and Doombar, Australia's beer is absolute piss by comparison although a couple of okay ones are: 4 Pines Pacific and Stone & Wood.
Another note, I find Brewdog's success utterly perplexing (success of brand, maybe?): their products are uniformly garbage and very expensive- anyone keen on them?
They've marketed and expanded very aggressively (some would say too aggressively) and have crossed into mainstream quite effectively. you're in oz, so don't know the price point there, but I wouldn't say they're very expensive over here (but I'm fairly price insensitive when it comes to beers)
There are some pretty decent smaller breweries in oz, although you're way behind uk, us and nz, the aussie lot could help more
I quite like their elvis juice and don't mind the punk. I'd rather get something from 71 brewing if I'm shopping "local". My mates like the bar but I'd rather go somewhere else.Caley_Red wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:36 am Black Isle Blonde and Arran Blonde where my favoured tipples back homes, London was Spitfire and Doombar, Australia's beer is absolute piss by comparison although a couple of okay ones are: 4 Pines Pacific and Stone & Wood.
Another note, I find Brewdog's success utterly perplexing (success of brand, maybe?): their products are uniformly garbage and very expensive- anyone keen on them?
I wasn't grouping them together, I should have used an Oxford comma. I don't like either.Happyhooker wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:58 amBunching stella in with most belgian beers is a tad unfair.Biffer wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:37 pm Weather is getting warmer so I turn more to lager. Pilsner Urquell, Staropramen are the bigger names I like, can’t stand Stella or most Belgian beers. Any suggestions?
Re lagers, there's been some decent calls already urquell and budvar are the best of the big names. I can't believe dinsdale didn't mention augustiner helles.
A lot of the smaller breweries are now doing decent lagers - slick mentioned pilot's offering which is good, if you're in Edinburgh try the new barns lager.
Lost and grounded are probably the big craft lager name in the uk, but are pricey.
Have a look at your local breweries and see what's available if you're interested in unusual options. Where do you live?
I'm in Edinburgh, I buy from Stewart Brewing a lot, have had stuff delivered and get growlers from the tap room. Their lager is decent basic lager, and they've also got First World Problems which is ok. Some of their IPAs are pretty good summer beers as well tbh. I'm only five minutes away from Edinburgh Beer Factory as well, their Paolazzi (sp?) is decent. Had a few Pilot beers before, good stuff, but haven't tried their lager.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
I tried the Elvis Juice last weekend and really didn’t like it, but I don’t mind Punk at all, especially for an afternoon session at a BBQ or similarJock42 wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:05 pmI quite like their elvis juice and don't mind the punk. I'd rather get something from 71 brewing if I'm shopping "local". My mates like the bar but I'd rather go somewhere else.Caley_Red wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:36 am Black Isle Blonde and Arran Blonde where my favoured tipples back homes, London was Spitfire and Doombar, Australia's beer is absolute piss by comparison although a couple of okay ones are: 4 Pines Pacific and Stone & Wood.
Another note, I find Brewdog's success utterly perplexing (success of brand, maybe?): their products are uniformly garbage and very expensive- anyone keen on them?
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They've reduced the alcohol content from 6 something to 5.2% ish. Haven't tried it since the change.Slick wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:07 pmI tried the Elvis Juice last weekend and really didn’t like it, but I don’t mind Punk at all, especially for an afternoon session at a BBQ or similarJock42 wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:05 pmI quite like their elvis juice and don't mind the punk. I'd rather get something from 71 brewing if I'm shopping "local". My mates like the bar but I'd rather go somewhere else.Caley_Red wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:36 am Black Isle Blonde and Arran Blonde where my favoured tipples back homes, London was Spitfire and Doombar, Australia's beer is absolute piss by comparison although a couple of okay ones are: 4 Pines Pacific and Stone & Wood.
Another note, I find Brewdog's success utterly perplexing (success of brand, maybe?): their products are uniformly garbage and very expensive- anyone keen on them?
I've never really been a fan of their beers, they're a bit too punch-you-in-the-mouth hoppy, rather than having the hops contribute to a flavour. Their alcohol free stuff is a revelation though, Punk AF is a really excellent drink, where you genuinely feel like you're having a beer.Slick wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:07 pmI tried the Elvis Juice last weekend and really didn’t like it, but I don’t mind Punk at all, especially for an afternoon session at a BBQ or similarJock42 wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:05 pmI quite like their elvis juice and don't mind the punk. I'd rather get something from 71 brewing if I'm shopping "local". My mates like the bar but I'd rather go somewhere else.Caley_Red wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:36 am Black Isle Blonde and Arran Blonde where my favoured tipples back homes, London was Spitfire and Doombar, Australia's beer is absolute piss by comparison although a couple of okay ones are: 4 Pines Pacific and Stone & Wood.
Another note, I find Brewdog's success utterly perplexing (success of brand, maybe?): their products are uniformly garbage and very expensive- anyone keen on them?
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
Biffer wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:10 pmI've never really been a fan of their beers, they're a bit too punch-you-in-the-mouth hoppy, rather than having the hops contribute to a flavour. Their alcohol free stuff is a revelation though, Punk AF is a really excellent drink, where you genuinely feel like you're having a beer.Slick wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:07 pmI tried the Elvis Juice last weekend and really didn’t like it, but I don’t mind Punk at all, especially for an afternoon session at a BBQ or similarJock42 wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:05 pm
I quite like their elvis juice and don't mind the punk. I'd rather get something from 71 brewing if I'm shopping "local". My mates like the bar but I'd rather go somewhere else.
I've had their Nanny State and thought it was fine.
Having started drinking a fair bit of alcohol free beer in the last few months I think it’s piss to be honest. Actually, that’s a bit unfair, it’s not a bad big U.K. brewery one but there are some amazing German/Dutch/Swedish ones out thereBiffer wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:10 pmI've never really been a fan of their beers, they're a bit too punch-you-in-the-mouth hoppy, rather than having the hops contribute to a flavour. Their alcohol free stuff is a revelation though, Punk AF is a really excellent drink, where you genuinely feel like you're having a beer.Slick wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:07 pmI tried the Elvis Juice last weekend and really didn’t like it, but I don’t mind Punk at all, especially for an afternoon session at a BBQ or similarJock42 wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:05 pm
I quite like their elvis juice and don't mind the punk. I'd rather get something from 71 brewing if I'm shopping "local". My mates like the bar but I'd rather go somewhere else.
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I am probably heading to Pressure Drop tomorrow morning. Given the hilarious disaster at Beavertown's anniversary event a few years back I am not counting on getting in but hey, it's worth a try. If successful that will be 6 days a row in a pub or brewery 

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I may well see you there. What sort of time?There are other options nearby if it's difficult.Dinsdale Piranha wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:16 pm I am probably heading to Pressure Drop tomorrow morning. Given the hilarious disaster at Beavertown's anniversary event a few years back I am not counting on getting in but hey, it's worth a try. If successful that will be 6 days a row in a pub or brewery![]()
If you have trouble getting in, I could probably sort it if we get a proper means of communication
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Assuming I don't overdo it tonight then I'm heading up with a mate and we aim to be there 11am ish - well before it opens.Happyhooker wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:24 pmI may well see you there. What sort of time?There are other options nearby if it's difficult.Dinsdale Piranha wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:16 pm I am probably heading to Pressure Drop tomorrow morning. Given the hilarious disaster at Beavertown's anniversary event a few years back I am not counting on getting in but hey, it's worth a try. If successful that will be 6 days a row in a pub or brewery![]()
If you have trouble getting in, I could probably sort it if we get a proper means of communication
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Bloody hell, keen. I think you'll be fineDinsdale Piranha wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:23 pmAssuming I don't overdo it tonight then I'm heading up with a mate and we aim to be there 11am ish - well before it opens.Happyhooker wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:24 pmI may well see you there. What sort of time?There are other options nearby if it's difficult.Dinsdale Piranha wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:16 pm I am probably heading to Pressure Drop tomorrow morning. Given the hilarious disaster at Beavertown's anniversary event a few years back I am not counting on getting in but hey, it's worth a try. If successful that will be 6 days a row in a pub or brewery![]()
If you have trouble getting in, I could probably sort it if we get a proper means of communication
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Can't let that happen again!Jock42 wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 2:11 pm Need to have a word with ourselves troops. This thread was on page 3!!
Currently drinking Hop Squad by Fierce Beer. Quite nice, smooth and not too hoppy.
I had a tin of the Boxcar/Duration collab this week. It's an excellent NEIPA but I prefer westies. There's a North/Duration Westie collab that I will try but on the downside it's 8 quid a tin!.
Another 40 bottles of Augustiner arrived during the week. Should keep me going for a few weeks.
I think I'll pop up to Boxcar next weekend if the weather permits.
Ordered a mixed case of 6 of the Duration collabs including the Saison they have brewed with VerdantDinsdale Piranha wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 2:39 pmCan't let that happen again!Jock42 wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 2:11 pm Need to have a word with ourselves troops. This thread was on page 3!!
Currently drinking Hop Squad by Fierce Beer. Quite nice, smooth and not too hoppy.
Another 40 bottles of Augustiner arrived during the week. Should keep me going for a few weeks.I had a tin of the Boxcar/Duration collab this week. It's an excellent NEIPA but I prefer westies. There's a North/Duration Westie collab that I will try but on the downside it's 8 quid a tin!.
I think I'll pop up to Boxcar next weekend if the weather permits.
Looking forward to trying all three
Brewdog has great marketing - that whole rebellious anti-establishment schtick and all the gimmicky brews.Caley_Red wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:36 am Black Isle Blonde and Arran Blonde where my favoured tipples back homes, London was Spitfire and Doombar, Australia's beer is absolute piss by comparison although a couple of okay ones are: 4 Pines Pacific and Stone & Wood.
Another note, I find Brewdog's success utterly perplexing (success of brand, maybe?): their products are uniformly garbage and very expensive- anyone keen on them?
Even back when I lived in Scotland (pre 2014) there were loads of craft breweries making consistently better beer than Brewdog.
French cider is made with apples, that helps a lot compared to the average alcoholic lemonade found in the UK and Ireland. I knew of only 1 small cider producer in Dublin area that was also making fine vinegar.
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Nico from orbit is a fantastic kolsch lager if that's your sort of thing
Had that collab DIPA yesterday. I though it was excellent. Clean as a whistle with a slight tropical background, not too boozy for an 8% ABV and a really good bitterness Very pleased I bought 4 of themDinsdale Piranha wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 2:39 pmCan't let that happen again!Jock42 wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 2:11 pm Need to have a word with ourselves troops. This thread was on page 3!!
Currently drinking Hop Squad by Fierce Beer. Quite nice, smooth and not too hoppy.
I had a tin of the Boxcar/Duration collab this week. It's an excellent NEIPA but I prefer westies. There's a North/Duration Westie collab that I will try but on the downside it's 8 quid a tin!.
Another 40 bottles of Augustiner arrived during the week. Should keep me going for a few weeks.
I think I'll pop up to Boxcar next weekend if the weather permits.

Going to try the Duration/Verdant collab Saison tonight. If it does what it says on the bottle then that should be good as well!
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Funnily enough, so did I! I thought it was excellent, but not 8 quid excellent (OK, I get a passable discount on that) My go to IPA from them is Dripping Pitch - 6.7% West Coast IPA, although they are out of it currently. I also think their Turtles pale ale has actually got better in the recent batches and that's from a very decent starting point.SaintK wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 4:27 pmHad that collab DIPA yesterday. I though it was excellent. Clean as a whistle with a slight tropical background, not too boozy for an 8% ABV and a really good bitterness Very pleased I bought 4 of themDinsdale Piranha wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 2:39 pmCan't let that happen again!Jock42 wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 2:11 pm Need to have a word with ourselves troops. This thread was on page 3!!
Currently drinking Hop Squad by Fierce Beer. Quite nice, smooth and not too hoppy.
I had a tin of the Boxcar/Duration collab this week. It's an excellent NEIPA but I prefer westies. There's a North/Duration Westie collab that I will try but on the downside it's 8 quid a tin!.
Another 40 bottles of Augustiner arrived during the week. Should keep me going for a few weeks.
I think I'll pop up to Boxcar next weekend if the weather permits.![]()
Going to try the Duration/Verdant collab Saison tonight. If it does what it says on the bottle then that should be good as well!
A friend's daughter has just started working at North so next time I'm up that way I'll see if I can pick up some discounted North beers.