Another mass shooting in the US

[Tichtheid]

[Uncle fester]

Can we simplify this thread a little, can anybody who thinks automatic assault rifles should be freely available for sale put up their hands please?

[Uncle fester]

[sockwithaticket]

It has always seemed to me that 2A fetishists ignore:
- the part about a well-regulated militia and it's role in protecting the state, written in the context of having no standing army
- that they have the national guard which fulfil those criteria and also now have a standing army.
- that the common weaponry of the day (muskets) could, at best, fire one one round every 15 seconds and was wildly inaccurate.
- writings from the founding fathers that specifically advocate for constant revision of the constitution

[Rhubarb & Custard]

It has always seemed to me that 2A fetishists ignore:
- the part about a well-regulated militia and it's role in protecting the state, written in the context of having no standing army
- that they have the national guard which fulfil those criteria and also now have a standing army.
- that the common weaponry of the day (muskets) could, at best, fire one one round every 15 seconds and was wildly inaccurate.
- writings from the founding fathers that specifically advocate for constant revision of the constitution

And they were seeking language that would separate them from certain British norms. They'd have known going back over the years only the upper classes in Britain were allowed to carry a sword, and that around 100 years before the US constitution was written the British parliament passed an act that Protestants were allowed arms for their defence. So the US were in part merely showing they were free of British dictates and all were equal (apart from women, blacks, gays....)

[fishfoodie]

I'd post the Irish process, but I'm not sure the servers would have the storage.

[Kawazaki]

I'd post the Irish process, but I'm not sure the servers would have the storage.

'Wear a balaclava' won't take up too much bandwidth.

[Insane_Homer]

Maybe they don't do that because the proportion of young men who buy guns who go on to kill someone is extremely small, whereas the proportion of women who want an abortion who go on to kill their unborn baby is very high. Chalk and cheese.

Proportion has fuck all to do with anything and it's a hilariously stupid false equivalency, terrorism & voter fraud dispels that quite easily. like when 1 *failed* shoe bomber changed the way we fly forever.
214 mass shooting in the USA in *check notes* 148 days (aka this year so far) - 27 of those at schools. For proportion (sic!), 1 Mass shooting in the EU with 1 fatality.

1 young man killed 22 fucking people, that's the proportional you dumbass. Without legal access to an AR15 he'd have been stopped by the chickenshit police before entering the school and not left to go on a rampage for an hour because they were *check notes* scared to take him on because he had *check notes* an AR15 assault rifle with tons of ammo.

[Torquemada 1420]

Can we simplify this thread a little, can anybody who thinks automatic assault rifles should be freely available for sale put up their hands please?

I'm sure there will be someone.

[geordie_6]

Can we simplify this thread a little, can anybody who thinks automatic assault rifles should be freely available for sale put up their hands please?

I'm sure there will be someone.

They are probably dumb enough to just put their hand up rather than actually post something.

[Rinkals]

Maybe they don't do that because the proportion of young men who buy guns who go on to kill someone is extremely small, whereas the proportion of women who want an abortion who go on to kill their unborn baby is very high. Chalk and cheese.

Proportion has fuck all to do with anything and it's a hilariously stupid false equivalency, terrorism & voter fraud dispels that quite easily. like when 1 *failed* shoe bomber changed the way we fly forever.
214 mass shooting in the USA in *check notes* 148 days (aka this year so far) - 27 of those at schools. For proportion (sic!), 1 Mass shooting in the EU with 1 fatality.

1 young man killed 22 fucking people, that's the proportional you dumbass. Without legal access to an AR15 he'd have been stopped by the chickenshit police before entering the school and not left to go on a rampage for an hour because they were *check notes* scared to take him on because he had *check notes* an AR15 assault rifle with tons of ammo.

Seriously, this is one subject where I'm inclined to feel that being male disqualifies any opinion one might have on abortion from being considered.

I really don't think that, as men, that we can fully grasp the enormity of having to make a decision to terminate a pregnancy.

Obviously, Fatcat is the exception.

[Zapp Bannigan]

Maybe they don't do that because the proportion of young men who buy guns who go on to kill someone is extremely small, whereas the proportion of women who want an abortion who go on to kill their unborn baby is very high. Chalk and cheese.

Proportion has fuck all to do with anything and it's a hilariously stupid false equivalency, terrorism & voter fraud dispels that quite easily. like when 1 *failed* shoe bomber changed the way we fly forever.
214 mass shooting in the USA in *check notes* 148 days (aka this year so far) - 27 of those at schools. For proportion (sic!), 1 Mass shooting in the EU with 1 fatality.

1 young man killed 22 fucking people, that's the proportional you dumbass. Without legal access to an AR15 he'd have been stopped by the chickenshit police before entering the school and not left to go on a rampage for an hour because they were *check notes* scared to take him on because he had *check notes* an AR15 assault rifle with tons of ammo.

Seriously, this is one subject where I'm inclined to feel that being male disqualifies any opinion one might have on abortion from being considered.

I really don't think that, as men, that we can fully grasp the enormity of having to make a decision to terminate a pregnancy.

Obviously, Fatcat is the exception.

Please read my post on the previous page.
You might not have seen it, so I'm letting this one slide.

[Jock42]

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[MungoMan]

Everyone capable of carrying a semi-automatic or automatic long-arm should be offered one free of charge. If everyone is similarly armed, it's the same as nobody being armed.

Aside from the blood, screaming, bullet-holes and noise, of course.

[Torquemada 1420]

Maybe they don't do that because the proportion of young men who buy guns who go on to kill someone is extremely small, whereas the proportion of women who want an abortion who go on to kill their unborn baby is very high. Chalk and cheese.

Proportion has fuck all to do with anything and it's a hilariously stupid false equivalency, terrorism & voter fraud dispels that quite easily. like when 1 *failed* shoe bomber changed the way we fly forever.
214 mass shooting in the USA in *check notes* 148 days (aka this year so far) - 27 of those at schools. For proportion (sic!), 1 Mass shooting in the EU with 1 fatality.

1 young man killed 22 fucking people, that's the proportional you dumbass. Without legal access to an AR15 he'd have been stopped by the chickenshit police before entering the school and not left to go on a rampage for an hour because they were *check notes* scared to take him on because he had *check notes* an AR15 assault rifle with tons of ammo.

Seriously, this is one subject where I'm inclined to feel that being male disqualifies any opinion one might have on abortion from being considered.

I really don't think that, as men, that we can fully grasp the enormity of having to make a decision to terminate a pregnancy.

Obviously, Fatcat is the exception.

I'm with you. I really don't think as men we need to be dictating to women what to do with their bodies.

[Rinkals]

Proportion has fuck all to do with anything and it's a hilariously stupid false equivalency, terrorism & voter fraud dispels that quite easily. like when 1 *failed* shoe bomber changed the way we fly forever.
214 mass shooting in the USA in *check notes* 148 days (aka this year so far) - 27 of those at schools. For proportion (sic!), 1 Mass shooting in the EU with 1 fatality.

1 young man killed 22 fucking people, that's the proportional you dumbass. Without legal access to an AR15 he'd have been stopped by the chickenshit police before entering the school and not left to go on a rampage for an hour because they were *check notes* scared to take him on because he had *check notes* an AR15 assault rifle with tons of ammo.

Seriously, this is one subject where I'm inclined to feel that being male disqualifies any opinion one might have on abortion from being considered.

I really don't think that, as men, that we can fully grasp the enormity of having to make a decision to terminate a pregnancy.

Obviously, Fatcat is the exception.

Please read my post on the previous page.
You might not have seen it, so I'm letting this one slide.

Presumably your objection is regarding my dig at Fatcat rather than the belief that men are well within their rights to demand that abortion be made illegal?

[Raggs]

Seriously, this is one subject where I'm inclined to feel that being male disqualifies any opinion one might have on abortion from being considered.

I really don't think that, as men, that we can fully grasp the enormity of having to make a decision to terminate a pregnancy.

Obviously, Fatcat is the exception.

Please read my post on the previous page.
You might not have seen it, so I'm letting this one slide.

Presumably your objection is regarding my dig at Fatcat rather than the belief that men are well within their rights to demand that abortion be made illegal?

He's referring to no more abortion talk on this thread. Hence the dedicated abortion thread.

[Rinkals]

Oh, okay, no I didn't see that.

Not that I agree with it, though; I suspect that overweening patriarchy is probably the underlying cause of this mess.

[Slick]

Oh, okay, no I didn't see that.

Not that I agree with it, though; I suspect that overweening patriarchy is probably the underlying cause of this mess.

Down with Zapps patriarchy

[Tilly Orifice]

It's not the patriarchy that's objectionable, it's the overweening. Nobody likes overweening.

[petej]

Thought this from medcram was interesting. Social media really is poison.

[SaintK]

It's not the patriarchy that's objectionable, it's the overweening. Nobody likes overweening.

I wouldn't know. I've never knowingly overweened!

[TB63]

[Rinkals]

Oh, okay, no I didn't see that.

Not that I agree with it, though; I suspect that overweening patriarchy is probably the underlying cause of this mess.

Down with Zapps patriarchy

Not quite what I meant.

[Fonz]

It has always seemed to me that 2A fetishists ignore:
- the part about a well-regulated militia and it's role in protecting the state, written in the context of having no standing army
- that they have the national guard which fulfil those criteria and also now have a standing army.
- that the common weaponry of the day (muskets) could, at best, fire one one round every 15 seconds and was wildly inaccurate.
- writings from the founding fathers that specifically advocate for constant revision of the constitution

I suppose that while it does not necessarily follow that all 2A defenders/constitutional conservatives are originalists, many are...in which case, an originalist interpetation of the 2A would surely permit private ownership of virtually any weaponry imaginable, especially if the underlying purpose is to enable the citizenry to challenge the sovereignty of the state, should the need arise.

I always wanted an F-22, personally.

[Slick]

5 dead in a hospital shoot up today, well done yanks

[Happyhooker]

5 dead in a hospital shoot up today, well done yanks

saves time i suppose

[Niegs]

5 dead in a hospital shoot up today, well done yanks

saves time i suppose

Article I read said he blamed his doctor for the severe back pain he was going through. Topped himself after killing him and 3/4 others. Had recently bought the weapon. Fucking just do yourself in without taking others down, buddy!!!

A brainwashed society that doesn't take personal responsibility or even see reality ...

[Uncle fester]

5 dead in a hospital shoot up today, well done yanks

saves time i suppose

Article I read said he blamed his doctor for the severe back pain he was going through. Topped himself after killing him and 3/4 others. Had recently bought the weapon. Fucking just do yourself in without taking others down, buddy!!!

A brainwashed society that doesn't take personal responsibility or even see reality ...

The fear of far right infiltration in policing has been present for a long time. Remember the SWAT team guy openly displaying Qanon insignia with Biden in the background?

[JM2K6]

Some of those who work forces are the same that burn crosses



Yeah it's not new at all.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ice-report
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/sp ... extremism/
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/cu ... g-1167304/
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ ... nt-concern


+ you get people who've either been in far right groups of their own free will or infiltrated them talking openly about the cops high fiving the likes of the Proud Boys, telling them they've got their back, doing their work for them, etc

[Hugo]

Some of those who work forces are the same that burn crosses



Yeah it's not new at all.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ice-report
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/sp ... extremism/
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/cu ... g-1167304/
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ ... nt-concern


+ you get people who've either been in far right groups of their own free will or infiltrated them talking openly about the cops high fiving the likes of the Proud Boys, telling them they've got their back, doing their work for them, etc

Spot on. Many academics and civil rights organisations state that the modern day American police force descends from the slave patrols. They would say upholding white supremacy, oppressing blacks and defending capitalism has been the name of the game all along.

[Tichtheid]

Some of those who work forces are the same that burn crosses



Yeah it's not new at all.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ice-report
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/sp ... extremism/
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/cu ... g-1167304/
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ ... nt-concern


+ you get people who've either been in far right groups of their own free will or infiltrated them talking openly about the cops high fiving the likes of the Proud Boys, telling them they've got their back, doing their work for them, etc

You quote my favourite band, the best gig I've ever been at was them at Glasgow Barrowlands in '93.

The Jon Spencer Blues Explosion run them a close second as a live act, though

[Hugo]

You lucky bastards, I wanted to see them at the Mean Fiddler in 93 but being only 15 my Mum would not give me permission.

[notfatcat]

Some of those who work forces are the same that burn crosses



Yeah it's not new at all.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ice-report
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/sp ... extremism/
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/cu ... g-1167304/
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ ... nt-concern


+ you get people who've either been in far right groups of their own free will or infiltrated them talking openly about the cops high fiving the likes of the Proud Boys, telling them they've got their back, doing their work for them, etc

Spot on. Many academics and civil rights organisations state that the modern day American police force descends from the slave patrols. They would say upholding white supremacy, oppressing blacks and defending capitalism has been the name of the game all along.

I would have thought that over 2 decades they'd have identified far more than 'hundreds' of police officers from the 800,000 total if your academics are correct.

That Guardian article didn't age well either. BLM lol. Defund the police lol.

[tabascoboy]

Seems this could have turned out very nasty

Thirty-one people affiliated with the white nationalist group Patriot Front were arrested near an annual LGBTQ+ event Saturday in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, police said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/31 ... -rcna33136

[Hugo]

Some of those who work forces are the same that burn crosses



Yeah it's not new at all.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ice-report
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/sp ... extremism/
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/cu ... g-1167304/
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ ... nt-concern


+ you get people who've either been in far right groups of their own free will or infiltrated them talking openly about the cops high fiving the likes of the Proud Boys, telling them they've got their back, doing their work for them, etc

Spot on. Many academics and civil rights organisations state that the modern day American police force descends from the slave patrols. They would say upholding white supremacy, oppressing blacks and defending capitalism has been the name of the game all along.

I would have thought that over 2 decades they'd have identified far more than 'hundreds' of police officers from the 800,000 total if your academics are correct.

That Guardian article didn't age well either. BLM lol. Defund the police lol.

The thing is the gangs that operate in the American police benefit from powerful unions, prosecutors who are reluctant to hold them accountable & a mafia type code of silence. The LA sheriffs have a gang operating within them called the Banditos but it is nigh on impossible to do anything about them. They basically operate above the law.

[Niegs]

Seems this could have turned out very nasty

Thirty-one people affiliated with the white nationalist group Patriot Front were arrested near an annual LGBTQ+ event Saturday in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, police said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/31 ... -rcna33136

Conspiracy to "riot" rather than "commit terrorism" downgrades it a little too much, imo. Buncha cunts.

[Rinkals]

This was the charge by the cops, a judge might decide otherwise.

I get the feeling that judges in the US are appointed more in line with their political position than their ability to dispense justice fairly; you frequently see the sobriquet "Trump-appointed" or "Obama-appointed" appended.

If the judge has tunes from Trump's rallies on his cell phone, could we see charges downgraded further?

[convoluted]

Seriously, this is one subject where I'm inclined to feel that being male disqualifies any opinion one might have on abortion from being considered.

I really don't think that, as men, that we can fully grasp the enormity of having to make a decision to terminate a pregnancy ...

Umm, you do realize that men can get pregnant too ... ???

[tabascoboy]

This was the charges by the cops, a judge might decide otherwise.

I get the feeling that judges in the US are appointed more in line with their political position than their ability to dispense justice fairly; you frequently see the sobriquet "Trump-appointed" or "Obama-appointed" appended.

If the judge has tunes from Trump's rallies on his cell phone, could we see charges downgraded further?

Only Federal judges are appointed by the prez, the others are free electrons

In this case, not much will happen as they have barely nothing to charge them.
NO guns founded in the truck, people should check their sources before posting twatter links

Well no but nonetheless had that group made their target the cops dealing with them would most likely have had to assume that they could have concealed guns because "this is America", might still have turned into a messy situation.