Izzy Folau vs Buck Shelford

[FalseBayFC]

It's 1986, South Africa is on fire. The Nationalist Party clings desperately onto power. Grand Apartheid prevails. The regime has allies, the people of the UK are sympathetic and their leader Margaret Thatcher reflects the popular opinion and throws her weight behind PW Botha

The South African government are under huge pressure though. The rest of the world have imposed a cultural and economic blockade on the Republic. They're desparate for a moral boost, a propaganda coup.

A rebel tour, but who? Who would be morally bankrupt enough to sell their soul? The Australians? Apartheid gold proved an easy sell for Kim Hughes and his band of craven greedy sellouts.

Surprisingly it took relatively little persuasion and a bit of silver to persuade a number of eminent Kiwis to accept the offer to whitewash this criminal state. Buck Shelford, Colin Meads - manager, Grant Fox, Steve Pokere, Bill Osborne and many others disgraced themselves and chose to ignore the suffering of 35 million repressed black people.

They belong in the same basket of shame as Izzy Folau. Their endorsement of apartheid was a crime that makes his look like chicken feed

[ASMO]

Those Romans were a bunch of cunts too, massacres galore on populations that disagreed with them...cunts

[Torquemada 1420]

Those Romans were a bunch of cunts too, massacres galore on populations that disagreed with them...cunts

What have the All Blacks ever done for us, eh? Eh?

[Insane_Homer]

Should we still be boycotting all the companies that still traded with/in Apartheid SA?

[Torquemada 1420]

Should we still be boycotting all the companies that still traded with/in Apartheid SA?

Still is a bit of a stain on the self proclamation as spiritual guardians blah blah

[Fangle]

I am in two minds as how South Africa should have been treated. And I wonder if isolation was the best. To my mind one of the most persuasive things that changed many people’s mind was The Cosby Show which showed us that the Huxtable family was no different from the white families. An aspect we didn’t see in South Africa, and I think it was shows like this that changed many people.

On the other side the British actors group, Equiity I think, banned all British shows from being viewed in South Africa and so didn’t influence us in any way.

Did these “shameful” tours show us what we were missing and stop us from turning inwards, or dud they make us think that we could carry on as before? As I said, I am in two minds.

[stemoc]

and yet none of those ppl that supposedly hate the apartheid give a damn about the plight of the Palestinian people and wholeheartedly support Israel

[Gumboot]

and yet none of those ppl that supposedly hate the apartheid give a damn about the plight of the Palestinian people and wholeheartedly support Israel

Wot?

[Chilli]

It's 1986, South Africa is on fire. The Nationalist Party clings desperately onto power. Grand Apartheid prevails. The regime has allies, the people of the UK are sympathetic and their leader Margaret Thatcher reflects the popular opinion and throws her weight behind PW Botha

The South African government are under huge pressure though. The rest of the world have imposed a cultural and economic blockade on the Republic. They're desparate for a moral boost, a propaganda coup.

A rebel tour, but who? Who would be morally bankrupt enough to sell their soul? The Australians? Apartheid gold proved an easy sell for Kim Hughes and his band of craven greedy sellouts.

Surprisingly it took relatively little persuasion and a bit of silver to persuade a number of eminent Kiwis to accept the offer to whitewash this criminal state. Buck Shelford, Colin Meads - manager, Grant Fox, Steve Pokere, Bill Osborne and many others disgraced themselves and chose to ignore the suffering of 35 million repressed black people.

They belong in the same basket of shame as Izzy Folau. Their endorsement of apartheid was a crime that makes his look like chicken feed

35 years.....you should learn to forgive and forget

[Sandstorm]

I am in two minds as how South Africa should have been treated. And I wonder if isolation was the best. To my mind one of the most persuasive things that changed many people’s mind was The Cosby Show which showed us that the Huxtable family was no different from the white families. An aspect we didn’t see in South Africa, and I think it was shows like this that changed many people.

On the other side the British actors group, Equiity I think, banned all British shows from being viewed in South Africa and so didn’t influence us in any way.

Did these “shameful” tours show us what we were missing and stop us from turning inwards, or dud they make us think that we could carry on as before? As I said, I am in two minds.

The Rebel Tours were stupid and in my gut certainly prolonged the opinion in the minds of the National Party and their supporters that Apartheid was ok.

[Torquemada 1420]

The Cosby Show which showed us that the Huxtable family was no different from the white families.

Yup. Because the Huxtables (like the Drummonds in Different Strokes or the Banks in Fresh Prince) are a real representation of black families in the US? There is an argument that these shows caused more damage than good because they were simply assuaging white guilt.

[Insane_Homer]

35 years.....you should learn to forgive and forget

Yup, wasn't there a Trust and Reconciliation thingy to specifically leave all that shit in the past?

[Yeeb]

I wonder how this falsbay chap feels after a quarter century of democracy in SA, that there are still millions of black people oppressed, only now they are oppressed by black people.

Oh, and

[average joe]

The Cosby Show which showed us that the Huxtable family was no different from the white families.

Yup. Because the Huxtables (like the Drummonds in Different Strokes or the Banks in Fresh Prince) are a real representation of black families in the US? There is an argument that these shows caused more damage than good because they were simply assuaging white guilt.

I preferred Sanford and Son. The old guy was hilarious.

[stemoc]

and yet none of those ppl that supposedly hate the apartheid give a damn about the plight of the Palestinian people and wholeheartedly support Israel

Wot?

the country and not the homophobe.

[Kawazaki]

I wonder how this falsbay chap feels after a quarter century of democracy in SA, that there are still millions of black people oppressed, only now they are oppressed by black people.

Oh, and

At least the blacks in South Africa now have the comfort of knowing that their oppression is the same as the oppression suffered by blacks in the rest of Africa though. Oppression is only noteworthy if it's racist oppression don't forget.