Rapey Tory MP

[Sandstorm]

Anyone know who it is?

[Biffer]

Anyone know who it is?

Not sure why he's got anonymity. Alex Salmond didn't.

[Longshanks]

Anyone know who it is?

Yes. Someone definitely knows who it is

[ASMO]

Whoever it is, we cannot name them here, not until it is in the public domain

[Un Pilier]

Not an MP as far as I have seen so far, fwiw.

[Sandstorm]

Not an MP as far as I have seen so far, fwiw.

BBC said “Tory MP, former cabinet minister”

My money is on Teresa May.

[C69]

The Hunt is on for the culprit.

[Un Pilier]

Guilty until proven innocent, it seems, and already people are prepared to speculate about who is accused (and thus de facto guilty). I thought Theresa May was a bit of a stretch.

[And 1 guest]

Hopefully if guilty he will face the full face of the law and criminal justice. And retire with a peerage.

[Lobby]

One of the issues with naming him, is that this could potentially make it easier to identify the victim, who is guaranteed anonymity for life.

I’m guessing he will be identified if and when he is charged.

[BnM]

Allegedly it's let’s not go there

[C69]

Sacre Bleu....

[tabascoboy]

"in his 50s"

[frodder]

One name is gaining momentum on Twitter.

[redderneck]

The Hunt is on for the culprit.

Very Subtle indeed.

[C69]

The Hunt is on for the culprit.

Very Subtle indeed.

Mark my words there may be a French connection

[Camroc2]

His daddy won the war, you know.

[Longshanks]

It's a hard one. Withdraw the whip and everyone knows who it is, and also the victim's identity will probably become known.

[fishfoodie]

It's a hard one. Withdraw the whip and everyone knows who it is, and also the victim's identity will probably become known.

I'm afraid in such a high level case; in a place like the HoC that ship has sailed.

You can take it as read that there are over a thousand people who know the names.

[Longshanks]

It's a hard one. Withdraw the whip and everyone knows who it is, and also the victim's identity will probably become known.

I'm afraid in such a high level case; in a place like the HoC that ship has sailed.

You can take it as read that there are over a thousand people who know the names.

Don't disagree
But it's not in the public domain.
It's easy to criticise the Tory whip, but there are implications.
Of course if the victim is happy for it to become public knowledge then go for it.
I'd almost equates rape with murder in most cases
And I'd hang them all.

[ASMO]

It's a hard one. Withdraw the whip and everyone knows who it is, and also the victim's identity will probably become known.

I'm afraid in such a high level case; in a place like the HoC that ship has sailed.

You can take it as read that there are over a thousand people who know the names.

Don't disagree
But it's not in the public domain.
It's easy to criticise the Tory whip, but there are implications.
Of course if the victim is happy for it to become public knowledge then go for it.
I'd almost equates rape with murder in most cases
And I'd hang them all.

The greater good good an all that, if a doctor was accused of rape, would he be allowed back on the ward? a teacher back in the classroom? A policeman back on the beat, i dont think so, so why should this parasite be allowed back in Parliament where there are plenty of women who may feel threatened? What is even worse is that monocled cockwomble Rees-Mogg has been sitting on this for a couple of weeks, i sincerely hope that cunt is hung out to dry on this too.

[Sandstorm]

Of course if the victim is happy for it to become public knowledge then go for it.

I don't think you can avoid it these days with the Interwebs. Everyone has an insatiable thirst for bad news and gossip.
Just look at the cnut who started this thread....

[C69]

I'm afraid in such a high level case; in a place like the HoC that ship has sailed.

You can take it as read that there are over a thousand people who know the names.

Don't disagree
But it's not in the public domain.
It's easy to criticise the Tory whip, but there are implications.
Of course if the victim is happy for it to become public knowledge then go for it.
I'd almost equates rape with murder in most cases
And I'd hang them all.

The greater good good an all that, if a doctor was accused of rape, would he be allowed back on the ward? a teacher back in the classroom? A policeman back on the beat, i dont think so, so why should this parasite be allowed back in Parliament where there are plenty of women who may feel threatened? What is even worse is that monocled cockwomble Rees-Mogg has been sitting on this for a couple of weeks, i sincerely hope that cunt is hung out to dry on this too.

Any other professional would be suspended.
MPs should be no different, the Tory whip is a disgrace.

[Un Pilier]

Don't disagree
But it's not in the public domain.
It's easy to criticise the Tory whip, but there are implications.
Of course if the victim is happy for it to become public knowledge then go for it.
I'd almost equates rape with murder in most cases
And I'd hang them all.

The greater good good an all that, if a doctor was accused of rape, would he be allowed back on the ward? a teacher back in the classroom? A policeman back on the beat, i dont think so, so why should this parasite be allowed back in Parliament where there are plenty of women who may feel threatened? What is even worse is that monocled cockwomble Rees-Mogg has been sitting on this for a couple of weeks, i sincerely hope that cunt is hung out to dry on this too.

Any other professional would be suspended.
MPs should be no different, the Tory whip is a disgrace.

I can see there might be issues in regard to legal rights to anonymity (including any victim). But parliament is in recess. I would have thought that the whip could be removed without naming names but tbh I don’t really know whether that is technically possible under parliamentary rules. I guess the key will be whether the alleged offender is charged. If they are charged suspension should follow immediately.

[C69]

The greater good good an all that, if a doctor was accused of rape, would he be allowed back on the ward? a teacher back in the classroom? A policeman back on the beat, i dont think so, so why should this parasite be allowed back in Parliament where there are plenty of women who may feel threatened? What is even worse is that monocled cockwomble Rees-Mogg has been sitting on this for a couple of weeks, i sincerely hope that cunt is hung out to dry on this too.

Any other professional would be suspended.
MPs should be no different, the Tory whip is a disgrace.

I can see there might be issues in regard to legal rights to anonymity (including any victim). But parliament is in recess. I would have thought that the whip could be removed without naming names but tbh I don’t really know whether that is technically possible under parliamentary rules. I guess the key will be whether the alleged offender is charged. If they are charged suspension should follow immediately.

If he was a teacher, a policeman etc etc

He would have been suspended.

[fishfoodie]

I assume that paragon of impartial political reportage; Fawkes, is reporting on this sordid affair with the same gusto he did Alex Salmond ?

[BnM]

Chris Grayling, seriously this man is a public nuisance. Exemption from the laws that apply to the rest of us is unacceptable.

[Un Pilier]

Any other professional would be suspended.
MPs should be no different, the Tory whip is a disgrace.

I can see there might be issues in regard to legal rights to anonymity (including any victim). But parliament is in recess. I would have thought that the whip could be removed without naming names but tbh I don’t really know whether that is technically possible under parliamentary rules. I guess the key will be whether the alleged offender is charged. If they are charged suspension should follow immediately.

If he was a teacher, a policeman etc etc

He would have been suspended.

Yes, but his and potentially the victims name would be less likely to be all over the inter web.

[C69]

I can see there might be issues in regard to legal rights to anonymity (including any victim). But parliament is in recess. I would have thought that the whip could be removed without naming names but tbh I don’t really know whether that is technically possible under parliamentary rules. I guess the key will be whether the alleged offender is charged. If they are charged suspension should follow immediately.

If he was a teacher, a policeman etc etc

He would have been suspended.

Yes, but his and potentially the victims name would be less likely to be all over the inter web.

Suspension is not punishment it is done as so in all professions, from legal to medical to policing.
There is no reason to exempt MPs.

[eldanielfire]

Peak Jess Phillips, shows the fuckery of MPs who only believe in a cause when they think it's a vote winner.

Chris Rose
@ArchRose90
1h
In 2016, Jess Phillips voted against naming & suspending MPs who have not yet been charged.

In 2020, Jess Phillips is outraged that an MP won't be suspended or named before he is charged.

Peak Jess Phillips.

[fishfoodie]

Peak Jess Phillips, shows the fuckery of MPs who only believe in a cause when they think it's a vote winner.

Chris Rose
@ArchRose90
1h
In 2016, Jess Phillips voted against naming & suspending MPs who have not yet been charged.

In 2020, Jess Phillips is outraged that an MP won't be suspended or named before he is charged.

Peak Jess Phillips.

That's a little too convenient.

Did the tweeter say where; "Jess Phillips voted against naming & suspending MPs" ?

[Un Pilier]

If he was a teacher, a policeman etc etc

He would have been suspended.

Yes, but his and potentially the victims name would be less likely to be all over the inter web.

Suspension is not punishment it is done as so in all professions, from legal to medical to policing.
There is no reason to exempt MPs.

I understand it isn’t a punishment because I’m not completely stupid. And is the “all professions” claim a fact or an assertion?

[Line6 HXFX]

I can see how suspension could be misinterperated as an indictator of guilt (by an electorate) and damage or even ruin the career of any politician , before being proved guilty, where as suspension of a doctor or teacher etc wouldn't really ruin his career unless, they were actually proved guilty.

Pupils and Patients don't vote for Teachers or Doctors.

Plus politicians probably also have a lot of politically motivated, desperate arseholes trying to drag them down anyway they can, with wild accusations, and in that world, they have to live or die by the publics perception of them.

As an aside, Trump was accused of rape and all sorts, and conservatives argued it was litigated during the election. That the electorate decided. Welcome to the modern world.

[Longshanks]

If he was a teacher, a policeman etc etc

He would have been suspended.

Yes, but his and potentially the victims name would be less likely to be all over the inter web.

Suspension is not punishment it is done as so in all professions, from legal to medical to policing.
There is no reason to exempt MPs.

There is no reason to exempt them, however there is no legal requirement.
The simple fact is, the police need to bring charges asap if they believe there is evidence.

[sockwithaticket]

Yes, but his and potentially the victims name would be less likely to be all over the inter web.

Suspension is not punishment it is done as so in all professions, from legal to medical to policing.
There is no reason to exempt MPs.

There is no reason to exempt them, however there is no legal requirement.
The simple fact is, the police need to bring charges asap if they believe there is evidence.

Bailed 'til mid-August having been arrested, so you'd think charges would be fairly imminent.

[eldanielfire]

Peak Jess Phillips, shows the fuckery of MPs who only believe in a cause when they think it's a vote winner.

Chris Rose
@ArchRose90
1h
In 2016, Jess Phillips voted against naming & suspending MPs who have not yet been charged.

In 2020, Jess Phillips is outraged that an MP won't be suspended or named before he is charged.

Peak Jess Phillips.

That's a little too convenient.

Did the tweeter say where; "Jess Phillips voted against naming & suspending MPs" ?

In 2016 Parliament voted against MPs being named publicly when arrested because it violated their secrecy.

[JM2K6]

Peak Jess Phillips, shows the fuckery of MPs who only believe in a cause when they think it's a vote winner.

That's a little too convenient.

Did the tweeter say where; "Jess Phillips voted against naming & suspending MPs" ?

In 2016 Parliament voted against MPs being named publicly when arrested because it violated their secrecy.

So when Twitter Tory Boy says she "voted against naming and suspending MPs" he's not actually right is he. And now Jess Phillips is saying that MP should be suspended, because they're a potential danger to everyone else. She's not saying name him, she's saying suspend him: it's people on the other side saying "well, suspending him would out him, and therefore out his victim" that are talking about the MP's identity becoming known.

And the victim is apparently pretty upset he's not been suspended, as you'd imagine.

Here's the relevant legislation [which, for the record, I don't agree with]:

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/c ... /64910.htm

14)Nothing in this protocol shall be taken to affect the operation of police notification schemes to mitigate public protection risks.

It is not inconsistent to have voted for that piece of legislation and to want the alleged rapist suspended. Especially not for a woman who's campaigned on issues like this for a long time.


Let's have less of the really dumb twitter stuff shall we

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Luckily the Tories hate the ECHR and will go full disclosure on this

[lilyw]

That's a little too convenient.

Did the tweeter say where; "Jess Phillips voted against naming & suspending MPs" ?

In 2016 Parliament voted against MPs being named publicly when arrested because it violated their secrecy.

So when Twitter Tory Boy says she "voted against naming and suspending MPs" he's not actually right is he. And now Jess Phillips is saying that MP should be suspended, because they're a potential danger to everyone else. She's not saying name him, she's saying suspend him: it's people on the other side saying "well, suspending him would out him, and therefore out his victim" that are talking about the MP's identity becoming known.

And the victim is apparently pretty upset he's not been suspended, as you'd imagine.

Here's the relevant legislation [which, for the record, I don't agree with]:

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/c ... /64910.htm

14)Nothing in this protocol shall be taken to affect the operation of police notification schemes to mitigate public protection risks.

It is not inconsistent to have voted for that piece of legislation and to want the alleged rapist suspended. Especially not for a woman who's campaigned on issues like this for a long time.


Let's have less of the really dumb twitter stuff shall we

So it's ok to be for something in principle, but against it when it is on a topic that you really care about!

Glad that you cleared that up

[Rhubarb & Custard]

So it's ok to be for something in principle, but against it when it is on a topic that you really care about!

Glad that you cleared that up

You could be for not naming MPs who've been arrested, especially in light of the right to privacy under ECHR, and you could be for the suspension of workers who've been arrested for rape pending an outcome to the investigation. How one deals with multiple reasonable but competing aims is the query