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Torquemada 1420 wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:41 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:01 pm Kimber wrote a decent article on this QdK thing: https://wickets.substack.com/p/quinton- ... instead-of

It's worth a read.



Shit tournament so far, most of the pitches have been pretty crap for T20, a format that is at its best when the conditions favour the batsmen. Too many teams limping to low totals.

You see, I prefer this. But yes, T20 was formatted to appeal to the US style sport audience i.e. the bigger the score, the better the spectacle surely must be......

JM2K6 wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:01 pm Kimber wrote a decent article on this QdK thing: https://wickets.substack.com/p/quinton- ... instead-of

It's worth a read.

JM2K6 wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:44 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:41 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:01 pm Kimber wrote a decent article on this QdK thing: https://wickets.substack.com/p/quinton- ... instead-of

It's worth a read.



Shit tournament so far, most of the pitches have been pretty crap for T20, a format that is at its best when the conditions favour the batsmen. Too many teams limping to low totals.

You see, I prefer this. But yes, T20 was formatted to appeal to the US style sport audience i.e. the bigger the score, the better the spectacle surely must be......

It's not meant to be like a substandard county match. T20 is designed to make batters take gambles when batting, and for bowlers to consider a different approach to that in Tests and some ODIs. Instead we get guff like most of these matches, where batters struggle to hit boundaries, bowlers are "bowling dry", and it's like watching paint dry as it lacks all the context & the framework that makes Test cricket in the same conditions work so much better.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:50 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:44 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:41 pm
You see, I prefer this. But yes, T20 was formatted to appeal to the US style sport audience i.e. the bigger the score, the better the spectacle surely must be......

It's not meant to be like a substandard county match. T20 is designed to make batters take gambles when batting, and for bowlers to consider a different approach to that in Tests and some ODIs. Instead we get guff like most of these matches, where batters struggle to hit boundaries, bowlers are "bowling dry", and it's like watching paint dry as it lacks all the context & the framework that makes Test cricket in the same conditions work so much better.

Maybe it's too far the other way but I have no interest in games where the opening side makes 260-3 and is defeated by 261-5. There is something inherently wrong in a format where the principle objective of cricket: bowl out the opposition to win, is rarely the method of winning. IPL really is sh*t.

Rinkals wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:40 pm

Slick wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:08 pm

Rinkals wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:56 pm I notice that both Scotland and Namibia took the knee before the game.



I really don't understand why it's so hard. Why it's something you would go home for. Why it's something you would refuse to play for your country over. And why you would be happy to potentially sabotage the chances of your National side and your team mates.

The only impact it seems to be having is middle aged white blokes arguing over who is and isn't doing it.

I hope you're right, but it can potentially become a distraction and even divide the team.

Apart from the fact that one of our best players has removed himself.

JM2K6 wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:56 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:50 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:44 pm

It's not meant to be like a substandard county match. T20 is designed to make batters take gambles when batting, and for bowlers to consider a different approach to that in Tests and some ODIs. Instead we get guff like most of these matches, where batters struggle to hit boundaries, bowlers are "bowling dry", and it's like watching paint dry as it lacks all the context & the framework that makes Test cricket in the same conditions work so much better.

Maybe it's too far the other way but I have no interest in games where the opening side makes 260-3 and is defeated by 261-5. There is something inherently wrong in a format where the principle objective of cricket: bowl out the opposition to win, is rarely the method of winning. IPL really is sh*t.

245/6 is the highest chase in a T20 international...

But yes, if you don't like limited overs cricket - ODIs also rarely see a team bowled out - then I can see how you might enjoy a T20 tournament featuring loads of matches that have little of the stuff that makes limited overs cricket enjoyable in its own way.

Anyway, glad you like it. Not sure it's going to end up as a memorable* or popular tournament in the grand scheme of things, and that's a shame.


*barring some insane sporting drama or something horrible happening

Rinkals wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:38 pm

sorCrer wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:48 pm

Rinkals wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:44 pm

Not if your principle is pointless.

Then you just look like a dickhead.

How can it possibly be pointless? Surely for e.g. if you are an atheist it doesn't mean you have the right to tell someone of faith that their principles on kneeling are pointless?

It's pointless because it's arbitrary and he's making it up as he's going along.

It's like people claiming that their religion means that they are exempt from wearing a mask: you know damn well that their religion makes no such provision.

Insane_Homer wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 5:56 am Has he made his statement yet?

FalseBayFC wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:10 am

Insane_Homer wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 5:56 am Has he made his statement yet?

Oh Jeez. Being a Saffer is so taxing sometimes. We always have some bullshit going on. I was hoping we were going to do a dark horse, flying under the radar kind of thing in this comp. Instead we (QDK) manage to turn it into a shitshow. And as I type, one of three loadshedding sessions for the day starts! Vokken!

sorCrer wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 6:26 pmI wouldn't kneel for any man or cause. Are you telling me that I'm making it up?

Cricket SA released this statement on behalf SA wicketkeeper Quinton de Kock on Thursday:

I would like to start by saying sorry to my teammates, and the fans back home.

I never ever wanted to make this a Quinton issue.

I understand the importance of standing against racism, and I also understand the responsibility of us as players to set an example.

If me taking a knee helps to educate others, and makes the lives of others better, I am more than happy to do so.

I did not, in any way, mean to disrespect anyone by not playing against West Indies, especially the West Indian team themselves.

Maybe some people don't understand that we were just hit with this on Tuesday morning, on the way to a game.

I am deeply sorry for all the hurt, confusion and anger that I have caused. I was quiet on this very important issue until now.

But I feel I have to explain myself a little bit.

For those who don't know, I come from a mixed race family.

My half-sisters are Coloured and my step mom is Black.

For me, Black lives have mattered since I was born.

Not just because there was an international movement.

The rights and equality of all people is more important than any individual.

I was raised to understand that we all have rights, and they are important.

I felt like my rights were taken away when I was told what we had to do in the way that we were told.

Since our chat with the board last night, which was very emotional, I think we all have a better understanding of their intentions as well.

I wish this had happened sooner, because what happened on match day could have been avoided. I know I have an example to set.

We were previously told we had the choice to do what we felt we wanted to do.

I chose to keep my thoughts to myself, and thought of the pride of playing for my family and my country. I didn't understand why I had to prove it with a gesture, when I live and learn and love people from all walks of life every day.

When you are told what to do, with no discussion, I felt like it takes away the meaning.

If I was racist, I could easily have taken the knee and lied, which is wrong and doesn’t build a better society.

Those who have grown up with me and played with me, know what type of person I am. I've been called a lot of things as a cricketer.

Doff. Stupid. Selfish. Immature.

But those didn't hurt.

Being called a racist because of a misunderstanding hurts me deeply. It hurts my family. It hurts my pregnant wife.

I am not a racist.

In my heart of hearts, I know that.

And I think those who know me know that. I know I'm not great with words, but I've tried my best to explain how truly sorry I am for making like this is about me.

It is not. I won't lie, I was shocked that we were told on the way to an important match that there was an instruction that we had to follow, with a perceived “or else.”

I don't think I was the only one. We had camps. We had sessions. We had zoom meetings. We know where we all stand. And that is together.

I love every one of my teammates, and I love nothing more than playing cricket for South Africa.

I think it would of been better for everyone concerned if we had sorted this out before the tournament started.

Then we could have focused on our job, to win cricket matches for our country.

There always seems to be a drama when we go to World Cups.

That isn't fair.

I just want to thank my teammates for their support, especially my captain, Temba.

People might not recognise, but he is a flipping amazing leader.

If he and the team, and South Africa, will have me, I would love nothing more than to play cricket for my country again.

QDK

sorCrer wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 6:01 am

Big Nipper wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 5:55 am It is amazing how QdK could use his profile and position in the Proteas team to make Save the Rhino gestures on the tour to West Indies earlier this year, but could not come together with his team to condemn racism by making a gesture before a game.

By being forced to kneel?

Big Nipper wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:15 am QdK's statement

Good on him, also shame on the likes of Saucer who tried to spin the bullshit Xtian angle

Cricket SA released this statement on behalf SA wicketkeeper Quinton de Kock on Thursday:

I would like to start by saying sorry to my teammates, and the fans back home.

I never ever wanted to make this a Quinton issue.

I understand the importance of standing against racism, and I also understand the responsibility of us as players to set an example.

If me taking a knee helps to educate others, and makes the lives of others better, I am more than happy to do so.

I did not, in any way, mean to disrespect anyone by not playing against West Indies, especially the West Indian team themselves.

Maybe some people don't understand that we were just hit with this on Tuesday morning, on the way to a game.

I am deeply sorry for all the hurt, confusion and anger that I have caused. I was quiet on this very important issue until now.

But I feel I have to explain myself a little bit.

For those who don't know, I come from a mixed race family.

My half-sisters are Coloured and my step mom is Black.

For me, Black lives have mattered since I was born.

Not just because there was an international movement.

The rights and equality of all people is more important than any individual.

I was raised to understand that we all have rights, and they are important.

I felt like my rights were taken away when I was told what we had to do in the way that we were told.

Since our chat with the board last night, which was very emotional, I think we all have a better understanding of their intentions as well.

I wish this had happened sooner, because what happened on match day could have been avoided. I know I have an example to set.

We were previously told we had the choice to do what we felt we wanted to do.

I chose to keep my thoughts to myself, and thought of the pride of playing for my family and my country. I didn't understand why I had to prove it with a gesture, when I live and learn and love people from all walks of life every day.

When you are told what to do, with no discussion, I felt like it takes away the meaning.

If I was racist, I could easily have taken the knee and lied, which is wrong and doesn’t build a better society.

Those who have grown up with me and played with me, know what type of person I am. I've been called a lot of things as a cricketer.

Doff. Stupid. Selfish. Immature.

But those didn't hurt.

Being called a racist because of a misunderstanding hurts me deeply. It hurts my family. It hurts my pregnant wife.

I am not a racist.

In my heart of hearts, I know that.

And I think those who know me know that. I know I'm not great with words, but I've tried my best to explain how truly sorry I am for making like this is about me.

It is not. I won't lie, I was shocked that we were told on the way to an important match that there was an instruction that we had to follow, with a perceived “or else.”

I don't think I was the only one. We had camps. We had sessions. We had zoom meetings. We know where we all stand. And that is together.

I love every one of my teammates, and I love nothing more than playing cricket for South Africa.

I think it would of been better for everyone concerned if we had sorted this out before the tournament started.

Then we could have focused on our job, to win cricket matches for our country.

There always seems to be a drama when we go to World Cups.

That isn't fair.

I just want to thank my teammates for their support, especially my captain, Temba.

People might not recognise, but he is a flipping amazing leader.

If he and the team, and South Africa, will have me, I would love nothing more than to play cricket for my country again.

QDK

FalseBayFC wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:28 am We were all wrong!

Insane_Homer wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 8:51 am I'd also presume, that up until now, what he's been doing during the moment has been acceptable. So what has changed that it's now an issue?

It's a bit weird that CSA has been happy & condoned prior gesture behaviour to be fine up to now (with CSA, his team mates and the other observing press & public - has there been prior rumblings to his and or other players gestures to now?)

Assuming that's the case, and it's not QdK who's changed his position, I would think QdK's objection revolves around this sudden required change from CSA and demonising behaviour that up to now had been acceptable?

Big Nipper wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:15 am QdK's statement

Good on him, also shame on the likes of Saucer who tried to spin the bullshit Xtian angle

sorCrer wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:34 am

Big Nipper wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:15 am QdK's statement

Good on him, also shame on the likes of Saucer who tried to spin the bullshit Xtian angle

You're a truly toxic person. Classic new age internet persona. Not surprised you dox people.

Gumboot wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:37 am So...he threw a tantrum and is now apologising to everyone for being a dick and letting his team down. Hope that's the last we hear from the attention seeking dumbarse.

Chilli wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:45 am What a fucking mess, and t could all have been avoided.

Insane_Homer wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:31 am

FalseBayFC wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:28 am We were all wrong!

Insane_Homer wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 8:51 am I'd also presume, that up until now, what he's been doing during the moment has been acceptable. So what has changed that it's now an issue?

It's a bit weird that CSA has been happy & condoned prior gesture behaviour to be fine up to now (with CSA, his team mates and the other observing press & public - has there been prior rumblings to his and or other players gestures to now?)

Assuming that's the case, and it's not QdK who's changed his position, I would think QdK's objection revolves around this sudden required change from CSA and demonising behaviour that up to now had been acceptable?

Gumboot wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:37 am So...he threw a tantrum and is now apologising to everyone for being a dick and letting his team down. Hope that's the last we hear from the attention seeking dumbarse.

Big Nipper wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:36 am

sorCrer wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:34 am

Big Nipper wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:15 am QdK's statement

Good on him, also shame on the likes of Saucer who tried to spin the bullshit Xtian angle

You're a truly toxic person. Classic new age internet persona. Not surprised you dox people.

Who did I ever dox? I was doxxed here before

Big Nipper wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:51 am As a fan who would travel for test matches, it makes me so angry how poorly CSA has run tours in SA. No marketing at all, meaning opening day crowds vs Australia in Durban of 3000, and 2500 in PE. It is unacceptable

sorCrer wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:55 am

Big Nipper wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:36 am

sorCrer wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:34 am

You're a truly toxic person. Classic new age internet persona. Not surprised you dox people.

Who did I ever dox? I was doxxed here before

When you search and lookup people on LinkedIn, they're notified. Have some courage.

Chilli wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:45 am When I read this fred and am educated as to just how shit CSA is, I am reminded of why I stopped watching and supporting cricket.



What a fucking mess, and t could all have been avoided.

FalseBayFC wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:28 am

Big Nipper wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:15 am QdK's statement

Good on him, also shame on the likes of Saucer who tried to spin the bullshit Xtian angle

Cricket SA released this statement on behalf SA wicketkeeper Quinton de Kock on Thursday:

I would like to start by saying sorry to my teammates, and the fans back home.

I never ever wanted to make this a Quinton issue.

I understand the importance of standing against racism, and I also understand the responsibility of us as players to set an example.

If me taking a knee helps to educate others, and makes the lives of others better, I am more than happy to do so.

I did not, in any way, mean to disrespect anyone by not playing against West Indies, especially the West Indian team themselves.

Maybe some people don't understand that we were just hit with this on Tuesday morning, on the way to a game.

I am deeply sorry for all the hurt, confusion and anger that I have caused. I was quiet on this very important issue until now.

But I feel I have to explain myself a little bit.

For those who don't know, I come from a mixed race family.

My half-sisters are Coloured and my step mom is Black.

For me, Black lives have mattered since I was born.

Not just because there was an international movement.

The rights and equality of all people is more important than any individual.

I was raised to understand that we all have rights, and they are important.

I felt like my rights were taken away when I was told what we had to do in the way that we were told.

Since our chat with the board last night, which was very emotional, I think we all have a better understanding of their intentions as well.

I wish this had happened sooner, because what happened on match day could have been avoided. I know I have an example to set.

We were previously told we had the choice to do what we felt we wanted to do.

I chose to keep my thoughts to myself, and thought of the pride of playing for my family and my country. I didn't understand why I had to prove it with a gesture, when I live and learn and love people from all walks of life every day.

When you are told what to do, with no discussion, I felt like it takes away the meaning.

If I was racist, I could easily have taken the knee and lied, which is wrong and doesn’t build a better society.

Those who have grown up with me and played with me, know what type of person I am. I've been called a lot of things as a cricketer.

Doff. Stupid. Selfish. Immature.

But those didn't hurt.

Being called a racist because of a misunderstanding hurts me deeply. It hurts my family. It hurts my pregnant wife.

I am not a racist.

In my heart of hearts, I know that.

And I think those who know me know that. I know I'm not great with words, but I've tried my best to explain how truly sorry I am for making like this is about me.

It is not. I won't lie, I was shocked that we were told on the way to an important match that there was an instruction that we had to follow, with a perceived “or else.”

I don't think I was the only one. We had camps. We had sessions. We had zoom meetings. We know where we all stand. And that is together.

I love every one of my teammates, and I love nothing more than playing cricket for South Africa.

I think it would of been better for everyone concerned if we had sorted this out before the tournament started.

Then we could have focused on our job, to win cricket matches for our country.

There always seems to be a drama when we go to World Cups.

That isn't fair.

I just want to thank my teammates for their support, especially my captain, Temba.

People might not recognise, but he is a flipping amazing leader.

If he and the team, and South Africa, will have me, I would love nothing more than to play cricket for my country again.

QDK

We were all wrong!

Rinkals wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:00 am

FalseBayFC wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:28 am

Big Nipper wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:15 am QdK's statement

Good on him, also shame on the likes of Saucer who tried to spin the bullshit Xtian angle

We were all wrong!

Not me, Bud.

I was right!

You guys should listen to me more often.

Chilli wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:45 am When I read this fred and am educated as to just how shit CSA is, I am reminded of why I stopped watching and supporting cricket.



What a fucking mess, and t could all have been avoided.

FalseBayFC wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:12 am

Rinkals wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:00 am

FalseBayFC wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:28 am

We were all wrong!

Not me, Bud.

I was right!

You guys should listen to me more often.

Far too much common sense. Where's the fun in that?

Gumboot wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:37 am So...he threw a tantrum and is now apologising to everyone for being a dick and letting his team down. Hope that's the last we hear from the attention seeking dumbarse.