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Re: Black Caps in India ---> Ashes in Australia

Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 8:53 am
by Kiwias
Am I the only person in whom Mitchell inspires absolutely no confidence?

Re: Black Caps in India

Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 9:16 am
by Ymx
Lobby wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 8:22 am
Ymx wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 8:16 am There’s plenty of time left to get the 528 runs.
You need 540 to win, so that probably a better target to aim at.
That’s a better strategy

Re: Black Caps in India

Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 9:17 am
by Ymx
What’s the forecast?

Any chance of a natural disaster?

Re: Black Caps in India

Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 9:40 am
by Kiwias
Gumboot wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 8:24 am Patel picks up 14 wickets in all. What an effort.
Best ever bowling performance against India — not a bad entry on his resume.

Re: Black Caps in India

Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 9:56 am
by Rinkals
I saw there was a debate about why India didn't enforce the follow on, but I'd say that the Indian batsmen have a higher regard for their batting figures than to risk batting last.

Likewise, the Indian bowlers don't want to have to work too hard for their five-fers.

Re: Black Caps in India

Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:04 am
by JM2K6
Or, more likely, India have a couple of senior batsman who really need the time in the middle

Re: Black Caps in India

Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:15 am
by Kiwias
That was a terrible shot by Taylor in the context of the game.

Re: Black Caps in India

Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:36 am
by Rinkals
JM2K6 wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:04 am Or, more likely, India have a couple of senior batsman who really need the time in the middle
Same difference.

Re: Black Caps in India

Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:02 am
by JM2K6
Rinkals wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:36 am
JM2K6 wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:04 am Or, more likely, India have a couple of senior batsman who really need the time in the middle
Same difference.
Plus India were well aware that the pitch was nowhere near as bad as the Kiwi collapse suggested.

Re: Black Caps in India

Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:18 am
by JM2K6
Is slogging the way to go here? That seemed a very rash wicket.

Re: Black Caps in India

Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:41 am
by Kiwias
JM2K6 wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:18 am Is slogging the way to go here? That seemed a very rash wicket.
Not as rash as the run out. Mitchell had been batting very well till that wild swing

Re: Black Caps in India

Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:01 pm
by Ymx
Just need 400 runs to take the series.

Practically a walk in from here.

Re: Black Caps in India

Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 8:36 pm
by Enzedder
Just watching a replay of the last 2 hours now.
These dismissals are beyond thick.

What happened to protecting your wicket?

Re: Black Caps in India

Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:24 pm
by Kiwias
Enzedder wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 8:36 pm Just watching a replay of the last 2 hours now.
These dismissals are beyond thick.

What happened to protecting your wicket?
That is probably the most disappointing aspect of the test.

Re: Black Caps in India

Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:59 am
by Gumboot
Can we survive until Lunch? The first drinks break?

Re: Black Caps in India

Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:13 am
by Kiwias
Gumboot wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:59 am Can we survive until Lunch? The first drinks break?
If we are lucky

Re: Black Caps in India

Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:30 am
by Kiwias
Jamieson seems to have lost all confidence in his batting.

Re: Black Caps in India

Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:32 am
by Gumboot
Wonder if Patel will get MoM?

Re: Black Caps in India

Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:32 am
by Kiwias
Whereas none of us ever had any confidence in Southee's batting.

Re: Black Caps in India

Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:33 am
by Kiwias
Gumboot wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:32 am Wonder if Patel will get MoM?
I think he should. Only the third time in test history.

Re: Black Caps in India

Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:39 am
by Kiwias
Gumboot wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:59 am Can we survive until Lunch? The first drinks break?
Very close now.

Re: Black Caps in India

Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:45 am
by Kiwias
Five wickets in 45 minutes. FFS

Re: Black Caps in India

Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:47 am
by Enzedder
Good bowling on a helpful pitch - batters know they won't make it so don't fight hard.

372 runs - demolished

Re: Black Caps in India

Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:47 am
by Gumboot
Congrats, India. Dominated pretty much every session of the series after winning both tosses.

At least we can take Ajaz Patel's remarkable feat out of the wreckage.

Re: Black Caps in India

Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:48 am
by Kiwias
At least Patel did not lose his wicket in this test.

Re: Black Caps in India

Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:49 am
by Kiwias
Partnerships for the last four wickets of 3, 0, 2, and 0.

Re: Black Caps in India

Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:22 am
by Gumboot
Agarwal gets MoM.

ffs :lol:

Re: Black Caps in India

Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 6:44 am
by Kiwias
Gumboot wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:22 am Agarwal gets MoM.

ffs :lol:
That was a bloody joke.

Re: Black Caps in India

Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:13 am
by Thor Sedan
Thank god that tour is over.

I know that it helped put a little money into the NZ coffers - but really - all it did was give the Indian batters and bowlers a chance to improve their stats. NZ looked absolutely done in. I expect us to struggle in Indian conditions - but this was 1990's NZ cricket stylee. 3 months in bio-bubbles and finishing in India. If it wasn't about the money then I don't really understand what NZ cricket was hoping to get out of this tour.

And what of Rosco - should he be in this set up anymore? Of all the players in this test - he should have been the freshest. He looked horribly out of touch. Is he getting a sympathy place in the team?

Re: Black Caps in India

Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:24 am
by Grandpa
Thor Sedan wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:13 am Thank god that tour is over.

I know that it helped put a little money into the NZ coffers - but really - all it did was give the Indian batters and bowlers a chance to improve their stats. NZ looked absolutely done in. I expect us to struggle in Indian conditions - but this was 1990's NZ cricket stylee. 3 months in bio-bubbles and finishing in India. If it wasn't about the money then I don't really understand what NZ cricket was hoping to get out of this tour.

And what of Rosco - should he be in this set up anymore? Of all the players in this test - he should have been the freshest. He looked horribly out of touch. Is he getting a sympathy place in the team?
Similar sympathy for what India went through in England... can't be easy that long in a foreign country in a bubble...

Re: Black Caps in India

Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 11:05 am
by JM2K6
If nothing else it's a good learning experience for a number of players, and while it wasn't close it still probably won't be as one-sided as the Ashes.

Re: Black Caps in India

Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:28 pm
by Thor Sedan
JM2K6 wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 11:05 am If nothing else it's a good learning experience for a number of players, and while it wasn't close it still probably won't be as one-sided as the Ashes.
England to dominate?

Re: Black Caps in India

Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:53 pm
by JM2K6
Thor Sedan wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:28 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 11:05 am If nothing else it's a good learning experience for a number of players, and while it wasn't close it still probably won't be as one-sided as the Ashes.
England to dominate?
The only thing England are going to dominate is chair tennis in the hotel with all the spare time they'll have from being rolled in under 3 days each time

Re: Black Caps in India

Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:03 pm
by Thor Sedan
JM2K6 wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:53 pm
Thor Sedan wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:28 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 11:05 am If nothing else it's a good learning experience for a number of players, and while it wasn't close it still probably won't be as one-sided as the Ashes.
England to dominate?
The only thing England are going to dominate is chair tennis in the hotel with all the spare time they'll have from being rolled in under 3 days each time
But....but.....Stokes.

Re: Black Caps in India

Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:27 pm
by JM2K6
Thor Sedan wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:03 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:53 pm
Thor Sedan wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:28 pm

England to dominate?
The only thing England are going to dominate is chair tennis in the hotel with all the spare time they'll have from being rolled in under 3 days each time
But....but.....Stokes.
OK fine

Stokes will physically dominate some poor bastard Aussie spectator who says the wrong thing (anything) at the wrong time (any time)

Re: Black Caps in India

Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:39 pm
by Thor Sedan
JM2K6 wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:27 pm
Thor Sedan wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:03 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:53 pm

The only thing England are going to dominate is chair tennis in the hotel with all the spare time they'll have from being rolled in under 3 days each time
But....but.....Stokes.
OK fine

Stokes will physically dominate some poor bastard Aussie spectator who says the wrong thing (anything) at the wrong time (any time)
:lol:

Genuinely unsure as to how this series will go. I think if Archer was playing - then the scales would tip in England's favour. Going to be a good one I reckon.

Re: Black Caps in India

Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:41 pm
by JM2K6
Thor Sedan wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:39 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:27 pm
Thor Sedan wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:03 pm

But....but.....Stokes.
OK fine

Stokes will physically dominate some poor bastard Aussie spectator who says the wrong thing (anything) at the wrong time (any time)
:lol:

Genuinely unsure as to how this series will go. I think if Archer was playing - then the scales would tip in England's favour. Going to be a good one I reckon.
Really? Genuinely, I'm shocked - England are a dog-shit Test team with a dreadful batting lineup, playing away in the one place our quality bowlers have awful records. I don't doubt that Broad, Anderson, Woakes, and Stokes will give it their all (not sure who else is fit - Ollie Robinson?) but surely the smart money is on us getting rolled by the Aussie attack time and time again.

Re: Black Caps in India

Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:52 pm
by Thor Sedan
JM2K6 wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:41 pm
Thor Sedan wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:39 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:27 pm

OK fine

Stokes will physically dominate some poor bastard Aussie spectator who says the wrong thing (anything) at the wrong time (any time)
:lol:

Genuinely unsure as to how this series will go. I think if Archer was playing - then the scales would tip in England's favour. Going to be a good one I reckon.
Really? Genuinely, I'm shocked - England are a dog-shit Test team with a dreadful batting lineup, playing away in the one place our quality bowlers have awful records. I don't doubt that Broad, Anderson, Woakes, and Stokes will give it their all (not sure who else is fit - Ollie Robinson?) but surely the smart money is on us getting rolled by the Aussie attack time and time again.
I don't know man. England are a different beast in the Ashes (regardless of results). Jimmy and Broad will be snarling beasts in what will likely be their last Ashes down under.

Understand that I am basing this on nothing other than the feeling I have that England are going to be up for this. They have match winners - and I suspect that the Aussie dressing room isn't the most cohesive place on earth.

Looking forward to it though.

Re: Black Caps in India

Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:16 pm
by JM2K6
Thor Sedan wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:52 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:41 pm
Thor Sedan wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:39 pm

:lol:

Genuinely unsure as to how this series will go. I think if Archer was playing - then the scales would tip in England's favour. Going to be a good one I reckon.
Really? Genuinely, I'm shocked - England are a dog-shit Test team with a dreadful batting lineup, playing away in the one place our quality bowlers have awful records. I don't doubt that Broad, Anderson, Woakes, and Stokes will give it their all (not sure who else is fit - Ollie Robinson?) but surely the smart money is on us getting rolled by the Aussie attack time and time again.
I don't know man. England are a different beast in the Ashes (regardless of results). Jimmy and Broad will be snarling beasts in what will likely be their last Ashes down under.

Understand that I am basing this on nothing other than the feeling I have that England are going to be up for this. They have match winners - and I suspect that the Aussie dressing room isn't the most cohesive place on earth.

Looking forward to it though.
I've seen too many supine pastings in away Ashes to think we're a different beast! Obviously it's far from a vintage Aussie side and they have their own issues, but frankly them losing Paine is a massive upgrade for them and Cummings will be pretty ruthless.

Re: Black Caps in India

Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:38 pm
by Mahoney
Our last 4 Ashes in Australia have been:
5-0
1-3
5-0
4-0

Getting destroyed is the norm, anything else is an outlier.