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Slick wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 9:37 am

Rinkals wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 5:36 am Oh, okay, no I didn't see that.

Not that I agree with it, though; I suspect that overweening patriarchy is probably the underlying cause of this mess.

Down with Zapps patriarchy

Not quite what I meant.

sockwithaticket wrote: Sun May 29, 2022 11:02 am

Tichtheid wrote: Sun May 29, 2022 10:17 am

It has always seemed to me that 2A fetishists ignore:
- the part about a well-regulated militia and it's role in protecting the state, written in the context of having no standing army
- that they have the national guard which fulfil those criteria and also now have a standing army.
- that the common weaponry of the day (muskets) could, at best, fire one one round every 15 seconds and was wildly inaccurate.
- writings from the founding fathers that specifically advocate for constant revision of the constitution

I suppose that while it does not necessarily follow that all 2A defenders/constitutional conservatives are originalists, many are...in which case, an originalist interpetation of the 2A would surely permit private ownership of virtually any weaponry imaginable, especially if the underlying purpose is to enable the citizenry to challenge the sovereignty of the state, should the need arise.

I always wanted an F-22, personally.

5 dead in a hospital shoot up today, well done yanks

Slick wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 7:33 am 5 dead in a hospital shoot up today, well done yanks

saves time i suppose

Happyhooker wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 7:40 am

Slick wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 7:33 am 5 dead in a hospital shoot up today, well done yanks

saves time i suppose

Article I read said he blamed his doctor for the severe back pain he was going through. Topped himself after killing him and 3/4 others. Had recently bought the weapon. Fucking just do yourself in without taking others down, buddy!!!

A brainwashed society that doesn't take personal responsibility or even see reality ...

Niegs wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 9:26 pm

Happyhooker wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 7:40 am

Slick wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 7:33 am 5 dead in a hospital shoot up today, well done yanks

saves time i suppose

Article I read said he blamed his doctor for the severe back pain he was going through. Topped himself after killing him and 3/4 others. Had recently bought the weapon. Fucking just do yourself in without taking others down, buddy!!!

A brainwashed society that doesn't take personal responsibility or even see reality ...

The fear of far right infiltration in policing has been present for a long time. Remember the SWAT team guy openly displaying Qanon insignia with Biden in the background?

Some of those who work forces are the same that burn crosses



Yeah it's not new at all.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ice-report
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/sp ... extremism/
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/cu ... g-1167304/
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ ... nt-concern


+ you get people who've either been in far right groups of their own free will or infiltrated them talking openly about the cops high fiving the likes of the Proud Boys, telling them they've got their back, doing their work for them, etc

JM2K6 wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 4:47 pm Some of those who work forces are the same that burn crosses



Yeah it's not new at all.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ice-report
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/sp ... extremism/
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/cu ... g-1167304/
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ ... nt-concern


+ you get people who've either been in far right groups of their own free will or infiltrated them talking openly about the cops high fiving the likes of the Proud Boys, telling them they've got their back, doing their work for them, etc

Spot on. Many academics and civil rights organisations state that the modern day American police force descends from the slave patrols. They would say upholding white supremacy, oppressing blacks and defending capitalism has been the name of the game all along.

JM2K6 wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 4:47 pm Some of those who work forces are the same that burn crosses



Yeah it's not new at all.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ice-report
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/sp ... extremism/
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/cu ... g-1167304/
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ ... nt-concern


+ you get people who've either been in far right groups of their own free will or infiltrated them talking openly about the cops high fiving the likes of the Proud Boys, telling them they've got their back, doing their work for them, etc

You quote my favourite band, the best gig I've ever been at was them at Glasgow Barrowlands in '93.

The Jon Spencer Blues Explosion run them a close second as a live act, though

You lucky bastards, I wanted to see them at the Mean Fiddler in 93 but being only 15 my Mum would not give me permission.

Hugo wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 7:57 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 4:47 pm Some of those who work forces are the same that burn crosses



Yeah it's not new at all.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ice-report
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/sp ... extremism/
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/cu ... g-1167304/
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ ... nt-concern


+ you get people who've either been in far right groups of their own free will or infiltrated them talking openly about the cops high fiving the likes of the Proud Boys, telling them they've got their back, doing their work for them, etc

Spot on. Many academics and civil rights organisations state that the modern day American police force descends from the slave patrols. They would say upholding white supremacy, oppressing blacks and defending capitalism has been the name of the game all along.

I would have thought that over 2 decades they'd have identified far more than 'hundreds' of police officers from the 800,000 total if your academics are correct.

That Guardian article didn't age well either. BLM lol. Defund the police lol.

Seems this could have turned out very nasty

Thirty-one people affiliated with the white nationalist group Patriot Front were arrested near an annual LGBTQ+ event Saturday in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, police said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/31 ... -rcna33136

notfatcat wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 11:49 pm

Hugo wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 7:57 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 4:47 pm Some of those who work forces are the same that burn crosses



Yeah it's not new at all.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ice-report
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/sp ... extremism/
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/cu ... g-1167304/
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ ... nt-concern


+ you get people who've either been in far right groups of their own free will or infiltrated them talking openly about the cops high fiving the likes of the Proud Boys, telling them they've got their back, doing their work for them, etc

Spot on. Many academics and civil rights organisations state that the modern day American police force descends from the slave patrols. They would say upholding white supremacy, oppressing blacks and defending capitalism has been the name of the game all along.

I would have thought that over 2 decades they'd have identified far more than 'hundreds' of police officers from the 800,000 total if your academics are correct.

That Guardian article didn't age well either. BLM lol. Defund the police lol.

The thing is the gangs that operate in the American police benefit from powerful unions, prosecutors who are reluctant to hold them accountable & a mafia type code of silence. The LA sheriffs have a gang operating within them called the Banditos but it is nigh on impossible to do anything about them. They basically operate above the law.

tabascoboy wrote: Sun Jun 12, 2022 5:54 pm Seems this could have turned out very nasty

Thirty-one people affiliated with the white nationalist group Patriot Front were arrested near an annual LGBTQ+ event Saturday in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, police said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/31 ... -rcna33136

Conspiracy to "riot" rather than "commit terrorism" downgrades it a little too much, imo. Buncha cunts.

This was the charge by the cops, a judge might decide otherwise.

Marylandolorian wrote: Mon Jun 13, 2022 1:53 am This was the charge by the cops, a judge might decide otherwise.

I get the feeling that judges in the US are appointed more in line with their political position than their ability to dispense justice fairly; you frequently see the sobriquet "Trump-appointed" or "Obama-appointed" appended.

If the judge has tunes from Trump's rallies on his cell phone, could we see charges downgraded further?

Rinkals wrote: Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:54 am

Marylandolorian wrote: Mon Jun 13, 2022 1:53 am This was the charges by the cops, a judge might decide otherwise.

I get the feeling that judges in the US are appointed more in line with their political position than their ability to dispense justice fairly; you frequently see the sobriquet "Trump-appointed" or "Obama-appointed" appended.

If the judge has tunes from Trump's rallies on his cell phone, could we see charges downgraded further?

Only Federal judges are appointed by the prez, the others are free electrons

In this case, not much will happen as they have barely nothing to charge them.
NO guns founded in the truck, people should check their sources before posting twatter links

Rinkals wrote: Seriously, this is one subject where I'm inclined to feel that being male disqualifies any opinion one might have on abortion from being considered.

I really don't think that, as men, that we can fully grasp the enormity of having to make a decision to terminate a pregnancy ...

Umm, you do realize that men can get pregnant too ... ???

Marylandolorian wrote: Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:18 pm

Rinkals wrote: Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:54 am

Marylandolorian wrote: Mon Jun 13, 2022 1:53 am This was the charges by the cops, a judge might decide otherwise.

I get the feeling that judges in the US are appointed more in line with their political position than their ability to dispense justice fairly; you frequently see the sobriquet "Trump-appointed" or "Obama-appointed" appended.

If the judge has tunes from Trump's rallies on his cell phone, could we see charges downgraded further?

Only Federal judges are appointed by the prez, the others are free electrons

In this case, not much will happen as they have barely nothing to charge them.
NO guns founded in the truck, people should check their sources before posting twatter links

Well no but nonetheless had that group made their target the cops dealing with them would most likely have had to assume that they could have concealed guns because "this is America", might still have turned into a messy situation.

In Tulsa, police responded to reports of a man wandering around wearing body armour and carrying an AR15. On stopping the man they determined he was behaving legally due to Oklahoma’s open carry laws. They then arrested him for carrying brass knuckles, which are illegal.

https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/crime ... a6b13.html

Biffer wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 6:10 pm In Tulsa, police responded to reports of a man wandering around wearing body armour and carrying an AR15. On stopping the man they determined he was behaving legally due to Oklahoma’s open carry laws. They then arrested him for carrying brass knuckles, which are illegal.

https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/crime ... a6b13.html

What a crazy country

ia801310 wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 6:34 pm

Biffer wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 6:10 pm In Tulsa, police responded to reports of a man wandering around wearing body armour and carrying an AR15. On stopping the man they determined he was behaving legally due to Oklahoma’s open carry laws. They then arrested him for carrying brass knuckles, which are illegal.

https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/crime ... a6b13.html

What a crazy country

Indeed. I saw a clip of Matthew McConaughey talking at the WH a few weeks ago and he said "we have to raise the age limit of buying an AR-15 to 21!".

I shouldn't have laughed but I must admit the sheer perversity of it tickled me - they don't trust you to drink until you are 21 but you can own one of these weapons of mass destruction when you are still a teenager.

Biffer wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 6:10 pm In Tulsa, police responded to reports of a man wandering around wearing body armour and carrying an AR15. On stopping the man they determined he was behaving legally due to Oklahoma’s open carry laws. They then arrested him for carrying brass knuckles, which are illegal.

https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/crime ... a6b13.html

Pick and choose I see

He was arrested, however, after he was found to have a recently-issued unrelated warrant and to be in possession of an over .45-caliber firearm and brass knuckles, both of which are illegal in Oklahoma.

Biffer wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 6:10 pm In Tulsa, police responded to reports of a man wandering around wearing body armour and carrying an AR15. On stopping the man they determined he was behaving legally due to Oklahoma’s open carry laws. They then arrested him for carrying brass knuckles, which are illegal.

https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/crime ... a6b13.html

Pick and choose I see

He was arrested, however, after he was found to have a recently-issued unrelated warrant and to be in possession of an over .45-caliber firearm and brass knuckles, both of which are illegal in Oklahoma.

I’ve been in the US for 30 years and I’m still astonished about people able to legally carry assault rifles in some states, I feel like I’m living in a different county than these folks.

The right are okay with the feds trampling over state rights as long as it's pushing their agenda it seems.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61915237

Uncle fester wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 6:17 pm https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... dApp_Other

There's a certain irony when it happens on Independence Day isn't there.

The GOP will be all over this, quoting Chicago has strict gun laws yet this.. Just forget that neighbouring states, you can buy a gun with impunity...

Shooter still at large.

White male arrested.
Not shot multiple times...

TB63 wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:18 am White male arrested.
Not shot multiple times...

The police are clearly pro-life

Someone in Denmark decided he wanted to be in on this.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/copenhagen ... ping-mall/

And another one in Philadelphia. Guy waited until the fireworks were going off to cover the sound of him shooting

No matter how frequently these happen the sheer scope and extent of the problem is mind boggling to me. More than one mass shooting a day.

Look at some of the batshit advertising they are using to sell guns.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... er/670621/

Hugo wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:11 am No matter how frequently these happen the sheer scope and extent of the problem is mind boggling to me. More than one mass shooting a day.

Friends of ours from near Boston were over recently. This is only one couple, but they said their own behaviour and that of others is now being affected and they are becoming more cautious about where, and to what type of event, they go.

The husband is a keen hunter so they are comfortable with guns.

weegie01 wrote: Tue Jul 26, 2022 3:08 pm

Hugo wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:11 am No matter how frequently these happen the sheer scope and extent of the problem is mind boggling to me. More than one mass shooting a day.

Friends of ours from near Boston were over recently. This is only one couple, but they said their own behaviour and that of others is now being affected and they are becoming more cautious about where, and to what type of event, they go.

The husband is a keen hunter so they are comfortable with guns.

Clearly they have a problem, & legislators need to act !!

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they need to redefine a mass shooting as one where >25 are killed or injured !

Not quite a mass shooting, but 3 Dutch soldiers over in the US for training were shot out on civvy street and one of them has died.

5 minutes after reading about that I saw that a member of a band I follow's tour crew became a bystander victim of a drive by. He's going to recover, but, being a crew member for a mid-sized metalcore band, he doesn't have health insurance and thus is relying on Go Fund me and the band's reach to sort out substantial medical expenses.

Every now and then you just get served with a reminder that Ameria is so fucked.