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He's being charged with terrorism. Think that could backfire pretty spectacularly.

Murder should be easy enough to prove but terrorism?

Domestic Terrorism Offense

Prohibits committing, attempting, soliciting, or conspiring to commit any felony with the intent to intimidate a civilian population; influence government policy by intimidation; or affect government operation. The offense is a felony punishable by up to life in prison or death.

Any half way competent defense team should be able to defend that.

My initial reaction to that is the health care insurance industry is setting out their stall as strongly as they can

Uncle fester wrote: Fri Dec 27, 2024 9:56 pm Could do with a separate thread.
He's being charged with terrorism. Think that could backfire pretty spectacularly.

I completely agree with this decision.

The US Medical Insurance industry is a terrorist organization, designed to cause terror, & widespread harm amongst US citizens, & to cost the US taxpayers untold costs in suppressing this harm, & cleaning up the consequences of their terror !

Uncle fester wrote: Fri Dec 27, 2024 9:59 pm Murder should be easy enough to prove but terrorism?

Domestic Terrorism Offense

Prohibits committing, attempting, soliciting, or conspiring to commit any felony with the intent to intimidate a civilian population; influence government policy by intimidation; or affect government operation. The offense is a felony punishable by up to life in prison or death.

Any half way competent defense team should be able to defend that.

His lawyer has already pleaded at his arraignment hearing that he isn't going to get a fair trial with numerous officials referring to him as guilty already, before trial... she's also had a crack at the ridiculous footage of the police escort as he was transferred with a massive, heavily armed contingent surrounding the shackled prisoner.

It's a circus.

It's quite clear that the establishment and powers that be are trying to make an example of him. They've brought in school shooters and not charged them with terrorism or perp walked them in the way Mangione has been. New York has hundreds of murders a year that go without the resources thrown at them that this case has enjoyed.

sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Dec 28, 2024 12:08 am It's quite clear that the establishment and powers that be are trying to make an example of him. They've brought in school shooters and not charged them with terrorism or perp walked them in the way Mangione has been. New York has hundreds of murders a year that go without the resources thrown at them that this case has enjoyed.

Is part of that not because they had to move him across state lines? I'd imagine if school shooters had to be moved they'd have to whole dog and pony show too.

Terrorism charge is just to get him the death sentence I reckon. They'll be gunning for the death sentence for striking at the heart of American commerce.

Guy Smiley wrote: Sat Dec 28, 2024 12:05 am

Uncle fester wrote: Fri Dec 27, 2024 9:59 pm Murder should be easy enough to prove but terrorism?

Domestic Terrorism Offense

Prohibits committing, attempting, soliciting, or conspiring to commit any felony with the intent to intimidate a civilian population; influence government policy by intimidation; or affect government operation. The offense is a felony punishable by up to life in prison or death.

Any half way competent defense team should be able to defend that.

His lawyer has already pleaded at his arraignment hearing that he isn't going to get a fair trial with numerous officials referring to him as guilty already, before trial... she's also had a crack at the ridiculous footage of the police escort as he was transferred with a massive, heavily armed contingent surrounding the shackled prisoner.

It's a circus.

Yes, I saw a photo of that scene and could not believe my eyes. Mustve been 30 people swarming around him (including Eric Adams). Unlike anything I'd ever seen.

I like neeps wrote: Sat Dec 28, 2024 11:16 am

sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Dec 28, 2024 12:08 am It's quite clear that the establishment and powers that be are trying to make an example of him. They've brought in school shooters and not charged them with terrorism or perp walked them in the way Mangione has been. New York has hundreds of murders a year that go without the resources thrown at them that this case has enjoyed.

Is part of that not because they had to move him across state lines? I'd imagine if school shooters had to be moved they'd have to whole dog and pony show too.

Terrorism charge is just to get him the death sentence I reckon. They'll be gunning for the death sentence for striking at the heart of American commerce.

Whether it's the Marshal service or FBI, they are more than capable of moving even quite high risk prisoners (think organised crime figures, actual domestic terrorists, many of whom will have far more victims under their belt than Mangione and a prospect while in transit of their people trying to free or silence them) across state lines with less fanfare and man power. Mangione's transportation was pure theatre.

I like neeps wrote: Sat Dec 28, 2024 11:16 am

sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Dec 28, 2024 12:08 am It's quite clear that the establishment and powers that be are trying to make an example of him. They've brought in school shooters and not charged them with terrorism or perp walked them in the way Mangione has been. New York has hundreds of murders a year that go without the resources thrown at them that this case has enjoyed.

Is part of that not because they had to move him across state lines? I'd imagine if school shooters had to be moved they'd have to whole dog and pony show too.

Terrorism charge is just to get him the death sentence I reckon. They'll be gunning for the death sentence for striking at the heart of American commerce.

I'm no expert, but I'd guess the terrorism angle is partially to hold the death penalty over him to get him to plead on the other charges and reduce the chance of the trial becoming a circus. Could backfire though if he fights it all and tales it the distance.

The perp walk was pretty ridiculous. Don't think even El Chapo got that kind of service.

It's amazing that they are so brazen about displaying the two tier justice system.

Margin__Walker wrote: Sat Dec 28, 2024 2:09 pm

I like neeps wrote: Sat Dec 28, 2024 11:16 am

sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Dec 28, 2024 12:08 am It's quite clear that the establishment and powers that be are trying to make an example of him. They've brought in school shooters and not charged them with terrorism or perp walked them in the way Mangione has been. New York has hundreds of murders a year that go without the resources thrown at them that this case has enjoyed.

Is part of that not because they had to move him across state lines? I'd imagine if school shooters had to be moved they'd have to whole dog and pony show too.

Terrorism charge is just to get him the death sentence I reckon. They'll be gunning for the death sentence for striking at the heart of American commerce.

I'm no expert, but I'd guess the terrorism angle is partially to hold the death penalty over him to get him to plead on the other charges and reduce the chance of the trial becoming a circus. Could backfire though if he fights it all and tales it the distance.

The perp walk was pretty ridiculous. Don't think even El Chapo got that kind of service.

Biggest circus I have seen since Lee Harvey Oswald

Confirmed that the prosecution will be seeking the death penalty.

Making a martyr. Genius.

Uncle fester wrote: Wed Apr 02, 2025 6:28 pm Confirmed that the prosecution will be seeking the death penalty.

So, the State will be just as guilty as he is. Brilliant.

I had sorta hoped that a few copycats would have come out of the woodwork by now, but I guess the overpaid CEOs are getting security built into their wage packets.

Hellraiser wrote: Wed Apr 02, 2025 7:08 pm Making a martyr. Genius.

Precisely

Uncle fester wrote: Fri Dec 27, 2024 9:56 pm Could do with a separate thread.
He's being charged with terrorism. Think that could backfire pretty spectacularly.

Did he let the tyres down on a Tesla after he shot him?

Should have just shot a couple of black people, he'd be a not guilty MAGA darling by now.