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Posted: **Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:49 am**

OomStruisbaai wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 5:09 am Luckily he won't play in the three ODI's next up.

Our only chance is if they prepare green mambas.

Sipamla 2.4 overs 45 runs.
Shamsi 4 overs 57 runs.

Posted: **Wed Dec 02, 2020 7:24 am**

handyman wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:49 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 5:09 am Luckily he won't play in the three ODI's next up.

Our only chance is if they prepare green mambas.
Sipamla 2.4 overs 45 runs.
Shamsi 4 overs 57 runs.

Sipamla is pretty green: I wouldn't consign him to the scrapheap just yet.

He was very disappointing, though.

After he was no-balled for his first ball, he was unable to get back into his rhythm and Butler and Malan made sure he never got the chance to settle.

I thought de Kock's captaincy was poor, he fluffed a simple runout and he dropped a catch off Sipamla. The commentary didn't mention it but Butler edged a delivery which went to de Kock's midriff and he dropped it. On another day, the catch would have been taken and Sipamla may have had his confidence return.

Posted: **Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:16 am**

Our bowlers have half the change-up deliveries that the Poms do. We just aren't using the slower ball on these pitches enough/properly. Never mind we're spraying all over like a firehose.

Who's the bowling coach?

Posted: **Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:08 am**

Sandstorm wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:16 am Our bowlers have half the change-up deliveries that the Poms do. We just aren't using the slower ball on these pitches enough/properly. Never mind we're spraying all over like a firehose.

Who's the bowling coach?

I'm not even sure who the bowling coach is, but we're sitting with Allan Donald in South Africa and we are not using him.

Posted: **Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:27 am**

Charl Langeveldt is the bowling coach, and, although Donald was a fantastic bowler, he did tend to rely more on express pace. Donald was the bowling coach prior to Langeveldt.

I think we have the bowlers. I just think we approached the series with the wrong mentality.

I'm not sure about Shamzi: he seemed unusually timid and hesitant to take any risks, which just meant that he became predictable.

Posted: **Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:32 am**

handyman wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:08 am
Sandstorm wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:16 am Our bowlers have half the change-up deliveries that the Poms do. We just aren't using the slower ball on these pitches enough/properly. Never mind we're spraying all over like a firehose.

Who's the bowling coach?
I'm not even sure who the bowling coach is, but we're sitting with Allan Donald in South Africa and we are not using him.

We need a bowling coach who has recently coached T20 to guide our guys. Donald or Langeveldt have no idea how to take off pace.

Christ, I'd even bring Chris Morris back....he's at least got some variety in pace when he sprays it down the leg side!

Posted: **Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:41 am**

Sandstorm wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:32 am
handyman wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:08 am
Sandstorm wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:16 am Our bowlers have half the change-up deliveries that the Poms do. We just aren't using the slower ball on these pitches enough/properly. Never mind we're spraying all over like a firehose.

Who's the bowling coach?
I'm not even sure who the bowling coach is, but we're sitting with Allan Donald in South Africa and we are not using him.
We need a bowling coach who has recently coached T20 to guide our guys. Donald or Langeveldt have no idea how to take off pace.

Christ, I'd even bring Chris Morris back....he's at least got some variety in pace when he sprays it down the leg side!

I have a bit of a love/hate thing with Morris. When he is on, he bowls fast, takes wickets and really hits a long ball. However, when he's off, the crowd (pre-Covid) were in real danger. As you say, that leg stump deliveries is a real killer, but at least he's trying to take wickets, the only way to stop a team scoring.

Posted: **Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:13 pm**

We should give credit to England. They are on a high with their player cycle. Still improving since winning the ODI World Cup. We only start now from scratch.

Our cricket need AB de Villiers urgently. His experience is vital to us.

Posted: **Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:17 pm**

OomStruisbaai wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:13 pm We should give credit to England. They are on a high with their player cycle. Still improving since winning the ODI World Cup. We only start now from scratch.

Our cricket need AB de Villiers urgently. His experience is vital to us.

True, England have a great team now, if Root cannot make it into a team then you're pretty much sorted.

AB will help, but our bowlers need to step up to the plate.

We also need a proper captain, not one that sulks behind the stumps.

Posted: **Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:02 pm**

handyman wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:41 am at least he's trying to take wickets, the only way to stop a team scoring.

Now this is not true! We never lost more than 6 wickets in each match (only 3 in CT in 1st game), but England restricted us in the middle overs with good deliveries and excellent fielding.

Posted: **Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:14 pm**

Sandstorm wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:32 am
handyman wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:08 am
Sandstorm wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:16 am Our bowlers have half the change-up deliveries that the Poms do. We just aren't using the slower ball on these pitches enough/properly. Never mind we're spraying all over like a firehose.

Who's the bowling coach?
I'm not even sure who the bowling coach is, but we're sitting with Allan Donald in South Africa and we are not using him.
We need a bowling coach who has recently coached T20 to guide our guys. Donald or Langeveldt have no idea how to take off pace.

Christ, I'd even bring Chris Morris back....he's at least got some variety in pace when he sprays it down the leg side!

I beg to differ.

Langeveldt was well known for his crafty bowling.

Posted: **Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:15 pm**

Sandstorm wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:02 pm
handyman wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:41 am at least he's trying to take wickets, the only way to stop a team scoring.
Now this is not true! We never lost more than 6 wickets in each match (only 3 in CT in 1st game), but England restricted us in the middle overs with good deliveries and excellent fielding.

I have a theory for this. We know we have a long tail, so we had to protect our wickets. If we lose early wickets, we are in kak street because we don't bat as deep as other teams. England the best in this department in the world.

Posted: **Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:48 pm**

handyman wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:15 pm
Sandstorm wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:02 pm
handyman wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:41 am at least he's trying to take wickets, the only way to stop a team scoring.
Now this is not true! We never lost more than 6 wickets in each match (only 3 in CT in 1st game), but England restricted us in the middle overs with good deliveries and excellent fielding.
I have a theory for this. We know we have a long tail, so we had to protect our wickets. If we lose early wickets, we are in kak street because we don't bat as deep as other teams. England the best in this department in the world.

England's strategy for a few years now (both in T20 and ODI) has been to go hard from the start and keep going hard knowing that the absurd depth of batting will dig them out of a hole more often than not. Sometimes it fails spectacularly, but usually it is enough (and it is almost always entertaining).

Posted: **Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:44 am**

SA's new test captain to be announced soon --> https://www.news24.com/sport/cricket/pr ... g-20201203

Elgar, Bavuma, Van der Dussen, Markram and Maharaj the front runners.

For me, it's between Bavuma and Elgar.

Posted: **Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:11 am**

First ODI postponed after a DA player tests positive

Posted: **Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:22 am**

Saint wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:11 am First ODI postponed after a DA player tests positive

You know who he votes for?

Posted: **Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:27 am**

Shame.

Posted: **Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:57 am**

FFS. Going to have to do some work now

Posted: **Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:06 pm**

Interesting thing happened in the Indian/Aus game (for which I can't find a thread).

Jadeja was substituted for Chahal after Jadeja had batted in the first innings (and scored an unbeaten 44 off 23 deliveries).

Jadeja was then swapped out for Chahal (as a like-for-like replacement after Jadeja was supposedly concussed) who then ran through the Aussies with 3 for 25 off his 4 overs.

I'm reminded of witnessing Javed Miandad at Headingly some years back, when the rather portly batsman spent the English Innings' with his feet up and some lightning-fast superfielder took his place until the last couple of wickets. In those days, the sub was not allowed to bowl, though.

I'm not saying that Jadeja wasn't genuinely concussed, but it does seem a little suspicious, at best a little testing of the rules and seeing what you can get away with.

Posted: **Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:09 pm**

Rinkals wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:06 pm Interesting thing happened in the Indian/Aus game (for which I can't find a thread).

Jadeja was substituted for Chahal after Jadeja had batted in the first innings (and scored an unbeaten 44 off 23 deliveries).

Jadeja was then swapped out for Chahal (as a like-for-like replacement after Jadeja was supposedly concussed) who then ran through the Aussies with 3 for 25 off his 4 overs.

I'm reminded of witnessing Javed Miandad at Headingly some years back, when the rather portly batsman spent the English Innings' with his feet up and some lightning-fast superfielder took his place until the last couple of wickets. In those days, the sub was not allowed to bowl, though.

I'm not saying that Jadeja wasn't genuinely concussed, but it does seem a little suspicious, at best a little testing of the rules and seeing what you can get away with.

Yeah. That’s “like for like”.

Posted: **Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:52 pm**

ScarfaceClaw wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:09 pm
Rinkals wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:06 pm Interesting thing happened in the Indian/Aus game (for which I can't find a thread).

Jadeja was substituted for Chahal after Jadeja had batted in the first innings (and scored an unbeaten 44 off 23 deliveries).

Jadeja was then swapped out for Chahal (as a like-for-like replacement after Jadeja was supposedly concussed) who then ran through the Aussies with 3 for 25 off his 4 overs.

I'm reminded of witnessing Javed Miandad at Headingly some years back, when the rather portly batsman spent the English Innings' with his feet up and some lightning-fast superfielder took his place until the last couple of wickets. In those days, the sub was not allowed to bowl, though.

I'm not saying that Jadeja wasn't genuinely concussed, but it does seem a little suspicious, at best a little testing of the rules and seeing what you can get away with.
Yeah. That’s “like for like”.

Just when I thought it was safe to come back on here, Rinkhals slam dunks with the most moronic cricket take in my entire decade of forum life

Posted: **Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:53 pm**

ScarfaceClaw wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:09 pm
Rinkals wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:06 pm Interesting thing happened in the Indian/Aus game (for which I can't find a thread).

Jadeja was substituted for Chahal after Jadeja had batted in the first innings (and scored an unbeaten 44 off 23 deliveries).

Jadeja was then swapped out for Chahal (as a like-for-like replacement after Jadeja was supposedly concussed) who then ran through the Aussies with 3 for 25 off his 4 overs.

I'm reminded of witnessing Javed Miandad at Headingly some years back, when the rather portly batsman spent the English Innings' with his feet up and some lightning-fast superfielder took his place until the last couple of wickets. In those days, the sub was not allowed to bowl, though.

I'm not saying that Jadeja wasn't genuinely concussed, but it does seem a little suspicious, at best a little testing of the rules and seeing what you can get away with.
Yeah. That’s “like for like”.

Both are spinners.

Posted: **Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:54 pm**

Big Nipper wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:52 pm
ScarfaceClaw wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:09 pm
Rinkals wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:06 pm Interesting thing happened in the Indian/Aus game (for which I can't find a thread).

Jadeja was substituted for Chahal after Jadeja had batted in the first innings (and scored an unbeaten 44 off 23 deliveries).

Jadeja was then swapped out for Chahal (as a like-for-like replacement after Jadeja was supposedly concussed) who then ran through the Aussies with 3 for 25 off his 4 overs.

I'm reminded of witnessing Javed Miandad at Headingly some years back, when the rather portly batsman spent the English Innings' with his feet up and some lightning-fast superfielder took his place until the last couple of wickets. In those days, the sub was not allowed to bowl, though.

I'm not saying that Jadeja wasn't genuinely concussed, but it does seem a little suspicious, at best a little testing of the rules and seeing what you can get away with.
Yeah. That’s “like for like”.
Just when I thought it was safe to come back on here, Rinkhals slam dunks with the most moronic cricket take in my entire decade of forum life

Do you have an opinion on the incident?

Posted: **Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:02 pm**

Rinkals wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:54 pm
Big Nipper wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:52 pm
ScarfaceClaw wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:09 pm

Yeah. That’s “like for like”.
Just when I thought it was safe to come back on here, Rinkhals slam dunks with the most moronic cricket take in my entire decade of forum life
Do you have an opinion on the incident?

Yes, Jadeja was sent for a concussion test. Chahal subbed him, per the rules

Case closed

Posted: **Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:23 pm**

Even so, it still bears looking at.

Replacing Jadeja with Chahal, while on paper being like-for-like, is clearly no such thing: Jadeja is ten times the batsman that Chahal is and Chahal is ten times the spinner.

I don't think there is any question that the replacement effectively changed the outcome of a low scoring game (you are welcome to disagree, though), and that must run counter to the spirit of the rule, if not it's letter.

There is also the question of whether Jedaja was actually concussed as it was not deemed to merit an on-field test. The fact that Jadeja had a hamstring injury also complicates things a little as he probably wouldn't have been able to bowl.

I'm not saying that India haven't played to the rules; just that it seems they have rather taken advantage.

Posted: **Fri Dec 04, 2020 5:27 pm**

They were lucky to even have a like-for-like replacement: all they need to do was replace a spinning option with a spinning option. No-one could rightly claim Jadeja isn't someone who's a regular spinner. His record is pretty good, too, he's a live option in all formats of the game, and he has a much better economy rate than Chahal in T20s.

Posted: **Fri Dec 04, 2020 6:17 pm**

Rinkals wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:23 pm There is also the question of whether Jedaja was actually concussed as it was not deemed to merit an on-field test. The fact that Jadeja had a hamstring injury also complicates things a little as he probably wouldn't have been able to bowl..

An assessment has to happen during or at the end of the over. Jadeja was hit in the last over of the innings so the assessment at the end of the over happened off the field.

Posted: **Sun Dec 06, 2020 7:55 am**

Match today called off due to covid
Big doubt over the remaining 2 matches.

Posted: **Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:44 am**

We are lucky to have sport. Must appreciate every match.

Posted: **Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:46 am**

Longshanks wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 7:55 am Match today called off due to covid
Big doubt over the remaining 2 matches.

Bug doubt over the hotel it seems. Covid security appears not to be taken seriously

Posted: **Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:00 am**

Two members of the touring party have now tested positive. Can't see the series being played at all now

Posted: **Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:48 am**

Sky Sports News ticker stating that 2 members of hotel staff where both teams were staying have tested positive.

and 2 members of Eng touring party return 'unconfirmed' positive results too.

Posted: **Sun Dec 06, 2020 5:59 pm**

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/202 ... otel-live/

Edit: ignore this I’d not read it properly

Posted: **Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:05 pm**

Tomorrow's match postponed but the series still not called off

Posted: **Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:52 pm**

Series cancelled, England on their way home.

Posted: **Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:56 pm**

JM2K6 wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:52 pm Series cancelled, England on their way home.

Rumours that hotel staff who were quarantined, had family members coming to the hotel against the rules to visit them on the low-down.

Posted: **Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:58 pm**

Sandstorm wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:56 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:52 pm Series cancelled, England on their way home.
Rumours that hotel staff who were quarantined, had family members coming to the hotel against the rules to visit them on the low-down.

Idiots
People can be so selfish at times. Going to cost SA cricket that's for sure.

Posted: **Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:25 pm**

How humiliating for South African cricket

Apparently Cricket Australia considering boycotting their upcoming tour because of this farce. What a debacle.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/bu ... 56lc6.html

Posted: **Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:29 pm**

Carter's Choice wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:25 pm How humiliating for South African cricket

Apparently Cricket Australia considering boycotting their upcoming tour because of this farce. What a debacle.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/bu ... 56lc6.html

That was going to be my very next question, whether following tours are cancelled. Not good.

Posted: **Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:38 pm**

Carter's Choice wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:25 pm How humiliating for South African cricket

Apparently Cricket Australia considering boycotting their upcoming tour because of this farce. What a debacle.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/bu ... 56lc6.html

Didn't both NZ and Australia have similar distancing breaches in their own Covid-safe hotels? You can't expect these people to do the right thing unfortunately.

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