French election

[Ymx]

Is this covered elsewhere?

What are our bored Frenchies, or others informed on this thinking?

From an admitted uninformed outsider, you have
Le Pen - Right wing, anti immigrant
Macron - Putins poodle

What a choice.

[JM2K6]

You typo'd "far right" there. She's a fascist and her dad was a bona fide neo-Nazi. Her views on Russia's annexing of Crimea and on Russia's invasion make it absolutely laughable to position Macron as Putin's poodle.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Macron being willing to talk Putin being equated to Macron being Putin's poodle is more than a little weird. France like the UK is guilty of grandstanding on the back of the power that it was, but it's still a very influential player, and someone has to be doing the talking.

What Macron like a number of others have found is taking positive steps forward is bloody hard. He seems decent enough, he's just unable to move debate and situations as he'd want, in normal ways it'd be better for him and France if someone else could step into the role after his years already there, but if the alternative is Le Pen or anything remotely similar to Le Pen then one can only hope Macron wins by a country mile

[Hal Jordan]

I assume Le Pen will fuck environmental issues as the far right love them some fossil fuels.

[TheFrog]

The main concern with Le Pen is that she has an anti-NATO, anti EU and anti foreigners agenda, coupled with empty promises of a better life for the youths and the poorer classes, which earns her wide support among the likes of the yellow vests.

If Le Pen wins, Putin has another asset in power in the West.

[Chilli]

The main concern with Le Pen is that she has an anti-NATO, anti EU and anti foreigners agenda, coupled with empty promises of a better life for the youths and the poorer classes, which earns her wide support among the likes of the yellow vests.

If Le Pen wins, Putin has another asset in power in the West.

Coupled with a Trump return in a year or two.

Putin will rule the world.

[sefton]

20% of those voting cast their vote for the NF, a sad day for France.

[Ymx]

So it’s looking like as predicted top two with a 4% difference.

Where are those who didn’t vote for these two likely to go? Think I read a lefty was firmly in 3rd place. Those votes will go straight to macron one would assume in a fortnight.

[TheFrog]

20% of those voting cast their vote for the NF, a sad day for France.

More than 50% voted for the extremes.

Lots of suffering and disillusion.

[TheFrog]

So it’s looking like as predicted top two with a 4% difference.

Where are those who didn’t vote for these two likely to go? Think I read a lefty was firmly in 3rd place. Those votes will go straight to macron one would assume in a fortnight.

All is not quite as predicted as Macron got more than predicted, at the expense of the center right who score less than 5%.
And far left Melanchon gathers 20% bringing together a lot of the leftist vote and burrying the social democrat party.

[I like neeps]

After all of the Spectator's breathless coverage of Zemmour led by Douglas Murray he ehhh didn't do too well... Better luck next time lads.

[JM2K6]

After all of the Spectator's breathless coverage of Zemmour led by Douglas Murray he ehhh didn't do too well... Better luck next time lads.

The Spectator has boosted pretty much every European far right candidate, it's not even subtle. Zemmour makes Le Pen look almost respectable.

[Torquemada 1420]

I assume Le Pen will fuck environmental issues as the far right love them some fossil fuels.

Actually both Le Pen and Macron will do that. Hence why it's likely swathes of young voters will simply abstain in the final round.

What is so worrying is just how polarised France is and the size of the extreme vote.

[petej]

After all of the Spectator's breathless coverage of Zemmour led by Douglas Murray he ehhh didn't do too well... Better luck next time lads.

The spectator is an absolute disingenuous turd of a magazine. Which far right leader's arsehole hasn't it climbed up in the last decade.

[JM2K6]

In further "Macron is Putin's poodle" news

[laurent]

She is putin putain, having her campaigns payed by Russian banks and now Hungarian one.

Her program is spectacularly far right.

[petej]

She is putin putain, having her campaigns payed by Russian banks and now Hungarian one.

Her program is spectacularly far right.

You would think that this position would be very unpopular with the current situation in Ukraine.

[laurent]

She is putin putain, having her campaigns payed by Russian banks and now Hungarian one.

Her program is spectacularly far right.

You would think that this position would be very unpopular with the current situation in Ukraine.

She reiterated her Putin Dick sucking yesterday.

[petej]

She is putin putain, having her campaigns payed by Russian banks and now Hungarian one.

Her program is spectacularly far right.

You would think that this position would be very unpopular with the current situation in Ukraine.

She reiterated her Putin Dick sucking yesterday.

I would have thought this would be vote losing position to take, pretty sure it would be in the UK and USA.

[laurent]

You would think that this position would be very unpopular with the current situation in Ukraine.

She reiterated her Putin Dick sucking yesterday.

I would have thought this would be vote losing position to take, pretty sure it would be in the UK and USA.

I think that's what torpedoed Gargamel's vote (Z) however now she is forced to unveil her views

[Lobby]

She reiterated her Putin Dick sucking yesterday.

I would have thought this would be vote losing position to take, pretty sure it would be in the UK and USA.

I think that's what torpedoed Gargamel's vote (Z) however now she is forced to unveil her views

As I recall, she changed her campaign leaflets after the invasion of Ukraine to remove pictures of her with Putin, so she has tried to downplay her close ties with Putin.

[Ymx]

Putins poodle vs Putins mistress then.

[laurent]

Putins poodle vs Putins mistress then.

I don't think Macron likes Putin much he's a liberal for all intent (economically and societally).
If you refer to his calls and attempt at mediating this was done at the request of the Ukrainian government to keep negotiations alive.


Putin is a Fascist. so definitely nowhere near Macron ideologically.

[Hugo]

I've done some minor reading up on Francafrique over the past week - I was intrigued after the former President of Burkina Faso was found guilty of Thomas Sankara's murder last week.

I was very surprised to find out that Lilian Thuram is a very prolific author and civil rights activist. I had no idea.

[eldanielfire]

I would have thought this would be vote losing position to take, pretty sure it would be in the UK and USA.

I think that's what torpedoed Gargamel's vote (Z) however now she is forced to unveil her views

As I recall, she changed her campaign leaflets after the invasion of Ukraine to remove pictures of her with Putin, so she has tried to downplay her close ties with Putin.

Indeed. She had to pulp a million leaflets. Though I don't think she is close with Putin, but she's had some financial backing.

[laurent]

I think that's what torpedoed Gargamel's vote (Z) however now she is forced to unveil her views

As I recall, she changed her campaign leaflets after the invasion of Ukraine to remove pictures of her with Putin, so she has tried to downplay her close ties with Putin.

Indeed. She had to pulp a million leaflets. Though I don't think she is close with Putin, but she's had some financial backing.

She want's to get off NATO and cozy up to Vlad as soon as this is over

She is one of his pawns.

[eldanielfire]

Though I don't think she is close with Putin

Right

I don't think a meeting qualifies as close. If some numerous world leaders are clsoe with Putin. I wouldn't say Macron si clsoe with him and current he is ringing him more often than people ring their parents.

[sockwithaticket]

Though I don't think she is close with Putin

Right

I don't think a meeting qualifies as close. If some numerous world leaders are clsoe with Putin. I wouldn't say Macron si clsoe with him and current he is ringing him more often than people ring their parents.

That's not a point to make the case. As head of state of a major European and Nato nation while a war rages in Europe Macron has every reason to be trying to communicate with the leader of the aggressor nation.

[laurent]

Though I don't think she is close with Putin

Right

I don't think a meeting qualifies as close. If some numerous world leaders are clsoe with Putin. I wouldn't say Macron si clsoe with him and current he is ringing him more often than people ring their parents.

Once again She has publicly stated she wants an alliance with Putin's Russia once the conflict is over.
She is one of the rare western politicians to recognise Crimea's annexation.

She is bought and payed for by Putin's banks.

I think Marylandolorian was posting pictures because when presented with facts you tend to ignore them.

https://www.lemonde.fr/idees/article/20 ... _3232.html

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Why does Charlie Hebdo call him Poutine, is it just a cheesy inside joke?

[laurent]

Why does Charlie Hebdo call him Poutine, is it just a cheesy inside joke?

French Spelling for his name to match pronounciation. Putin is also pronounced pretty much like putain (whore)

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Why does Charlie Hebdo call him Poutine, is it just a cheesy inside joke?

French Spelling for his name to match pronounciation. Putin is also pronounced pretty much like putain (whore)

Cheers, and I'd mock but our own pronunciation of Russian names is terrible too. Was just wondering if there was something I was failing to appreciate in their headline

[petej]

El Dan has always bent over backwards to accommodate and validate the opinions of those who are dodgy and as the degree of dodgy increases the more flexible eldan has become.

Now that Putin has quite clearly exposed himself as a complete arsehole and fascist I really don't see the need to be kind or even subtle about the likes of useful idiots and genuine Quislings. Listening to Putin's rambling bullshit version of history Macron is the only European leader that leads a former imperial power, a nuclear power, not Anglo and still in the EU. It is a communication channel we (as in the west) have to keep open.

Le Pen like Farage and others has never hidden her admiration for Putin which means she has no problem with the various and numerous crimes against humanity Putin has committed pre-ukraine (including the use of chemical weapons on civilians in Syria-a red line for me).

[eldanielfire]

Once again She has publicly stated she wants an alliance with Putin's Russia once the conflict is over.
She is one of the rare western politicians to recognise Crimea's annexation.

She is bought and payed for by Putin's banks.

I think Marylandolorian was posting pictures because when presented with facts you tend to ignore them.

https://www.lemonde.fr/idees/article/20 ... _3232.html

No doubting any of that. That doesn't make her clsoe to Putin though any more than Hilary Clinton was when she tried the big reset with him afte rhe inavded Georgia.

We have to recognse that Putin isn't going away and creating some agreement with him for peace will be the inevatable. That I understand.

[eldanielfire]

El Dan has always bent over backwards to accommodate and validate the opinions of those who are dodgy and as the degree of dodgy increases the more flexible eldan has become.

Whose opinion have I validated? I just said she was probably nto clsoe to Putin and one photograph together, whcih many leaders have, doesn't invalidate that. Nor does it mean I have validated or invalidated any of Le Pen's opinions or policies by pointing this out. She praising Putin does not mean they are close. You'll find my posts on PR on the issue have been strongly against Putin and no correction of statements changes that.

Now that Putin has quite clearly exposed himself as a complete arsehole and fascist I really don't see the need to be kind or even subtle about the likes of useful idiots and genuine Quislings. Listening to Putin's rambling bullshit version of history Macron is the only European leader that leads a former imperial power, a nuclear power, not Anglo and still in the EU. It is a communication channel we (as in the west) have to keep open.

Le Pen like Farage and others has never hidden her admiration for Putin which means she has no problem with the various and numerous crimes against humanity Putin has committed pre-ukraine (including the use of chemical weapons on civilians in Syria-a red line for me).

No oen is doubting Le Pen ahsn't expressed admiration for Putin, nor suddenly played it down. In fact I highlighted she pulped a million leaflets showing her and Putin together. Of cousre you'll somehow state that means I support the invasion of The Ukraine or something.

[eldanielfire]

LePen is completely beholden to Putin. You haven't read much on this matter. A good few politicians in the UK are as well though probably to a lesser ideological bent just pecuniary. The Shinners in Ireland is probably ideological to a small extent but mainly about leveraging unrest to grow their power

And yet I've posted nothing abotu that, if you can read what was actually stated.

[eldanielfire]

You are just messing now. She is likely to completely pivot to Putin and change the post WW2 direction of France.Thats close in anybodies language unless you define it as riding alone and we can't be sure about that tbh

Ah, now you realsie your error you are goalpost moving and redefining terms to justify your initial comments.

[Insane_Homer]

[La soule]

El Dan has always bent over backwards to accommodate and validate the opinions of those who are dodgy and as the degree of dodgy increases the more flexible eldan has become.

Whose opinion have I validated? I just said she was probably nto clsoe to Putin and one photograph together, whcih many leaders have, doesn't invalidate that. Nor does it mean I have validated or invalidated any of Le Pen's opinions or policies by pointing this out. She praising Putin does not mean they are close. You'll find my posts on PR on the issue have been strongly against Putin and no correction of statements changes that.

Now that Putin has quite clearly exposed himself as a complete arsehole and fascist I really don't see the need to be kind or even subtle about the likes of useful idiots and genuine Quislings. Listening to Putin's rambling bullshit version of history Macron is the only European leader that leads a former imperial power, a nuclear power, not Anglo and still in the EU. It is a communication channel we (as in the west) have to keep open.

Le Pen like Farage and others has never hidden her admiration for Putin which means she has no problem with the various and numerous crimes against humanity Putin has committed pre-ukraine (including the use of chemical weapons on civilians in Syria-a red line for me).

No oen is doubting Le Pen ahsn't expressed admiration for Putin, nor suddenly played it down. In fact I highlighted she pulped a million leaflets showing her and Putin together. Of cousre you'll somehow state that means I support the invasion of The Ukraine or something.

She is the leader of a political party, nothing more. It would disingenuous to compare her to a head of state despite your wish that she was one. You may get your dream soon though.

[La soule]

Marine's entourage:

Il est connu comme le loup blanc. L’homme qui a traîné au sol la militante écologiste Pauline Rapilly Ferniot mercredi lors d’une conférence de presse de Marine Le Pen est un vieux briscard du service d’ordre du Rassemblement national, le tristement célèbre Département protection sécurité (DPS), dont la devise «honneur et fidélité» est la même que celle de la Légion étrangère.

Si la conseillère municipale écologiste à Boulogne-Billancourt a bien été plaquée au sol par un policier du Service de protection des personnalités, c’est Daniel Dos Santos, cheveux courts et longue barbe blanche, qui l’a exfiltrée de la salle. Ce dernier n’est pas un inconnu pour les journalistes qui suivent les déplacements et les points presse de la candidate. Il est en effet un historique du DPS, un proche de Jean-Marie Le Pen lorsque celui-ci dirigeait le parti et un ancien skinhead selon nos informations. De cette période, il a gardé le cheveu ras et le tatouage en toile d’araignée typique de la mouvance. Il a ensuite rejoint le très musclé service d’ordre du FN, le DPS, menacé de dissolution en 1998 à cause de nombreuses échauffourées impliquant ses membres. Daniel Dos Santos en est le responsable pour la région Ile-de-France.

Connu pour ses méthodes rugueuses
Lors du schisme opposant Jean-Marie Le Pen à sa fille au sein du parti, Daniel Dos Santos a choisi de rester aux côtés de la nouvelle présidente du FN alors que certains de ses camarades du DPS sont partis avec le patriarche. Si cet ancien convoyeur de fonds reste très attaché à la sécurité, il n’hésite pas à boucher les trous sur les listes électorales quand le besoin s’en fait sentir, comme en 2021 sur celle de Jordan Bardella pour les élections régionales, où il apparaît en 23e position dans la section du Val-de-Marne. En 2013, il était même tête de liste pour les cantonales dans le même département.

Le site antifasciste la Horde a mis en en exergue ses liens avec des groupuscules de skinheads, révélant notamment une conversation Facebook dans laquelle Daniel Dos Santos tente d’expliquer à des crânes rasés que leur présence doit se faire discrète au 1er mai du Front national. La Horde a également déterré des messages à caractère raciste qu’il avait posté sur ses réseaux sociaux. Ou encore l’agression d’un journaliste de France 24, en 2011, lors du congrès du parti au cours duquel Marine Le Pen venait d’être nommée à la tête du parti. Bilan pour le reporter : montre cassée, carte de presse volée, menaces verbales et quinze jours d’incapacité de travail. Des insultes racistes auraient également été proférées. Autant pour la dédiabolisation.

Bien que plus discret ces dernières années, le DPS est connu pour ses méthodes rugueuses. Dernier fait en date : un de ses membres s’en est pris à une femme qui huait Marine Le Pen en marge d’un déplacement à Pertuis (Vaucluse) pas plus tard que vendredi. Il a dû être écarté après un moment de vive tension constaté par un journaliste de la Croix. Les opposants à la candidate d’extrême droite assurent avoir «pris des coups».

Yet she is centre right for some.

Bollocks.