Ireland to continue to let Apple avoid tax -continued from PR

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Apple and Ireland have won their appeal against the European Commission's €13.1bn tax ruling.

The General Court of the European Union (GCEU) has annulled the decision taken by the Commission regarding the Irish tax rulings in favour of Apple.

According to the GCEU, the Commission was wrong to declare that Apple Sales International and Apple Operations Europe had been granted a selective economic advantage and, by extension, State aid.

It says the Commission failed to show "to the requisite legal standard" that Apple enjoyed preferential treatment which amounted to illegal State aid.

In a statement, the Department of Finance said it welcomes the judgment by the EU court.

"Ireland has always been clear that there was no special treatment provided to the two Apple companies - ASI and AOE. The correct amount of Irish tax was charged... in line with normal Irish taxation rules," it said.

"Ireland appealed the commission decision on the basis that Ireland granted no State aid and the decision today from the court supports that view."

The European Commission is expected to appeal the judgement to the upper court.


Apple said it was pleased that the court has annulled the Commission's case.

"This case was not about how much tax we pay, but where we are required to pay it," it said in a statement.

"We're proud to be the largest taxpayer in the world as we know the important role tax payments play in society.

"Apple has paid more than $100 billion in corporate income taxes around the world in the last decade and tens of billions more in other taxes. "

The company added that changes in how a multinational company's income tax payments are split between different countries require a global solution, and Apple encourages this work to continue.

The Apple tax judgment - all you need to know

The case arises from the European Commission's 2016 direction to Ireland to recover €13.1bn in unpaid taxes from Apple covering an 11-year period between 2003 and 2014, as well as €1.2bn in interest.

The €14.3bn in alleged unpaid taxes and interest has been sitting in an escrow account since 2018.

The Commission concluded that two tax rulings in 1991 and 2007 issued by Revenue to Apple had "substantially and artificially lowered" the tax paid the firm in Ireland since 1991 and had therefore amounted to illegal state aid.

The Commission's claim was that the rulings rubber-stamped a method of determining the taxable profits for two companies based in Ireland - Apple Sales International and Apple Operations Europe - which were managed from outside Ireland and were responsible for all Apple's sales outside of the Americas.

The Commission found that the Revenue determinations did not correspond to economic reality, because almost all the profits recorded by the two companies were attributed internally by Apple to a "head office".

However, the Commission concluded that the head offices only actually existed on paper and as a result could not have generated such profits.

These profits were not, as a result, subject to tax in any country under specific provisions of the Irish tax law which are no longer in force, it found.

As a result, it said, Apple only paid an effective corporate tax rate that declined from 1% in 2003 to 0.005% in 2014 on the profits of Apple Sales International.

The Commission argued that the intellectual property value of the products being sold through the Irish companies should have been attributed to those firms and, as a result, so should the profits on them.

Both Apple and Ireland have strongly denied the Commission's claims and appealed the ruling to the European courts, with the hearing taking place over two days last September.

Apple had argued that most of the value attributable to its products is generated in the US and that was where the tax was to be paid.

It has also claimed that it pays all the taxes it owes everywhere it has operations.

The company has accused the European Commission of trying to rewrite Apple's history in Europe, ignore Irish tax laws and upend the international tax system.

It has also alleged that the EU's claim has no basis in fact or in law as Apple had never asked for, nor was it given, any special deals.

The Government had also opposed the Commission's decision, arguing it was fundamentally flawed and interfered with its sovereignty by seeking to override national law.
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EU desperate to get control of your corporation tax

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/eco ... -1.4304064
In what would amount to an unprecedented legal assault, the European Commission is exploring ways to trigger an unused treaty instrument to reduce multinationals’ ability to exploit highly advantageous corporate tax schemes.

Crucially, unlike ordinary tax legislation in the EU, the initiative would only require the backing of a qualified majority of the EU’s 27 member states rather than unanimous support of all countries, restricting a government’s ability to wield a veto.
Never really understood what business it is of the EU's to control corporation tax, unless the plan really is, as Brexiteers say, to create an EU "super-state"
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Longshanks wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:46 pm EU desperate to get control of your corporation tax

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/eco ... -1.4304064
In what would amount to an unprecedented legal assault, the European Commission is exploring ways to trigger an unused treaty instrument to reduce multinationals’ ability to exploit highly advantageous corporate tax schemes.

Crucially, unlike ordinary tax legislation in the EU, the initiative would only require the backing of a qualified majority of the EU’s 27 member states rather than unanimous support of all countries, restricting a government’s ability to wield a veto.
Never really understood what business it is of the EU's to control corporation tax, unless the plan really is, as Brexiteers say, to create an EU "super-state"
I think with all the FDI from the United states in Ireland, the commission want that tax revenue to come to Brussels. France thinks our tax rules give us an unfair advantage over other EU countries. The Germans hate it as well.

but

Fiscal policy is per EU nation and isn't decided by a central revenue unlike monetary policy which is government by ECB.

The EU may decide to try and harmonise tax rules across Europe but this would require the buy in of a majority of EU countries. As Ireland's constitution requires a referendum here, this would be rejected by our population and yes they might make us vote twice, or three times....it will always be rejected as this referendum is Ireland's number 1 red line and we as a people understand it unlike previous referendums like Lisbon Treaty.

We'll also get backing from countries like Netherlands, Denmark Luxembourg, Sweden and Finland.

Ireland is a very compliant EU member .....look at the bailout and the punishment we took .

However this issue corporation tax is our red line and we'll use it as we see fix in the current laws of our country and the current laws of the EU.
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What's the Rulez regarding Call-out threads on NPR?
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Sandstorm wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:35 pm What's the Rulez regarding Call-out threads on NPR?
Not sure of the relevance to be honest.
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Sandstorm wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:35 pm What's the Rulez regarding Call-out threads on NPR?
Actively encouraged
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iarmhí wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:07 pm
Longshanks wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:46 pm EU desperate to get control of your corporation tax

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/eco ... -1.4304064
In what would amount to an unprecedented legal assault, the European Commission is exploring ways to trigger an unused treaty instrument to reduce multinationals’ ability to exploit highly advantageous corporate tax schemes.

Crucially, unlike ordinary tax legislation in the EU, the initiative would only require the backing of a qualified majority of the EU’s 27 member states rather than unanimous support of all countries, restricting a government’s ability to wield a veto.
Never really understood what business it is of the EU's to control corporation tax, unless the plan really is, as Brexiteers say, to create an EU "super-state"
I think with all the FDI from the United states in Ireland, the commission want that tax revenue to come to Brussels. France thinks our tax rules give us an unfair advantage over other EU countries. The Germans hate it as well.

but

Fiscal policy is per EU nation and isn't decided by a central revenue unlike monetary policy which is government by ECB.

The EU may decide to try and harmonise tax rules across Europe but this would require the buy in of a majority of EU countries. As Ireland's constitution requires a referendum here, this would be rejected by our population and yes they might make us vote twice, or three times....it will always be rejected as this referendum is Ireland's number 1 red line and we as a people understand it unlike previous referendums like Lisbon Treaty.

We'll also get backing from countries like Netherlands, Denmark Luxembourg, Sweden and Finland.

Ireland is a very compliant EU member .....look at the bailout and the punishment we took .

However this issue corporation tax is our red line and we'll use it as we see fix in the current laws of our country and the current laws of the EU.
What are you implying the Irish government would do in the event of QMV passing tax harmonisation? The referenda would be irrelevant in such a case.
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They can't.

Article 2 to the legally binding protocol to the Lisbon Treaty reads as follows :
TAXATION
Article 2
Nothing in the Treaty of Lisbon makes any change of any kind,
for any Member State, to the extent or operation of the
competence of the European Union in relation to taxation.
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content ... (01)&rid=4

In any event, the General Court's decision yesterday has stopped the EU Commission using Competition Law as a means of grabbing an additional competence over taxation
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As I said in the NAMA thread.

There's a reasonable debate to be had about Apple's (and others) practice of warehousing monies until they can wangle a better deal on tax but that's not the question she sought to ask.
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As far as I'm aware the issue of us taxing apple never existed and the issue of apple using us doesn't exist anymore?
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CM11 wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:36 pm As far as I'm aware the issue of us taxing apple never existed and the issue of apple using us doesn't exist anymore?
Correct.
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