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Ted. wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:54 am
fishfoodie wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:15 am
Hal Jordan wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:22 pm

McConnell is an absolute stain on democracy, he seems to revel in obstruction for its own sake.
I don't think he'll be figuring in Politics too much longer.

When those pictures of his hands circulated a few weeks ago, they reminded me of my Dad's; when all the Doctors want to do is take more blood, for more tests, & the bottom line is still the bottom line

This sort of thing?



In other news, Trump's Palm Beach neighbours don't want a bar of him.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/ ... -elsewhere

:clap:

I was think more this kind of photo

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fishfoodie wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 3:32 pm
I was think more this kind of photo

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Looking at his hands he's probably on Warfarin for high blood pressure, therefore is at increased risk of death from Covid.
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Lobby wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 1:35 pm
Hal Jordan wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:22 pm
fishfoodie wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:17 pm

Its come to something when Putin recognizes the rightful Presdent of US; before the Senate majority leader.
McConnell is an absolute stain on democracy, he seems to revel in obstruction for its own sake.
Indeed, as several Democrats noted, if there really was a grand conspiracy to rig the elections, the first thing they would have done would have been to get rid of McConnell.
Do we know if anyone has tried putting this argument to His Trumpitude?
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Sandstorm wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 4:13 pm
fishfoodie wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 3:32 pm
I was think more this kind of photo

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Looking at his hands he's probably on Warfarin for high blood pressure, therefore is at increased risk of death from Covid.
I think Warfarin is used to treat thrombosis and other blood clotting conditions, not high blood pressure. Indeed, it can increase blood pressure.
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Yes, it's an anticoagulant. Not sure if it increases blood pressure though. Think the main side effects are potential bleeding, so they often have to apply a warfarin reversal protocol if the patient is undergoing surgery or has a trauma event.
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GogLais wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 4:14 pm
Lobby wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 1:35 pm
Hal Jordan wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:22 pm

McConnell is an absolute stain on democracy, he seems to revel in obstruction for its own sake.
Indeed, as several Democrats noted, if there really was a grand conspiracy to rig the elections, the first thing they would have done would have been to get rid of McConnell.
Do we know if anyone has tried putting this argument to His Trumpitude?
He's already gone off on one about McConnell.

I've said it before, but being elected President was the worst thing ever to happen to Trump. Sure, he's grifted like mad and his rotten family have had their snouts in the trough, but his entire life has been subjected to public scrutiny far beyond anything his monstrous ego can bear, the world has seen him for what he truly is - not a successful businessman and TV star, but a hollow sham built on lies and disgusting behaviour, an enabler of racists and fascists, and with all the morals and restraint of a syphillitic mob boss, lashing out at anyone who dares to question him in the slightest.
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Turns out that Donald's intent to live at Mar a Labour breaks an agreement he signed with Palm Beach that no-one will stay at the resort for more than 21 consecutive days. Even him listing his residency there appears to break that contract.

But hey, it's just another contract he's signed that he's attempting to ignore
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I cannot vouch for it's authenticity. Just saw it on twitts. If legit, this is treasonous surely.
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Has to be fake news. Trump fight?
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Snooze wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:56 pm I cannot vouch for it's authenticity. Just saw it on twitts. If legit, this is treasonous surely.
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Did you take note of the story that technically he cannot go and live at his Mar-A-lago resort, presumably to avoid taxes he changed from being a residential hotel, for him this means so you can't stay more than 7 days in a row nor more than 21 days in a year or something. Obviously Trump is big on law and order even when it applies to him so he'll act accordingly we can assume with confidence
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The Georgia Senate runoff really is big upcoming event, and should probably have its own thread?

Trump's impact on this race will be interesting. I personally think it will be hard to motivate GOP voters to get out en masse to vote having told them for weeks that the whole electoral system is a fraud. Trump's petulant behaviour must also be a turn-off for some GOP voters. Then there is the issue of Trump siphoning GOP donations away from the Senate run, and towards his own re-election PAC. All of these factors must surely be a negative for the GOP Senators? This will be an interesting contest.
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Carter's Choice wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 10:56 pm The Georgia Senate runoff really is big upcoming event, and should probably have its own thread?

Trump's impact on this race will be interesting. I personally think it will be hard to motivate GOP voters to get out en masse to vote having told them for weeks that the whole electoral system is a fraud. Trump's petulant behaviour must also be a turn-off for some GOP voters. Then there is the issue of Trump siphoning GOP donations away from the Senate run, and towards his own re-election PAC. All of these factors must surely be a negative for the GOP Senators? This will be an interesting contest.
The polls, for what they are worth, have both contests neck and neck - Could go either way but odds are against two Democratic wins. Probably depends on which party is best at getting its' voters out.
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fishfoodie wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 3:32 pm
Ted. wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:54 am
fishfoodie wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:15 am

I don't think he'll be figuring in Politics too much longer.

When those pictures of his hands circulated a few weeks ago, they reminded me of my Dad's; when all the Doctors want to do is take more blood, for more tests, & the bottom line is still the bottom line

This sort of thing?



In other news, Trump's Palm Beach neighbours don't want a bar of him.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/ ... -elsewhere

:clap:

I was think more this kind of photo

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:wtf: That deep purple hue can't be healthy.

I did not know that McConnell was a polio survivor.

This from twitter:
Never thought I'd come out feeling like Polio was the victim in your case.
Harsh!
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Ted. wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:26 am :wtf: That deep purple hue can't be healthy.
Just like my mother's partner's hands. He's at death's door in hospital. :sad:
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Saint wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:39 pm Turns out that Donald's intent to live at Mar a Labour breaks an agreement he signed with Palm Beach that no-one will stay at the resort for more than 21 consecutive days. Even him listing his residency there appears to break that contract.

But hey, it's just another contract he's signed that he's attempting to ignore
It's actually 21 days per annum, not more than 7 consecutive days at a time. He also gave up all right to develop the property.
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Gumboot wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:34 am
Ted. wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:26 am :wtf: That deep purple hue can't be healthy.
Just like my mother's partner's hands. He's at death's door in hospital. :sad:
Sorry to learn that, Gumboot.

What is causing it?
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Ted. wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:40 am
Saint wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:39 pm Turns out that Donald's intent to live at Mar a Labour breaks an agreement he signed with Palm Beach that no-one will stay at the resort for more than 21 consecutive days. Even him listing his residency there appears to break that contract.

But hey, it's just another contract he's signed that he's attempting to ignore
It's actually 21 days per annum, not more than 7 consecutive days at a time. He also gave up all right to develop the property.
We both know that he will ignore that contract and live there as long as he likes and probbaly develop it as well.
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Ted. wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:41 am
Gumboot wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:34 am
Ted. wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:26 am :wtf: That deep purple hue can't be healthy.
Just like my mother's partner's hands. He's at death's door in hospital. :sad:
Sorry to learn that, Gumboot.

What is causing it?
Kidney failure. He's been in and out of hospital all year. As has Mum.

Fuck 2020.
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Gumboot wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:43 am
Ted. wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:41 am
Gumboot wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:34 am

Just like my mother's partner's hands. He's at death's door in hospital. :sad:
Sorry to learn that, Gumboot.

What is causing it?
Kidney failure. He's been in and out of hospital all year. As has Mum.

Fuck 2020.
Tough news. I agree with you about 2020.
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Kiwias wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:42 am
Ted. wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:40 am
Saint wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:39 pm Turns out that Donald's intent to live at Mar a Labour breaks an agreement he signed with Palm Beach that no-one will stay at the resort for more than 21 consecutive days. Even him listing his residency there appears to break that contract.

But hey, it's just another contract he's signed that he's attempting to ignore
It's actually 21 days per annum, not more than 7 consecutive days at a time. He also gave up all right to develop the property.
We both know that he will ignore that contract and live there as long as he likes and probbaly develop it as well.
The local Palm Beach residents are not going to take it lying down. They will tie his Trumpness and the country up in law suits for the foreseeable. As the property is a listed historic site, nor can the fat fuck develop to his hearts content. He got a way with a certain amount while he was Pres, but the gloves are quickly coming off.
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Kiwias wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:44 am
Gumboot wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:43 am
Ted. wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:41 am

Sorry to learn that, Gumboot.

What is causing it?
Kidney failure. He's been in and out of hospital all year. As has Mum.

Fuck 2020.
Tough news. I agree with you about 2020.
Ditto.
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Ted. wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 1:57 am
Kiwias wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:42 am
Ted. wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:40 am

It's actually 21 days per annum, not more than 7 consecutive days at a time. He also gave up all right to develop the property.
We both know that he will ignore that contract and live there as long as he likes and probbaly develop it as well.
The local Palm Beach residents are not going to take it lying down. They will tie his Trumpness and the country up in law suits for the foreseeable. As the property is a listed historic site, nor can the fat fuck develop to his hearts content. He got a way with a certain amount while he was Pres, but the gloves are quickly coming off.
I certainly hope he can no longer carry on his business and life with the same total disregard for laws, regulations, and any people in the way that he has shown all his life. GO FUCK HIM, RESIDENTS!!!!!
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Massive lawsuit incoming.
A White House official who fell ill with Covid-19 in September is recovering after three months in the hospital, though he lost his right foot and lower leg in his battle against the virus, according to a friend.

Crede Bailey, the director of the White House security office, was the most severely ill among dozens of Covid-19 cases known to be connected to the White House. Bailey’s family has asked the White House not to publicize his condition, and President Donald Trump has never publicly acknowledged his illness.

Bailey’s friends have raised more than $30,000 for his rehabilitation through a GoFundMe account. The White House declined to say whether Trump has contributed to the effort.

....

Bailey is now at a rehabilitation center and will be fitted for a prosthetic leg in the coming months, she wrote.

“His family has staggering medical bills from a hospital stay of 2+ months and still counting in the ICU and a long road ahead in rehab before he can go home,” McCrobie wrote Nov. 13, when she created the account. “When he does make it home there will be major changes necessary to deal with his new, and permanent, disability.”
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fishfoodie wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:51 pm Massive lawsuit incoming.
A White House official who fell ill with Covid-19 in September is recovering after three months in the hospital, though he lost his right foot and lower leg in his battle against the virus, according to a friend.

Crede Bailey, the director of the White House security office, was the most severely ill among dozens of Covid-19 cases known to be connected to the White House. Bailey’s family has asked the White House not to publicize his condition, and President Donald Trump has never publicly acknowledged his illness.

Bailey’s friends have raised more than $30,000 for his rehabilitation through a GoFundMe account. The White House declined to say whether Trump has contributed to the effort.

....

Bailey is now at a rehabilitation center and will be fitted for a prosthetic leg in the coming months, she wrote.

“His family has staggering medical bills from a hospital stay of 2+ months and still counting in the ICU and a long road ahead in rehab before he can go home,” McCrobie wrote Nov. 13, when she created the account. “When he does make it home there will be major changes necessary to deal with his new, and permanent, disability.”
Poor bugger.
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Proof of attempted election fraud. How many have slipped in unnoticed is the big question, but suggestions from a Republican lawyer are 2 million.

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/politics/flo ... KVMO5ESJQ/
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Ted. wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:24 am Proof of attempted election fraud. How many have slipped in unnoticed is the big question, but suggestions from a Republican lawyer are 2 million.

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/politics/flo ... KVMO5ESJQ/
Trump did the same thing. Nothing to see here.
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Trump keeps on coming top of the class, but being the humble guy he is, he's not claiming any credit for this one. In fact, he saying and doing nothing as all:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/ ... the-ground
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Sandstorm wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:27 am
Ted. wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:24 am Proof of attempted election fraud. How many have slipped in unnoticed is the big question, but suggestions from a Republican lawyer are 2 million.

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/politics/flo ... KVMO5ESJQ/
Trump did the same thing. Nothing to see here.
Banana Republicans.
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Ted. wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:43 am Trump keeps on coming top of the class, but being the humble guy he is, he's not claiming any credit for this one. In fact, he saying and doing nothing as all:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/ ... the-ground
I was just about to post on this.

I’m not one for conspiracy theories but what on Earth to Russia/Putin have over Trump? His Secretary of State comes out and says Russia were responsible for the hack and within 30 mins he is tweeting that it might not be Russia, it might be China. It’s beyond odd.
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Slick wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:28 pm
Ted. wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:43 am Trump keeps on coming top of the class, but being the humble guy he is, he's not claiming any credit for this one. In fact, he saying and doing nothing as all:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/ ... the-ground
I was just about to post on this.

I’m not one for conspiracy theories but what on Earth to Russia/Putin have over Trump? His Secretary of State comes out and says Russia were responsible for the hack and within 30 mins he is tweeting that it might not be Russia, it might be China. It’s beyond odd.
Money laundering.
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Slick wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:28 pm
Ted. wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:43 am Trump keeps on coming top of the class, but being the humble guy he is, he's not claiming any credit for this one. In fact, he saying and doing nothing as all:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/ ... the-ground
I was just about to post on this.

I’m not one for conspiracy theories but what on Earth to Russia/Putin have over Trump? His Secretary of State comes out and says Russia were responsible for the hack and within 30 mins he is tweeting that it might not be Russia, it might be China. It’s beyond odd.
Forget the Orange shitball; he's irrelevant at this stage; what is the hold that he has over the majority of the GOP; that they aren't screaming about this attack on America ?

In another month; if President Biden declares this attack as, "Casus belli", he would be perfectly justified in standing the majority of the GOP representatives in front of a wall, & shooting the traitorous mother fuckers.

When will they put the Country they claim to love, before their own politcal interests ?
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CNN are reporting on an Oval Office meeting where Flynn and Sidney Powell suggested that Trump had enough to declare martial law.
President Donald Trump convened a heated meeting in the Oval Office on Friday, including lawyer Sidney Powell and her client, former national security adviser Michael Flynn, two people familiar with the matter said, describing a session that began as an impromptu gathering but devolved and eventually broke out into screaming matches at certain points as some of Trump's aides pushed back on Powell and Flynn's more outrageous suggestions about overturning the election.

Flynn had suggested earlier this week that Trump could invoke martial law as part of his efforts to overturn the election that he lost to President-elect Joe Biden -- an idea that arose again during the meeting in the Oval Office, one of the people said.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/19/poli ... index.html

The original story was in the NYT, apparently, but it's behind a paywall.
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When the likes of Giuliani are the voice of reason in the room, you know you are in trouble.
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The headlines of the 3 articles linked in that article:

“TRUMP WHITE HOUSE
• Analysis: 3,500 Americans died in one day. The President didn't mention it.
• Trump remains silent as massive cyber hack poses 'grave risk' to government
• The US government has executed 10 people this year -- the most since 1896“
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Rinkals wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 4:12 am CNN are reporting on an Oval Office meeting where Flynn and Sidney Powell suggested that Trump had enough to declare martial law.
President Donald Trump convened a heated meeting in the Oval Office on Friday, including lawyer Sidney Powell and her client, former national security adviser Michael Flynn, two people familiar with the matter said, describing a session that began as an impromptu gathering but devolved and eventually broke out into screaming matches at certain points as some of Trump's aides pushed back on Powell and Flynn's more outrageous suggestions about overturning the election.

Flynn had suggested earlier this week that Trump could invoke martial law as part of his efforts to overturn the election that he lost to President-elect Joe Biden -- an idea that arose again during the meeting in the Oval Office, one of the people said.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/19/poli ... index.html

The original story was in the NYT, apparently, but it's behind a paywall.
1. We’ve got to a point where we’re not surprised that there are people actively discussing martial law and in effect a military coup in the United States. Whatever way you paint it, that’s hideous
2. At least there are some in the administration who realise how completely mental that is
3. I’m pretty sure the military would have no part in it. The heads of the services made it pretty clear earlier in the year that they swear loyalty to the constitution not the president.

But America needs a conversation about how it has let itself get this far.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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Rinkals wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 4:12 am CNN are reporting on an Oval Office meeting where Flynn and Sidney Powell suggested that Trump had enough to declare martial law.
President Donald Trump convened a heated meeting in the Oval Office on Friday, including lawyer Sidney Powell and her client, former national security adviser Michael Flynn, two people familiar with the matter said, describing a session that began as an impromptu gathering but devolved and eventually broke out into screaming matches at certain points as some of Trump's aides pushed back on Powell and Flynn's more outrageous suggestions about overturning the election.

Flynn had suggested earlier this week that Trump could invoke martial law as part of his efforts to overturn the election that he lost to President-elect Joe Biden -- an idea that arose again during the meeting in the Oval Office, one of the people said.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/19/poli ... index.html

The original story was in the NYT, apparently, but it's behind a paywall.
Trump Weighed Naming Election Conspiracy Theorist as Special Counsel

In a meeting at the White House on Friday, President Trump weighed appointing Sidney Powell, who promoted conspiracy theories about rigged voting machines, to investigate voter fraud.

President Trump on Friday discussed naming Sidney Powell, who as a lawyer for his campaign team unleashed conspiracy theories about a Venezuelan plot to rig voting machines in the United States, to be a special counsel overseeing an investigation of voter fraud, according to two people briefed on the discussion.

It was unclear if Mr. Trump will move ahead with such a plan.

Most of his advisers opposed the idea, two of the people briefed on the discussion said, including Rudolph W. Giuliani, the president’s personal lawyer. In recent days Mr. Giuliani has sought to have the Department of Homeland Security join the campaign’s efforts to overturn Mr. Trump’s loss in the election.

Mr. Giuliani joined the discussion by phone initially, while Ms. Powell was at the White House for a meeting that became raucous and involved people shouting at each other at times, according to one of the people briefed on what took place.

Ms. Powell’s client, retired Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn, the former national security adviser whom the president recently pardoned, was also there, two of the people briefed on the meeting said. Some senior administration officials drifted in and out of the meeting.

During an appearance on the conservative Newsmax channel this week, Mr. Flynn pushed for Mr. Trump to impose martial law and deploy the military to “rerun” the election. At one point in the meeting on Friday, Mr. Trump asked about that idea.

Ms. Powell’s ideas were shot down by every other Trump adviser present, all of whom repeatedly pointed out that she had yet to back up her claims with proof. At one point, one person briefed on the meeting said, she produced several affidavits, but upon inspection they were all signed by a man she has previously used as an expert witness, whose credentials have been called into question.

The White House counsel, Pat A. Cipollone, and the White House chief of staff, Mark Meadows, repeatedly and aggressively pushed back on the ideas being proposed, which went beyond the special counsel idea, those briefed on the meeting said.

Mr. Cipollone told Mr. Trump there was no constitutional authority for what was being discussed, one of the people briefed on the meeting said. Other advisers from the White House and the Trump campaign delivered the same message throughout the meeting, which stretched on for a long period of time.

Mr. Trump was defeated in the election by President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr. by more than 7 million votes. The states have confirmed Mr. Biden’s Electoral College victory by a margin of 306-232.

But Mr. Trump, egged on by supporters like Ms. Powell, has never conceded and, holed up inside the White House, he continues to assert that he actually won — even though the baseless claims Ms. Powell and others have made of widespread fraud have been thoroughly debunked and even many of Mr. Trump’s closest allies have dismissed as preposterous her tale of an international conspiracy to rig the vote.
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My penis is like Joe Biden

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Biffer wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 9:41 am
Rinkals wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 4:12 am CNN are reporting on an Oval Office meeting where Flynn and Sidney Powell suggested that Trump had enough to declare martial law.
President Donald Trump convened a heated meeting in the Oval Office on Friday, including lawyer Sidney Powell and her client, former national security adviser Michael Flynn, two people familiar with the matter said, describing a session that began as an impromptu gathering but devolved and eventually broke out into screaming matches at certain points as some of Trump's aides pushed back on Powell and Flynn's more outrageous suggestions about overturning the election.

Flynn had suggested earlier this week that Trump could invoke martial law as part of his efforts to overturn the election that he lost to President-elect Joe Biden -- an idea that arose again during the meeting in the Oval Office, one of the people said.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/19/poli ... index.html

The original story was in the NYT, apparently, but it's behind a paywall.
1. We’ve got to a point where we’re not surprised that there are people actively discussing martial law and in effect a military coup in the United States. Whatever way you paint it, that’s hideous
2. At least there are some in the administration who realise how completely mental that is
3. I’m pretty sure the military would have no part in it. The heads of the services made it pretty clear earlier in the year that they swear loyalty to the constitution not the president.

But America needs a conversation about how it has let itself get this far.
For all their talk about how the constitution runs the country, the fact is that the whole US system is predicated on both sides acting in good faith. The founding fathers couldn't really understand the concept of winning at all costs
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