NPR

Sorry about that Englanders. Better team and fine margins.

A lot of good young players in that team, guess it shows the importance of experience at the pointy end of tournaments as well

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:04 pm Right. Might as well start packing the rugby shirts into the loft for a few years.

As long as they're the same shitty dark blue as the football shirts (lazy, lazy Nike recycling), we can live with that.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:03 pm

Hal Jordan wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:02 pm England keep their average up, out in the quarters as usual.

Best chance they had to be world champions in decades.

It was a good chance. At least the best players in that team bar Kane are all young.

Looks like Harry Kane might not win a trophy in his career (he has been runner up in 4 finals).

Needs to do a Sheringham and GTFO of Spurs to a team he can have an Indian summer with.

Hal Jordan wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:25 pm Needs to do a Sheringham and GTFO of Spurs to a team he can have an Indian summer with.

Chennai Super Kings?

Aggh football is sport number 3 for me and still these days every couple of years hurt so much.

Think we were the better team and can’t fault the side massively beyond one or two switch offs. The wait goes on

petej wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:21 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:18 pm Fabulous goal, albeit after a blatant foul.

England have survived earlier matches where they've handed several chances to the opposition early on. Looked like being the same here, but that was a quality goal

Shit reffing. The break only happens due to a blatant foul.

Yeah the goal is due to a foul at the other end of the pitch, not shit defending. Sure.

Oh, and I'm sure we're all looking forward to Kane receiving the same level of abuse the black guys did when they missed penalties last year.

Why would you look forward to it?

Prembore wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:29 pm Why would you look forward to it?

Is this your first day on the internet? Would you like someone to hold your hand?

Biffer wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:20 pm

petej wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:21 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:18 pm Fabulous goal, albeit after a blatant foul.

England have survived earlier matches where they've handed several chances to the opposition early on. Looked like being the same here, but that was a quality goal

Shit reffing. The break only happens due to a blatant foul.

Yeah the goal is due to a foul at the other end of the pitch, not shit defending. Sure.

Weird how you read a post that said "the break only happens" and decided it said "the goal" instead.

JM2K6 wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 12:01 am

Biffer wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:20 pm

petej wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:21 pm
Shit reffing. The break only happens due to a blatant foul.

Yeah the goal is due to a foul at the other end of the pitch, not shit defending. Sure.

Weird how you read a post that said "the break only happens" and decided it said "the goal" instead.

So the break doesn’t lead to the goal. Ok.

So the break is allowed to lead to the goal but the foul isn't allowed to lead to the break, or if it is it certainly isn't allowed to lead to the goal that the break led to. Have I got this right so far?

Or maybe nothing leads to anything. Complicated game.

Prembore wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 8:14 am So the break is allowed to lead to the goal but the foul isn't allowed to lead to the break, or if it is it certainly isn't allowed to lead to the goal that the break led to. Have I got this right so far?

This is all nonsense. The time and pitch distance separation between the incorrect decision and the goal is significant enough to write the goal down to good play/bad defending. As a team, you have to have your defensive players set up for the eventuality that you will turn over the ball in any high pitch position (you can't do so when it's your own 1/3rd which is something someone should tell rugby players about dicking around with the ball in their own 22): good tackle, poor control or reffing error is immaterial. Such reffing errors happen ALL the time in football and are exasperated by the volumes of cheating by the players (although Eng and Fra have been amongst the least diving teams in the comp).

The weird thing here is Eng focusing on this rather than Kane missing the penalty that would have kept them in the comp or the several other decent chances they had and spurned.

Certainly felt like nonsense when I was writing it.

As an aside, just how flat has this comp been? Maybe it's the stupid time of year (middle of the playing season). Maybe it's the amount of star players missing due to injury (due to the former). Or is it the non football culture country or even the politics surrounding the comp?

For example
- I don't recall seeing a single St George flag flying from a car window this time and only one or two hanging from the windows of the rougher places I drive through.
- I was at a club dinner last week (proper hard core fans) and the level of interest was unbelievably low. The impression was aside from the Eng (and some Welsh lads) games, not much else had been watched. Despite the very real chance Eng had of winning, the enthusiasm levels really were mehhhh-ish.

Biffer wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:22 pm Oh, and I'm sure we're all looking forward to Kane receiving the same level of abuse the black guys did when they missed penalties last year.

Neither will receive anything like what say Beckham did in 98 or Rooney against Portugal etc, both of whom were white the last time I checked

Prembore wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 8:14 am So the break is allowed to lead to the goal but the foul isn't allowed to lead to the break, or if it is it certainly isn't allowed to lead to the goal that the break led to. Have I got this right so far?

Celtic ‘as a neutral’ posting reaches football. It was a shit decision but equally we missed a penalty and were asleep for goal number 2. Life goes on

Some Ron Manager to cheer us up. I've supported the English football team forever. No interest in the club game though.

Paddington Bear wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 8:56 am

Biffer wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:22 pm Oh, and I'm sure we're all looking forward to Kane receiving the same level of abuse the black guys did when they missed penalties last year.

Neither will receive anything like what say Beckham did in 98 or Rooney against Portugal etc, both of whom were white the last time I checked

And he absolutely will, every single stadium he goes to in England now will have a rousing rendition of you let your country down aimed at him.

I like neeps wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 10:39 am

Paddington Bear wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 8:56 am

Biffer wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:22 pm Oh, and I'm sure we're all looking forward to Kane receiving the same level of abuse the black guys did when they missed penalties last year.

Neither will receive anything like what say Beckham did in 98 or Rooney against Portugal etc, both of whom were white the last time I checked

And he absolutely will, every single stadium he goes to in England now will have a rousing rendition of you let your country down aimed at him.

Not sure he’ll have effigies burnt or lynched and whilst I haven’t bought a paper I doubt it will reach those levels of vitriol. People have calmed down quite a lot

Paddington Bear wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 11:11 am

I like neeps wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 10:39 am

Paddington Bear wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 8:56 am

Neither will receive anything like what say Beckham did in 98 or Rooney against Portugal etc, both of whom were white the last time I checked

And he absolutely will, every single stadium he goes to in England now will have a rousing rendition of you let your country down aimed at him.

Not sure he’ll have effigies burnt or lynched and whilst I haven’t bought a paper I doubt it will reach those levels of vitriol. People have calmed down quite a lot

No I wouldn't think so... Football fans will absolutely sing a song designed to ridicule an opposition player. Leeds fans sang it to Rashford I remember early in the season.

I like neeps wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 11:23 am

Paddington Bear wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 11:11 am

I like neeps wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 10:39 am

And he absolutely will, every single stadium he goes to in England now will have a rousing rendition of you let your country down aimed at him.

Not sure he’ll have effigies burnt or lynched and whilst I haven’t bought a paper I doubt it will reach those levels of vitriol. People have calmed down quite a lot

No I wouldn't think so... Football fans will absolutely sing a song designed to ridicule an opposition player. Leeds fans sang it to Rashford I remember early in the season.

Yeah no disagreement here, but not convinced its a big deal and Kane is a big enough boy to know it comes with the territory

Biffer wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:20 pm

petej wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:21 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:18 pm Fabulous goal, albeit after a blatant foul.

England have survived earlier matches where they've handed several chances to the opposition early on. Looked like being the same here, but that was a quality goal

Shit reffing. The break only happens due to a blatant foul.

Yeah the goal is due to a foul at the other end of the pitch, not shit defending. Sure.

Considering how many goals are scored in transitions this is a strange comment.

Paddington Bear wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 8:56 am

Biffer wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:22 pm Oh, and I'm sure we're all looking forward to Kane receiving the same level of abuse the black guys did when they missed penalties last year.

Neither will receive anything like what say Beckham did in 98 or Rooney against Portugal etc, both of whom were white the last time I checked

And despite shit stirring from our government and parts of the right wing press the abuse was widely condemned. Biffer should really go watch the BBC gazza documentary to see how truly horrible the press can be. We can be thankful that their influence has diminished. Very grateful to the likes of Southgate and also Prince harry for pushing back at them recently.

I like neeps wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 10:39 am

Paddington Bear wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 8:56 am

Biffer wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:22 pm Oh, and I'm sure we're all looking forward to Kane receiving the same level of abuse the black guys did when they missed penalties last year.

Neither will receive anything like what say Beckham did in 98 or Rooney against Portugal etc, both of whom were white the last time I checked

And he absolutely will, every single stadium he goes to in England now will have a rousing rendition of you let your country down aimed at him.

Given who he plays for, lets hope so

I like neeps wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 11:23 am
No I wouldn't think so... Football fans will absolutely sing a song designed to ridicule an opposition player. Leeds fans sang it to Rashford I remember early in the season.

Biffer wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:55 am

JM2K6 wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 12:01 am

Biffer wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:20 pm

Yeah the goal is due to a foul at the other end of the pitch, not shit defending. Sure.

Weird how you read a post that said "the break only happens" and decided it said "the goal" instead.

So the break doesn’t lead to the goal. Ok.

Everything leads to the goal. You decided that the point about the break was some attempt to excuse shit defending, presumably because you were absolutely trashed when you landed on this threaded and decided to post like a reject from Planet Rugby circa 2016. It is inarguable that if the obvious foul is given, the break doesn't happen.

JM2K6 wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 1:09 pm

Biffer wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:55 am

JM2K6 wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 12:01 am

Weird how you read a post that said "the break only happens" and decided it said "the goal" instead.

So the break doesn’t lead to the goal. Ok.

Everything leads to the goal. You decided that the point about the break was some attempt to excuse shit defending, presumably because you were absolutely trashed when you landed on this threaded and decided to post like a reject from Planet Rugby circa 2016. It is inarguable that if the obvious foul is given, the break doesn't happen.

Somebody’s touchy this morning.

Biffer wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 2:12 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 1:09 pm

Biffer wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:55 am

So the break doesn’t lead to the goal. Ok.

Everything leads to the goal. You decided that the point about the break was some attempt to excuse shit defending, presumably because you were absolutely trashed when you landed on this threaded and decided to post like a reject from Planet Rugby circa 2016. It is inarguable that if the obvious foul is given, the break doesn't happen.

Somebody’s touchy this morning.

No, I genuinely just found it surprising that you decided to act the cunt on here, considering the tone of the thread in general. I'm pretty blasé about the loss.

When satire mimics reality

JM2K6 wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 3:14 pm

Biffer wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 2:12 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 1:09 pm

Everything leads to the goal. You decided that the point about the break was some attempt to excuse shit defending, presumably because you were absolutely trashed when you landed on this threaded and decided to post like a reject from Planet Rugby circa 2016. It is inarguable that if the obvious foul is given, the break doesn't happen.

Somebody’s touchy this morning.

No, I genuinely just found it surprising that you decided to act the cunt on here, considering the tone of the thread in general. I'm pretty blasé about the loss.

Only one person throwing insults about.

Biffer wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 3:48 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 3:14 pm

Biffer wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 2:12 pm

Somebody’s touchy this morning.

No, I genuinely just found it surprising that you decided to act the cunt on here, considering the tone of the thread in general. I'm pretty blasé about the loss.

Only one person throwing insults about.

Because as everyone knows that's the only way to judge behaviour

Fecking christ.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... walks-away

Brendan Rodgers has an uncanny knack of being in the right place at the right time. As Gareth Southgate ponders and the Football Association plans, Rodgers is the most viable alternative. Southgate acolytes will not like the sentiment, but he would be an upgrade.

The only mitigation to the whole article is he didn't propose Big Fat Sam redux or chocolate Pardew.

(In the WC thread as I can't be arsed finding somewhere else to post it)

inactionman wrote: Mon Dec 12, 2022 6:55 pm Fecking christ.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... walks-away

Brendan Rodgers has an uncanny knack of being in the right place at the right time. As Gareth Southgate ponders and the Football Association plans, Rodgers is the most viable alternative. Southgate acolytes will not like the sentiment, but he would be an upgrade.

The only mitigation to the whole article is he didn't propose Big Fat Sam redux or chocolate Pardew.

(In the WC thread as I can't be arsed finding somewhere else to post it)

"There's no Scottish football or golf for Ewan to write about, what shall we do?"

"Get him to write something hilarious about England"

"done"

There was some truly horrible stuff shouted at Beckham, stuff that I'm sure if it was aimed at the person shouting it they would commit serious acts of violence.

That doesn't come with any territory, it's just not acceptable.

Brighton get the oh-so-clever and original homophobic repartee aimed at both the players and the fans, such wit, such eloquence.

My mate told me he laughed his head off when his fourteen year old son chanted back, "You're bi-curious, you're bi-curious"


Did anyone watch the David Baddiel thing the other week, Jews Don't Count?

We've still got a long way to go, no matter how many fuckwits tell you we live in some kind of "Woke-topia"

Tichtheid wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 2:20 pm There was some truly horrible stuff shouted at Beckham, stuff that I'm sure if it was aimed at the person shouting it they would commit serious acts of violence.

That doesn't come with any territory, it's just not acceptable.

Brighton get the oh-so-clever and original homophobic repartee aimed at both the players and the fans, such wit, such eloquence.

My mate told me he laughed his head off when his fourteen year old son chanted back, "You're bi-curious, you're bi-curious"


Did anyone watch the David Baddiel thing the other week, Jews Don't Count?

We've still got a long way to go, no matter how many fuckwits tell you we live in some kind of "Woke-topia"

I was at the Boleyn the first time Man U played West Ham after the Argentina sending off, and some lunatic had brought a mannequin of Beckham on a gallows.

Just bonkers.

All Beckham was ultimately in error for was weakly retaliating to a snide wind-up merchant in the days when it seemed snide wind-up merchants were more acceptable to referees. I'd have thought his honest response to a shithead of a fellow pro would be understood. He was treated like he firebombed an orphanage.

Still, I struggle call it an over-reaction as I can't see any situation where dangling a mannequin on a gallows is an appropriate reaction. A Putin press conference, maybe. But not a man losing a football match.

It does seem football is on an improving gradient in recent years - but, bearing in mind where it started, it's got a fair bit of ground to make up.

inactionman wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 3:30 pm

Tichtheid wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 2:20 pm There was some truly horrible stuff shouted at Beckham, stuff that I'm sure if it was aimed at the person shouting it they would commit serious acts of violence.

That doesn't come with any territory, it's just not acceptable.

Brighton get the oh-so-clever and original homophobic repartee aimed at both the players and the fans, such wit, such eloquence.

My mate told me he laughed his head off when his fourteen year old son chanted back, "You're bi-curious, you're bi-curious"


Did anyone watch the David Baddiel thing the other week, Jews Don't Count?

We've still got a long way to go, no matter how many fuckwits tell you we live in some kind of "Woke-topia"

I was at the Boleyn the first time Man U played West Ham after the Argentina sending off, and some lunatic had brought a mannequin of Beckham on a gallows.

Just bonkers.

All Beckham was ultimately in error for was weakly retaliating to a snide wind-up merchant in the days when it seemed snide wind-up merchants were more acceptable to referees. I'd have thought his honest response to a shithead of a fellow pro would be understood. He was treated like he firebombed an orphanage.

Still, I struggle call it an over-reaction as I can't see any situation where dangling a mannequin on a gallows is an appropriate reaction. A Putin press conference, maybe. But not a man losing a football match.

It does seem football is on an improving gradient in recent years - but, bearing in mind where it started, it's got a fair bit of ground to make up.

Some bastard shouted, "I hope your kids get cancer" at Beckham.

Tichtheid wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 3:39 pm

inactionman wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 3:30 pm

Tichtheid wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 2:20 pm There was some truly horrible stuff shouted at Beckham, stuff that I'm sure if it was aimed at the person shouting it they would commit serious acts of violence.

That doesn't come with any territory, it's just not acceptable.

Brighton get the oh-so-clever and original homophobic repartee aimed at both the players and the fans, such wit, such eloquence.

My mate told me he laughed his head off when his fourteen year old son chanted back, "You're bi-curious, you're bi-curious"


Did anyone watch the David Baddiel thing the other week, Jews Don't Count?

We've still got a long way to go, no matter how many fuckwits tell you we live in some kind of "Woke-topia"

I was at the Boleyn the first time Man U played West Ham after the Argentina sending off, and some lunatic had brought a mannequin of Beckham on a gallows.

Just bonkers.

All Beckham was ultimately in error for was weakly retaliating to a snide wind-up merchant in the days when it seemed snide wind-up merchants were more acceptable to referees. I'd have thought his honest response to a shithead of a fellow pro would be understood. He was treated like he firebombed an orphanage.

Still, I struggle call it an over-reaction as I can't see any situation where dangling a mannequin on a gallows is an appropriate reaction. A Putin press conference, maybe. But not a man losing a football match.

It does seem football is on an improving gradient in recent years - but, bearing in mind where it started, it's got a fair bit of ground to make up.

Some bastard shouted, "I hope your kids get cancer" at Beckham.

I'd sadly become a bit immune to nasty comments at football but someone actually going to the effort of making a mannequin was a new one on me.

Uncle fester wrote: Tue Nov 22, 2022 2:10 pm So Messi getting a head start on disappointing at yet another world cup?

This aged well!