Re: Uber business model fecked
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 8:18 pm
It's easy for qualified secure people to tell other people what they can and cannot do.
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Re: Uber business model fecked
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 8:53 pm
Straight out of the neoclassical economics playbook, well parroted.
It's a line that's usually said by someone who's never struggled to find work.
Re: Uber business model fecked
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:03 pm
Ok, I think you’ve both said it fairly kindly (thankfully this is NPR).
What you’re saying is
What you’re saying is
Re: Uber business model fecked
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:23 pm
Re: Uber business model fecked
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:29 pm
Are their competitors treating their drivers as workers? Can only think of one now (lyft) but there must be quite a few now.
Re: Uber business model fecked
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:00 pm
Something that popped up recently about that sort of thing...Ymx wrote: Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:03 pm Ok, I think you’ve both said it fairly kindly (thankfully this is NPR).
What you’re saying is
‘It’s not so much that you made good choices, it’s the fact you had a choice to make’
Re: Uber business model fecked
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:59 am
Just to add, people choosing to work for Uber doesn’t remove Uber’s legal obligations to their workers. They have to obey the law. And every level of the court system within the UK said they weren’t.
Re: Uber business model fecked
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:03 am
In the same way that young boys in Midwest USA or North England weren't forced to work down horrible mines for very low wages, they did it because they loved it so much
Re: Uber business model fecked
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:24 pm
Except they were operating as revenue sharing own time keeping contractors until, well now.Biffer wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:59 am Just to add, people choosing to work for Uber doesn’t remove Uber’s legal obligations to their workers. They have to obey the law. And every level of the court system within the UK said they weren’t.
I do wonder which other equivalent business models this will break.
Re: Uber business model fecked
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:55 pm
Lyft and Deliveroo probably have kept their lawyers busy this weekend.Ymx wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:24 pmExcept they were operating as revenue sharing own time keeping contractors until, well now.Biffer wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:59 am Just to add, people choosing to work for Uber doesn’t remove Uber’s legal obligations to their workers. They have to obey the law. And every level of the court system within the UK said they weren’t.
I do wonder which other equivalent business models this will break.
I wonder if Uber will stay in London. It's tricky, one of few profitable cities for them but the regulatory requirements are causing them all sorts of trouble.
Re: Uber business model fecked
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:06 pm
I seem to remember reading somewhere that Uber were simultaneously arguing the drivers are employees for the sake of a different (regulatory?) lawsuit. In some way Uber’s model relied on them being employees to keep some of UK law happy whilst not being employees to make the pricing work, so it was just a matter of time before the law stuffed them in the UK one way or the other.
May be a bit garbled - my 10 second google failed to find the article.
May be a bit garbled - my 10 second google failed to find the article.
Re: Uber business model fecked
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:14 pm
Yeah, that was to allow them to get a license from the m TfL to operate in London. They talked about their drivers and their customers.Mahoney wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:06 pm I seem to remember reading somewhere that Uber were simultaneously arguing the drivers are employees for the sake of a different (regulatory?) lawsuit. In some way Uber’s model relied on them being employees to keep some of UK law happy whilst not being employees to make the pricing work, so it was just a matter of time before the law stuffed them in the UK one way or the other.
May be a bit garbled - my 10 second google failed to find the article.
Same lawyers doing the arguing in both cases, as was pointed out by the judge in the original tribunal.
Re: Uber business model fecked
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:15 pm
Except that was illegal.Ymx wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:24 pmExcept they were operating as revenue sharing own time keeping contractors until, well now.Biffer wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:59 am Just to add, people choosing to work for Uber doesn’t remove Uber’s legal obligations to their workers. They have to obey the law. And every level of the court system within the UK said they weren’t.
I do wonder which other equivalent business models this will break.
Re: Uber business model fecked
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:46 pm
Never ceases to amaze me the number of people who applaud a return to early 20th century employment practices just so that they can get a slightly better service or cheaper price.