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Re: Panic buying morons
Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:32 am
by Ymx
Screw the fuel shortage.
The media on to something new now.
Monster rats to invade UK homes via toilet, warns pest expert
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/monster-rats- ... 20858.html
The apocalypse is nigh.
Re: Panic buying morons
Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 12:10 pm
by Grandpa
About 4 years ago we had them in our house coming via the sewerage pipes... had specialists in with cameras... looked down pipes... we ended up with fitting a one way flap to stop the rats getting into our sewerage system... noisy buggers... in the walls and ceiling... thankfully nothing since the flap was fitted...
Re: Panic buying morons
Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 2:25 pm
by Ymx
May your rat flaps remain steadfast !
Re: Panic buying morons
Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:07 pm
by Kawazaki
Grandpa wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 12:10 pm
About 4 years ago we had them in our house coming via the sewerage pipes... had specialists in with cameras... looked down pipes... we ended up with fitting a one way flap to stop the rats getting into our sewerage system... noisy buggers... in the walls and ceiling... thankfully nothing since the flap was fitted...
Do your turds always have enough oomph to push the trap door open?
Re: Panic buying morons
Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:17 pm
by sorCrer
fishfoodie wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 6:25 pm
TB63 wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 2:35 pm
sorCrer wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 2:31 pm
Good man. I don't even use TP.
Flexible spine.
Cat style..
Drag your arse along the grass..
Dog style !
Bidet
Re: Panic buying morons
Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:59 pm
by fishfoodie
sorCrer wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:17 pm
fishfoodie wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 6:25 pm
TB63 wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 2:35 pm
Flexible spine.
Cat style..
Drag your arse along the grass..
Dog style !
Bidet
Many, many, moons ago I was in a house share; & despite being nominally the show house for the Estate, it was a shockingly bodged build.
One of the more problematic features was the plumber had connected the toilet cistern, to the hot water tank .....
which could result in a steam cleaned undercarriage, if you weren't careful
Re: Panic buying morons
Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 7:08 pm
by Hal Jordan
Thick end of a 90 mile round trip to Chelmsford RFC and back in the Renault Zoe for the boy's rugby this morning, still 97 miles range on the Guess-O-Meter when we got back. Plugged in for a bit, just to pump to the psychological comfort level of 120 miles, even though I could do work and back twice without needing a charge.
Not being smug though, because I very much feel for people who are reaping the rewards of the twats who have been running the country (into the ground) for a decade.
Re: Panic buying morons
Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 7:31 pm
by Grandpa
Ymx wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 2:25 pm
May your rat flaps remain steadfast !
guaranteed a 100 years rat-free...
Re: Panic buying morons
Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 7:34 pm
by Grandpa
Kawazaki wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:07 pm
Grandpa wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 12:10 pm
About 4 years ago we had them in our house coming via the sewerage pipes... had specialists in with cameras... looked down pipes... we ended up with fitting a one way flap to stop the rats getting into our sewerage system... noisy buggers... in the walls and ceiling... thankfully nothing since the flap was fitted...
Do your turds always have enough oomph to push the trap door open?
Hopefully not too far that the rats can get in....
...also it's more a mesh.. so liquid goes through it...
Re: Panic buying morons
Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:31 pm
by I like neeps
I at first thought the panic buyers are stupid but apparently 2/3s of stations are out and now the govt are suspending competition laws to help. Seems to be if you didn't panic you'll be running out of petrol soon.
Re: Panic buying morons
Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:34 pm
by Raggs
I like neeps wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:31 pm
I at first thought the panic buyers are stupid but apparently 2/3s of stations are out and now the govt are suspending competition laws to help. Seems to be if you didn't panic you'll be running out of petrol soon.
The panic buyers caused the shortage. As someone said here I believe, the only sensible thing to do when there is a panic, is to unfortunately join them if you do actually need the resource.
Re: Panic buying morons
Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:34 pm
by Sandstorm
I like neeps wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:31 pm
I at first thought the panic buyers are stupid but apparently 2/3s of stations are out and now the govt are suspending competition laws to help. Seems to be if you didn't panic you'll be running out of petrol soon.
Don’t be a muppet.
Re: Panic buying morons
Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:44 pm
by fishfoodie
Raggs wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:34 pm
I like neeps wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:31 pm
I at first thought the panic buyers are stupid but apparently 2/3s of stations are out and now the govt are suspending competition laws to help. Seems to be if you didn't panic you'll be running out of petrol soon.
The panic buyers caused the shortage. As someone said here I believe, the only sensible thing to do when there is a panic, is to unfortunately join them if you do actually need the resource.
Someone in Government needs to get a fucking grip; & (a) acknowledge there's a problem, & the (b) put temporary measures in place to stop the shortages, & then finally (c) fix the underlying causes.
(a) Should be prioritizing essential customers; & rationing for everyone else.
(b) Is getting enough drivers for fuel deliveries, to get the stocks back up in the petrol stations
& (c) is obviously issuing say 20,000 free, one year visas to HGV license holders.
There's about a 5% chance of this happening; so actually you're fucked !
Re: Panic buying morons
Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:55 pm
by Hal Jordan
The Government is too busy confecting culture wars and looting the public purse to be bothered with the peasants.
Re: Panic buying morons
Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 10:07 pm
by fishfoodie
Hal Jordan wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:55 pm
The Government is too busy confecting culture wars and looting the public purse to be bothered with the peasants.
"Let them eat cake", didn't work for Marie Antoinette; & I doubt it'll work for Princess Carrie.
The bumblecunt, (or at least someone around him), realized that cancelling Christmas last year would have be politically disastrous; & so he decided that killing ten thousand more people was the better option. This year he's got a similar situation; but now he has to face down the ERG nutters, if he wants to save his leadership.
I don't think he has the balls to do it; & Shapps initial proposal supports that.
Re: Panic buying morons
Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 10:49 pm
by BnM
Re: Panic buying morons
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:39 am
by Kawazaki
I think people who blame the government for people being morons is also moronic.
Re: Panic buying morons
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:42 am
by I like neeps
fishfoodie wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:44 pm
Raggs wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:34 pm
I like neeps wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:31 pm
I at first thought the panic buyers are stupid but apparently 2/3s of stations are out and now the govt are suspending competition laws to help. Seems to be if you didn't panic you'll be running out of petrol soon.
The panic buyers caused the shortage. As someone said here I believe, the only sensible thing to do when there is a panic, is to unfortunately join them if you do actually need the resource.
Someone in Government needs to get a fucking grip; & (a) acknowledge there's a problem, & the (b) put temporary measures in place to stop the shortages, & then finally (c) fix the underlying causes.
(a) Should be prioritizing essential customers; & rationing for everyone else.
(b) Is getting enough drivers for fuel deliveries, to get the stocks back up in the petrol stations
& (c) is obviously issuing say 20,000 free, one year visas to HGV license holders.
There's about a 5% chance of this happening; so actually you're fucked !
They have acknowledged there's a problem, they've changed the competition laws and are getting the army involved in delivering petrol. Under plans devised for a no deal Brexit funnily enough.
Re: Panic buying morons
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:00 am
by Paddington Bear
Visa changes are window dressing, most of these Eastern European workers aren't coming back regardless given the increase in living standards in their home countries and the terrible working conditions in the UK.
Re: Panic buying morons
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:09 am
by tc27
Working conditions for HGV are terrible everywhere in Europe from what I hear - but demands is outstripping supply elsewhere so I doubt 10k drivers are about to arrive.
Re: Panic buying morons
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:13 am
by robmatic
tc27 wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:09 am
Working conditions for HGV are terrible everywhere in Europe from what I hear - but demands is outstripping supply elsewhere so I doubt 10k drivers are about to arrive.
I can't imagine a 3-month visa helping too much to encourage them either. Where are they going to live? Landlords don't like short-term contracts like that.
Re: Panic buying morons
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:15 am
by Paddington Bear
robmatic wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:13 am
tc27 wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:09 am
Working conditions for HGV are terrible everywhere in Europe from what I hear - but demands is outstripping supply elsewhere so I doubt 10k drivers are about to arrive.
I can't imagine a 3-month visa helping too much to encourage them either. Where are they going to live? Landlords don't like short-term contracts like that.
As ever, depends a lot on how much they're being paid.
Re: Panic buying morons
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:24 am
by ASMO
Its fairly simple, ban anyone filling up petrol cans and limit people to £30.00 on any single visit.
Re: Panic buying morons
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:30 am
by yermum
robmatic wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:13 am
tc27 wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:09 am
Working conditions for HGV are terrible everywhere in Europe from what I hear - but demands is outstripping supply elsewhere so I doubt 10k drivers are about to arrive.
I can't imagine a 3-month visa helping too much to encourage them either. Where are they going to live? Landlords don't like short-term contracts like that.
It will be letters of marque and press gangs roaming the streets of Zeebrugge Rotterdam and other major European ports.
Re: Panic buying morons
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:38 am
by Paddington Bear
Incidentally, my car catastrophically failed it's MOT a month or so ago and I've been sulkily refusing to pay out to fix it since, having filled up a full tank on the way to said MOT. So there's a full tank of diesel available to a good home - pick up only.
Re: Panic buying morons
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:45 am
by Slick
Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:38 am
Incidentally, my car catastrophically failed it's MOT a month or so ago and I've been sulkily refusing to pay out to fix it since, having filled up a full tank on the way to said MOT. So there's a full tank of diesel available to a good home - pick up only.
Can you post it?
Re: Panic buying morons
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:45 am
by tc27
We are lucky in so far as we can walk to everywhere we need to go (I WFH or get the train) so even though down to a quarter in both cars we are going to let this settle down.
I remember in the context of the 2008 MBS crisis Warren Buffett talking about how infectious fear and panic can be - definitely get that impression and even felt the urge to fill up myself even though I don't need it. Also accept for some people buying at the first sign of a shortage is actually rational.
Re: Panic buying morons
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:49 am
by Paddington Bear
tc27 wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:45 am
We are lucky in so far as we can walk to everywhere we need to go (I WFH or get the train) so even though down to a quarter in both cars we are going to let this settle down.
I remember in the context of the 2008 MBS crisis Warren Buffett talking about how infectious fear and panic can be - definitely get that impression and even felt the urge to fill up myself even though I don't need it. Also accept for some people buying at the first sign of a shortage is actually rational.
It's the old bank run conundrum - it's irrational to start one but rational to join one.
Re: Panic buying morons
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:47 am
by Torquemada 1420
Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:00 am
Visa changes are window dressing, most of these Eastern European workers aren't coming back regardless given the increase in living standards in their home countries and the terrible working conditions in the UK.
You seen the backlog for HGV driving tests and HGV licence applications at the DVLA too?
Re: Panic buying morons
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:56 am
by Slick
My sister is currently sitting in a massive queue at the 7th garage she visited this morning - the others have all been closed.
Re: Panic buying morons
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:02 am
by TB63
4 garages in my town, all sold out..
Full tank in my car luckily, lasts over a month..
Re: Panic buying morons
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:05 am
by westport
Mate of mine was saying earlier that he was filling up and the guy in the car at the next pump was out his car and filled his up with their handle going clunk in less than minute from getting out his car. My mate finished and headed to the paying in desk and looked at the next pump total cost for fuel £3.78.
Re: Panic buying morons
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:05 am
by fishfoodie
Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:15 am
robmatic wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:13 am
tc27 wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:09 am
Working conditions for HGV are terrible everywhere in Europe from what I hear - but demands is outstripping supply elsewhere so I doubt 10k drivers are about to arrive.
I can't imagine a 3-month visa helping too much to encourage them either. Where are they going to live? Landlords don't like short-term contracts like that.
As ever, depends a lot on how much they're being paid.
The problem with that, is how do you explain to your existing drivers; paying foreign drivers more that them ?
They'll justifiably demand the same pay; & then when the visas expire; that pay rise will be the new base pay.
Re: Panic buying morons
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:07 am
by Tichtheid
Kawazaki wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:39 am
I think people who blame the government for people being morons is also moronic.
I read an article the other day saying that the government had side-lined/dismissed the so-called Nudge Unit they had been taking advice from on the subject of behavioural change during the pandemic.
Re: Panic buying morons
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:16 am
by tabascoboy
I would feel smug about being a non-driver at this time but the truth is that the longer this continues (added to the driver shortage), the greater the effect on wholesale and commercial delivery services around the country when transport runs can't be made if they have actually a driver but no fuel. Also having an effect on ambulance services with drivers finding it impossible to locate places to fill up.
From local social media:
Panic Buying -. we are a small haulage company of 10 HGV's. Last night I was out until the early hours delivering fuel to 3 of our HGV's that had run out. The fuel I delivered them had to be siphoned out of what HGV's had made it back to our depot. I delivered them enough fuel to make their deliveries and return back to our depot.
To those people who have bought into this media hype - there is no fuel shortage - there is a HGV driver shortage. If you all carry on buying fuel/ food as normal, there is enough.
The irony is beyond me - you panic buying is slowing down and stopping HGV's from making their deliveries. At this rate, unless the fuel situation improves, we can only send out 5 of our 10 HGV's Monday morning - obviously meaning we will be delivering 50% of what we are capable of - by Tuesday, we may have 7 off the road and so on.
What I'm trying to say is STOP PANIC BUYING - your actions are the reason we are in this situation.
Let's hope the initial panic dies down rather like the Great Bog Roll Shortage of 2020 as people gradually realize they have enough for their needs while service stations start a re-up this week. Doesn't help when this sort of behaviour happens though
westport wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:05 am
Mate of mine was saying earlier that he was filling up and the guy in the car at the next pump was out his car and filled his up with their handle going clunk in less than minute from getting out his car. My mate finished and headed to the paying in desk and looked at the next pump total cost for fuel £3.78.
Re: Panic buying morons
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:30 am
by Kawazaki
Tichtheid wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:07 am
Kawazaki wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:39 am
I think people who blame the government for people being morons is also moronic.
I read an article the other day saying that the government had side-lined/dismissed the so-called Nudge Unit they had been taking advice from on the subject of behavioural change during the pandemic.
Don't think of an elephant...
You thought of an elephant didn't you
Re: Panic buying morons
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:38 am
by Slick
The shelves in my local supermarket were definitely looking a bit bare over the weekend.
Re: Panic buying morons
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:45 am
by robmatic
fishfoodie wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:05 am
Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:15 am
robmatic wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:13 am
I can't imagine a 3-month visa helping too much to encourage them either. Where are they going to live? Landlords don't like short-term contracts like that.
As ever, depends a lot on how much they're being paid.
The problem with that, is how do you explain to your existing drivers; paying foreign drivers more that them ?
They'll justifiably demand the same pay; & then when the visas expire; that pay rise will be the new base pay.
To be fair, given that we're visibly screwed without a certain number of them and not enough folk want to do it, pay and conditions are going to have to be better.
Re: Panic buying morons
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:53 am
by tabascoboy
robmatic wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:45 am
fishfoodie wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:05 am
Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:15 am
As ever, depends a lot on how much they're being paid.
The problem with that, is how do you explain to your existing drivers; paying foreign drivers more that them ?
They'll justifiably demand the same pay; & then when the visas expire; that pay rise will be the new base pay.
To be fair, given that we're visibly screwed without a certain number of them and not enough folk want to do it, pay and conditions are going to have to be better.
And we may just have to learn to pay more realistic prices for goods and services - easy to say but not so if you're on a low income of course. Definitely feels like the boom times are over for the foreseeable
Re: Panic buying morons
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:31 am
by Sandstorm
robmatic wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:45 am
fishfoodie wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:05 am
Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:15 am
As ever, depends a lot on how much they're being paid.
The problem with that, is how do you explain to your existing drivers; paying foreign drivers more that them ?
They'll justifiably demand the same pay; & then when the visas expire; that pay rise will be the new base pay.
To be fair, given that we're visibly screwed without a certain number of them and not enough folk want to do it, pay and conditions are going to have to be better.
Pay might be better, but conditions are set to be worse with the Govt (crazily) suggesting that drivers can work longer hours to meet demand! Safety fail!
