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My first (cynical) impulse on this one was this is just opportunism because the climate today would certainly look favourably on such a lawsuit and of course who wouldn't want upwards of £1 million?

However, when you think about it a little deeper its pretty complex. We've probably all looked at that album cover dozens of times without thinking too much about it but wtf is it all about? A naked baby underwater in a pool with a dollar. What is it supposed to signify? Its pretty indecent and a fully grown adult on an album cover naked would be considered wrong so why is a baby any different? Especially since they cannot have given any consent. Is it pornagraphic? It is exploitative?

On a psychological level its got to feel pretty uncomfortable knowing that you are immortalised on an album cover but you probably don't want to share that with too many people because its not like they have just seen your cute face, they've seen your dick to boot.

Then you look at the broader picture about how many famous kids from Hollywood become emotional wrecks as adults because a) they find it hard to cope with the fame and b) they feel or know they were exploited by the adults in their life but then were discarded when their 15 minutes of fame were over. There's definitely a lot to unpack imo.

The real reason?

Mr Elden is asking for damages of at least $150,000 (£109,000) from each of the 15 defendants, including surviving band members Dave Grohl and Krist Novoselic and photographer Kirk Weddle.

If he didn't spend his life telling everyone he was THAT baby, and trying to make money off it, hardly anyone would care or know

SaintK wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:37 pm The real reason?

Mr Elden is asking for damages of at least $150,000 (£109,000) from each of the 15 defendants, including surviving band members Dave Grohl and Krist Novoselic and photographer Kirk Weddle.

and including Kurt Cobain's estate

What a dick move

Cartman wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:44 pm What a dick move

I see your point

I was reading about this earlier and he seems to have loved it and loathed it at different times in his life.

Apparently his parents got battered at a party and thought it was a fun but didn’t realise it was going on the front of a record.

Calculon wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:40 pm If he didn't spend his life telling everyone he was THAT baby, and trying to make money off it, hardly anyone would care or know

He might have more credibility if he hadn’t recreated the image several times to celebrate the album’s anniversaries. And just six years ago he said:

"It's always been a positive thing and opened doors for me, I'm 23 now and an artist, and this story gave me an opportunity to work with Shepard Fairey for five years, which was an awesome experience. He is a huge music connoisseur: when he heard I was the Nirvana baby, he thought that was really cool."

is there no extinctive prescription or statute of limitations at play here?

You'd think he's going to struggle seeing as he's actively profited off of it.

The best result I can see for him realistically is the courts finding in his favour in terms of there being no talent release form but awarding him a token amount of money.

notfatcat wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:39 pm The best result I can see for him realistically is the courts finding in his favour in terms of there being no talent release form but awarding him a token amount of money.

"Damages of $1"

Comes across as very opportunistic, based on his previous comments.

But does raise interesting questions about consent. Not exactly the same, but I grew uncomfortable with my wife putting up photos of my kids on Facebook as you have no idea what creeps are able to access them and kids also aren't old enough to understand the implications of their photos being online and their ability to consent.

Jots down album title for a purchase. If anyone is wondering am rebuilding my vinyl collection album by album month by month.

Jethro wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:53 pm Jots down album title for a purchase. If anyone is wondering am rebuilding my vinyl collection album by album month by month.

Why?

Gumboot wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:29 pm

Jethro wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:53 pm Jots down album title for a purchase. If anyone is wondering am rebuilding my vinyl collection album by album month by month.

Why?

FWIW, my opinion on vinyl.

It's inconvenient - you can only listen to the records in a certain place and you have to change sides after 20 minutes or so, you absolutely cannot listen to vinyl on the train or bus or in a cafe.
You have to set aside time and have a space to listen to the music, as opposed to having some racket going on in your headphones as you try to go through your day to day.
Some say the sound quality is inferior to digital, but if you have a good system and a clean record, this is bollocks.
The album artwork is non-existent in spotify, is tiny in a CD, is a reason to buy a 12 inch vinyl album or single, just for the art, yes we did that.

For me vinyl represents a slowing down, getting back to taking time to listening to less music, but actually listening, as opposed to having a background noise going on all the time

oh and buying a vinyl album supports the artist whose work you are enjoying, as does buying a CD

Tichtheid wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:54 pm

Gumboot wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:29 pm

Jethro wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:53 pm Jots down album title for a purchase. If anyone is wondering am rebuilding my vinyl collection album by album month by month.

Why?

FWIW, my opinion on vinyl.

It's inconvenient - you can only listen to the records in a certain place and you have to change sides after 20 minutes or so, you absolutely cannot listen to vinyl on the train or bus or in a cafe.
You have to set aside time and have a space to listen to the music, as opposed to having some racket going on in your headphones as you try to go through your day to day.
Some say the sound quality is inferior to digital, but if you have a good system and a clean record, this is bollocks.
The album artwork is non-existent in spotify, is tiny in a CD, is a reason to buy a 12 inch vinyl album or single, just for the art, yes we did that.

For me vinyl represents a slowing down, getting back to taking time to listening to less music, but actually listening, as opposed to having a background noise going on all the time

oh and buying a vinyl album supports the artist whose work you are enjoying, as does buying a CD

100% agree.

I got a record player a couple of years back and the intention was always to not use it that much, but when I did it was door shut and my time.

I mostly buy 50’s - 70’s stuff from 2nd hand shops, so can’t claim to be supporting artists, because I think that’s how that music is meant to be listened to, rightly or wrongly.

Most of the stuff I have is things like the Stones and Dylan but also some of the old opera recordings where you get the inserts with the whole story, lyrics, translations etc and love listening and studying them.

Jethro wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:53 pm Jots down album title for a purchase. If anyone is wondering am rebuilding my vinyl collection album by album month by month.

So...are you going to tell us what happened to your collection, bro?

Gumboot wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:13 am

Jethro wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:53 pm Jots down album title for a purchase. If anyone is wondering am rebuilding my vinyl collection album by album month by month.

So...are you going to tell us what happened to your collection, bro?

Jethro is Globus and I claim Mimosa from his wife's car boot sale.

Coincidentally the first single I ever bought, Living in the Past, was by a Jethro somebody.

Slick wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:18 am

Gumboot wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:13 am

Jethro wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:53 pm Jots down album title for a purchase. If anyone is wondering am rebuilding my vinyl collection album by album month by month.

So...are you going to tell us what happened to your collection, bro?

Jethro is Globus and I claim Mimosa from his wife's car boot sale.

Sob.

Gumboot wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:42 am Coincidentally the first single I ever bought, Living in the Past, was by a Jethro somebody.

Tull. The band formed in Blackpool near where The Management was brought up.

Tichtheid wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:54 pm

Gumboot wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:29 pm

Jethro wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:53 pm Jots down album title for a purchase. If anyone is wondering am rebuilding my vinyl collection album by album month by month.

Why?

FWIW, my opinion on vinyl.

It's inconvenient - you can only listen to the records in a certain place and you have to change sides after 20 minutes or so, you absolutely cannot listen to vinyl on the train or bus or in a cafe.
You have to set aside time and have a space to listen to the music, as opposed to having some racket going on in your headphones as you try to go through your day to day.
Some say the sound quality is inferior to digital, but if you have a good system and a clean record, this is bollocks.
The album artwork is non-existent in spotify, is tiny in a CD, is a reason to buy a 12 inch vinyl album or single, just for the art, yes we did that.

For me vinyl represents a slowing down, getting back to taking time to listening to less music, but actually listening, as opposed to having a background noise going on all the time

oh and buying a vinyl album supports the artist whose work you are enjoying, as does buying a CD

Agreed. It's the whole ceremony of it, and I'd also say that I've enjoyed many happy evenings just browsing and essentially DJing with the record collection with the missus and friends, although I've only a few records here in Edinburgh. It's not quite the same with Tidal.

Globus wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:39 pm

Gumboot wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:42 am Coincidentally the first single I ever bought, Living in the Past, was by a Jethro somebody.

Tull. The band formed in Blackpool near where The Management was brought up.

Er, ok...thanks.

Gumboot wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:44 am

Globus wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:39 pm

Gumboot wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:42 am Coincidentally the first single I ever bought, Living in the Past, was by a Jethro somebody.

Tull. The band formed in Blackpool near where The Management was brought up.

Er, ok...thanks.