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Re: Official Tour de France 2021 thread

Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:21 pm
by duke
Chapeau Cav

Re: Official Tour de France 2021 thread

Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:49 pm
by Marylandolorian
What a come back, 31st victory on le Tour :clap:

Re: Official Tour de France 2021 thread

Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:28 pm
by Biffer
I'd love to see him find a few more to catch Eddy Mercxx

Re: Official Tour de France 2021 thread

Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:17 pm
by dpedin
Fantastic finish - so tense. Brilliant for Cav, he deserves every plaudit he gets!

Re: Official Tour de France 2021 thread

Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:38 pm
by Sandstorm
Did these clowns all stay upright today?

Re: Official Tour de France 2021 thread

Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:02 pm
by Margin__Walker
Got a huge kick out of his win today. Definitely one of my favourite sportsmen and his career to date has been box office. He was light years away from this last year and was basically finished.

Re: Official Tour de France 2021 thread

Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:04 pm
by Insane_Homer
vintage Cav today :grin:

that was beautiful

Re: Official Tour de France 2021 thread

Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:29 pm
by Un Pilier
Biffer wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:28 pm I'd love to see him find a few more to catch Eddy Mercxx
Stage 6 maybe?

Re: Official Tour de France 2021 thread

Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:37 pm
by Kawazaki
Anyone know what gear ratios the sprinters will have to hand? I ask because Cavendish has, what looks to me, a remarkably low cadence when he's going full chat balls-out at the end of the stage. Do they have a sprinting gear that they only use at the end?

Re: Official Tour de France 2021 thread

Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:55 pm
by Dinsdale Piranha
Kawazaki wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:37 pm Anyone know what gear ratios the sprinters will have to hand? I ask because Cavendish has, what looks to me, a remarkably low cadence when he's going full chat balls-out at the end of the stage. Do they have a sprinting gear that they only use at the end?
I would guess 53x11 for a flat sprint. A really big sprinter might has a slightly larger chainring but not by much.

Today's stage had a slight uphill finish which is probably why the cadence looks low. You aren't going to change gears in the last couple of hundred metres.

Re: Official Tour de France 2021 thread

Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:16 am
by Kawazaki
Dinsdale Piranha wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:55 pm
Kawazaki wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:37 pm Anyone know what gear ratios the sprinters will have to hand? I ask because Cavendish has, what looks to me, a remarkably low cadence when he's going full chat balls-out at the end of the stage. Do they have a sprinting gear that they only use at the end?
I would guess 53x11 for a flat sprint. A really big sprinter might has a slightly larger chainring but not by much.

Today's stage had a slight uphill finish which is probably why the cadence looks low. You aren't going to change gears in the last couple of hundred metres.


What kind of peak power will Cavendish be pushing out for that last sprint do you reckon, >1000watts perhaps?


Fuck me edit: Google tells me that sprinters can exceed 2000watts and get closer to an average of 1500watts for the sprint phase! And that phase happens after they've already cycled 120+Kms.

Bloody hell.

Re: Official Tour de France 2021 thread

Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:55 am
by Big D
I watched the ITV highlights last night as I missed the early part of the stage. The lead out for Cav to sweep up the intermediate sprint points looked very easy and very good. He probably wouldn't say it yet but he must be fancying a real go at the green jersey this year which would be remarkable,.

Re: Official Tour de France 2021 thread

Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:18 am
by clydecloggie
Kawazaki wrote: Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:16 am
Dinsdale Piranha wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:55 pm
Kawazaki wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:37 pm Anyone know what gear ratios the sprinters will have to hand? I ask because Cavendish has, what looks to me, a remarkably low cadence when he's going full chat balls-out at the end of the stage. Do they have a sprinting gear that they only use at the end?
I would guess 53x11 for a flat sprint. A really big sprinter might has a slightly larger chainring but not by much.

Today's stage had a slight uphill finish which is probably why the cadence looks low. You aren't going to change gears in the last couple of hundred metres.


What kind of peak power will Cavendish be pushing out for that last sprint do you reckon, >1000watts perhaps?


Fuck me edit: Google tells me that sprinters can exceed 2000watts and get closer to an average of 1500watts for the sprint phase! And that phase happens after they've already cycled 120+Kms.

Bloody hell.
Last time I looked into it, apparently around 1800 Watts would be needed for the final 300m to be competitive in a bunch sprint, with max values above 2000 Watts indeed. And those peak values would also be reached a few times in the last 10k when the fight for the right position is on.

Crazy values.

Re: Official Tour de France 2021 thread

Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:29 am
by Openside
Blackmac wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:19 pm Unbelievable. Delighted for Cav, he deserves a final flourish to his career.
Indeed although I thought the guy deserved to make it! The peloton on the full throttle chase is a sight to behold...

Re: Official Tour de France 2021 thread

Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:42 am
by Dinsdale Piranha
clydecloggie wrote: Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:18 am
Kawazaki wrote: Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:16 am
Dinsdale Piranha wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:55 pm
I would guess 53x11 for a flat sprint. A really big sprinter might has a slightly larger chainring but not by much.

Today's stage had a slight uphill finish which is probably why the cadence looks low. You aren't going to change gears in the last couple of hundred metres.


What kind of peak power will Cavendish be pushing out for that last sprint do you reckon, >1000watts perhaps?


Fuck me edit: Google tells me that sprinters can exceed 2000watts and get closer to an average of 1500watts for the sprint phase! And that phase happens after they've already cycled 120+Kms.

Bloody hell.
Last time I looked into it, apparently around 1800 Watts would be needed for the final 300m to be competitive in a bunch sprint, with max values above 2000 Watts indeed. And those peak values would also be reached a few times in the last 10k when the fight for the right position is on.

Crazy values.
That's the important bit. These are endurance athletes who can push 1500 watts after 5 hours cycling every day.

It's also important how long you can push close to your peak power. Cav is very good at this. He's also very small for a sprinter so doesn't need the same peak power as the larger guys.

Re: Official Tour de France 2021 thread

Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:07 pm
by tabascoboy
Tour de France spectator arrested over sign crash

French police say they have arrested a woman suspected of causing a huge crash during the Tour de France by waving a sign in the riders' path on Saturday.

The peloton was 45km (28 miles) from the end of the first stage, when her sign clipped German rider Tony Martin. He fell to the ground and caused dozens of other riders to follow suit, in what was one of the Tour de France's worst ever crashes.

French authorities say the woman, who is French, is in custody in Landerneau.

Following the incident, Tour de France Deputy Director Pierre-Yves Thouault said the tour would take legal action against the woman.

"We are suing this woman who behaved so badly. We are doing this so that the tiny minority of people who do this do not spoil the show for everyone," he told AFP news agency.

Re: Official Tour de France 2021 thread

Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:46 pm
by Openside
tabascoboy wrote: Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:07 pm
Tour de France spectator arrested over sign crash

French police say they have arrested a woman suspected of causing a huge crash during the Tour de France by waving a sign in the riders' path on Saturday.

The peloton was 45km (28 miles) from the end of the first stage, when her sign clipped German rider Tony Martin. He fell to the ground and caused dozens of other riders to follow suit, in what was one of the Tour de France's worst ever crashes.

French authorities say the woman, who is French, is in custody in Landerneau.

Following the incident, Tour de France Deputy Director Pierre-Yves Thouault said the tour would take legal action against the woman.

"We are suing this woman who behaved so badly. We are doing this so that the tiny minority of people who do this do not spoil the show for everyone," he told AFP news agency.
seems fair enough

Re: Official Tour de France 2021 thread

Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:15 pm
by Marylandolorian
I thought she was German, “ opi- omi” means grandpa-grandma.in german.

Re: Official Tour de France 2021 thread

Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:28 pm
by Kawazaki
Kawazaki wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:02 am
Openside wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:35 am
Kawazaki wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 5:36 pm Have they caught the stupid German bint yet?

She should face further charges for not handing herself in.
How do they know she is German?


Everyone has assumed she is German due to the sign she was holding but she could just as easily be French with German grandparents.


Marylandolorian wrote: Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:15 pm I thought she was German, “ opi- omi” means grandpa-grandma.in german.

Re: Official Tour de France 2021 thread

Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:44 pm
by Marylandolorian
^
Maybe, It’s a possibility, if the sign had been “ aitona-amaso “ I would have assumed she was Basque.

Re: Official Tour de France 2021 thread

Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2021 8:57 am
by Openside
Marylandolorian wrote: Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:15 pm I thought she was German, “ opi- omi” means grandpa-grandma.in german.
Yes but Allez is go in French :wink:

Re: Official Tour de France 2021 thread

Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2021 3:25 pm
by Kawazaki
He's won again!

32nd stage win for Cavendish.

Re: Official Tour de France 2021 thread

Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2021 3:28 pm
by Margin__Walker
He's box office. Felt like he was rolling back the years. In those final few K you couldn't see anyone else taking it.

Re: Official Tour de France 2021 thread

Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2021 3:53 pm
by SaintK
Kawazaki wrote: Thu Jul 01, 2021 3:25 pm He's won again!

32nd stage win for Cavendish.
Brillant.............so pleased for him after what he's been through the past few years

Re: Official Tour de France 2021 thread

Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:25 pm
by Big D
Margin__Walker wrote: Thu Jul 01, 2021 3:28 pm He's box office. Felt like he was rolling back the years. In those final few K you couldn't see anyone else taking it.
This felt like 2011 Cav, was never in doubt.

Re: Official Tour de France 2021 thread

Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2021 11:08 am
by Biffer
Pogacar was terrifyingly good yesterday. Seems he just needs to stay upright for the next fortnight to win this now.

Re: Official Tour de France 2021 thread

Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 12:59 pm
by Slick
First day I've had a chance to watch any of this, this year, have been really looking forward to it!

FFS.

Re: Official Tour de France 2021 thread

Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 7:33 pm
by Kawazaki
What happened to Mathieu van der Poel? Just seen he's out!

Re: Official Tour de France 2021 thread

Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 7:37 pm
by Dinsdale Piranha
Kawazaki wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 7:33 pm What happened to Mathieu van der Poel? Just seen he's out!
Quit to prepare for the Olympics.

Re: Official Tour de France 2021 thread

Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 6:56 am
by Blackmac
Slick wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 12:59 pm First day I've had a chance to watch any of this, this year, have been really looking forward to it!

FFS.
😂 I always get caught out by the rest days.

Re: Official Tour de France 2021 thread

Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 11:05 am
by Biffer
Another day for the sprinters - is it possible Cav could catch Merckx on this tour? There's today, another 3 flat stages then the final sprint on the Champs-Elysees.

Aside from that, given the GC is over so long as Pogacar manages to stay upright, We might see some brilliant racing as teams pursue stage wins instead of the overall win.

Re: Official Tour de France 2021 thread

Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:36 pm
by Biffer
Cav does it again! Perfect job by the team, beautiful lead out, always in control.

1 short of Eddy Merckx, four or five shots at it in the next fortnight.

Re: Official Tour de France 2021 thread

Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:40 pm
by Big D
Biffer wrote: Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:36 pm Cav does it again! Perfect job by the team, beautiful lead out, always in control.

1 short of Eddy Merckx, four or five shots at it in the next fortnight.
DQS put on a clinic. If you get this current version of Cav to 100m from the line in the lead he won't lose.

Wins another stage then beats the record in Paris.

Re: Official Tour de France 2021 thread

Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:47 pm
by duke
Chapeau Cav, surprised he’s still got it in his legs after Sunday’s stage

Re: Official Tour de France 2021 thread

Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 4:08 pm
by dpedin
Can and team made it look like a Sunday afternoon run, easy win - Boardman reckoned Cav only had to sprint for 14 pedal rotations! Chuffed for him.

Re: Official Tour de France 2021 thread

Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 7:19 pm
by Slick
Just out of interest, was Merck a sprinter as well or did he win other stages?

Re: Official Tour de France 2021 thread

Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 7:34 pm
by Kawazaki
Slick wrote: Tue Jul 06, 2021 7:19 pm Just out of interest, was Merck a sprinter as well or did he win other stages?


Merckx did it all. GC, KoM and Sprinting.

Re: Official Tour de France 2021 thread

Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 7:39 pm
by Dinsdale Piranha
Slick wrote: Tue Jul 06, 2021 7:19 pm Just out of interest, was Merck a sprinter as well or did he win other stages?
Merckx won most sorts of stages during his tdf career but many of his stage wins were time trials - they used to have several. For example, 1969 he had 6 stage wins, 3 time trials and 3 mountain stages.

Re: Official Tour de France 2021 thread

Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 7:42 pm
by Slick
Thanks chaps

Re: Official Tour de France 2021 thread

Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:53 pm
by S/Lt_Phillips
Today's ITV4 commentary team has been joined by Alexei Sayle, which is adding a slightly surreal element to the whole spectacle. Sadly I have meetings, or I'd happily listen in all afternoon. Most entertaining!