Rapey Tory MP
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:09 pm
Anyone know who it is?
Not sure why he's got anonymity. Alex Salmond didn't.
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Re: Rapey Tory MP
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:47 pm
Re: Rapey Tory MP
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:00 pm
Yes. Someone definitely knows who it is
Re: Rapey Tory MP
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:16 pm
Whoever it is, we cannot name them here, not until it is in the public domain
Re: Rapey Tory MP
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:44 pm
Not an MP as far as I have seen so far, fwiw.
Re: Rapey Tory MP
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:46 pm
BBC said “Tory MP, former cabinet minister”
My money is on Teresa May.
Re: Rapey Tory MP
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:10 pm
The Hunt is on for the culprit.
Re: Rapey Tory MP
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:25 pm
Guilty until proven innocent, it seems, and already people are prepared to speculate about who is accused (and thus de facto guilty). I thought Theresa May was a bit of a stretch.
Re: Rapey Tory MP
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:34 pm
Hopefully if guilty he will face the full face of the law and criminal justice. And retire with a peerage.
Re: Rapey Tory MP
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:56 pm
One of the issues with naming him, is that this could potentially make it easier to identify the victim, who is guaranteed anonymity for life.
I’m guessing he will be identified if and when he is charged.
I’m guessing he will be identified if and when he is charged.
Re: Rapey Tory MP
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:27 pm
Allegedly it's let’s not go there
Re: Rapey Tory MP
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:17 am
Sacre Bleu.... 
Re: Rapey Tory MP
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:53 am
"in his 50s"
Re: Rapey Tory MP
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:59 am
One name is gaining momentum on Twitter.
Re: Rapey Tory MP
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:59 am
Very Subtle indeed.
Re: Rapey Tory MP
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:13 am
Mark my words there may be a French connection
Re: Rapey Tory MP
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:21 am
His daddy won the war, you know.
Re: Rapey Tory MP
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:51 pm
It's a hard one. Withdraw the whip and everyone knows who it is, and also the victim's identity will probably become known.
Re: Rapey Tory MP
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:32 pm
I'm afraid in such a high level case; in a place like the HoC that ship has sailed.Longshanks wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:51 pm It's a hard one. Withdraw the whip and everyone knows who it is, and also the victim's identity will probably become known.
You can take it as read that there are over a thousand people who know the names.
Re: Rapey Tory MP
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:42 pm
Don't disagreefishfoodie wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:32 pmI'm afraid in such a high level case; in a place like the HoC that ship has sailed.Longshanks wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:51 pm It's a hard one. Withdraw the whip and everyone knows who it is, and also the victim's identity will probably become known.
You can take it as read that there are over a thousand people who know the names.
But it's not in the public domain.
It's easy to criticise the Tory whip, but there are implications.
Of course if the victim is happy for it to become public knowledge then go for it.
I'd almost equates rape with murder in most cases
And I'd hang them all.
Re: Rapey Tory MP
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:44 pm
The greater good good an all that, if a doctor was accused of rape, would he be allowed back on the ward? a teacher back in the classroom? A policeman back on the beat, i dont think so, so why should this parasite be allowed back in Parliament where there are plenty of women who may feel threatened? What is even worse is that monocled cockwomble Rees-Mogg has been sitting on this for a couple of weeks, i sincerely hope that cunt is hung out to dry on this too.Longshanks wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:42 pmDon't disagreefishfoodie wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:32 pmI'm afraid in such a high level case; in a place like the HoC that ship has sailed.Longshanks wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:51 pm It's a hard one. Withdraw the whip and everyone knows who it is, and also the victim's identity will probably become known.
You can take it as read that there are over a thousand people who know the names.
But it's not in the public domain.
It's easy to criticise the Tory whip, but there are implications.
Of course if the victim is happy for it to become public knowledge then go for it.
I'd almost equates rape with murder in most cases
And I'd hang them all.
Re: Rapey Tory MP
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:59 pm
I don't think you can avoid it these days with the Interwebs. Everyone has an insatiable thirst for bad news and gossip.Longshanks wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:42 pm
Of course if the victim is happy for it to become public knowledge then go for it.
Just look at the cnut who started this thread....
Re: Rapey Tory MP
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:27 pm
Any other professional would be suspended.ASMO wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:44 pmThe greater good good an all that, if a doctor was accused of rape, would he be allowed back on the ward? a teacher back in the classroom? A policeman back on the beat, i dont think so, so why should this parasite be allowed back in Parliament where there are plenty of women who may feel threatened? What is even worse is that monocled cockwomble Rees-Mogg has been sitting on this for a couple of weeks, i sincerely hope that cunt is hung out to dry on this too.Longshanks wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:42 pmDon't disagreefishfoodie wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:32 pm
I'm afraid in such a high level case; in a place like the HoC that ship has sailed.
You can take it as read that there are over a thousand people who know the names.
But it's not in the public domain.
It's easy to criticise the Tory whip, but there are implications.
Of course if the victim is happy for it to become public knowledge then go for it.
I'd almost equates rape with murder in most cases
And I'd hang them all.
MPs should be no different, the Tory whip is a disgrace.
Re: Rapey Tory MP
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:46 pm
I can see there might be issues in regard to legal rights to anonymity (including any victim). But parliament is in recess. I would have thought that the whip could be removed without naming names but tbh I don’t really know whether that is technically possible under parliamentary rules. I guess the key will be whether the alleged offender is charged. If they are charged suspension should follow immediately.C69 wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:27 pmAny other professional would be suspended.ASMO wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:44 pmThe greater good good an all that, if a doctor was accused of rape, would he be allowed back on the ward? a teacher back in the classroom? A policeman back on the beat, i dont think so, so why should this parasite be allowed back in Parliament where there are plenty of women who may feel threatened? What is even worse is that monocled cockwomble Rees-Mogg has been sitting on this for a couple of weeks, i sincerely hope that cunt is hung out to dry on this too.Longshanks wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:42 pm
Don't disagree
But it's not in the public domain.
It's easy to criticise the Tory whip, but there are implications.
Of course if the victim is happy for it to become public knowledge then go for it.
I'd almost equates rape with murder in most cases
And I'd hang them all.
MPs should be no different, the Tory whip is a disgrace.
Re: Rapey Tory MP
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:56 pm
If he was a teacher, a policeman etc etcUn Pilier wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:46 pmI can see there might be issues in regard to legal rights to anonymity (including any victim). But parliament is in recess. I would have thought that the whip could be removed without naming names but tbh I don’t really know whether that is technically possible under parliamentary rules. I guess the key will be whether the alleged offender is charged. If they are charged suspension should follow immediately.C69 wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:27 pmAny other professional would be suspended.ASMO wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:44 pm
The greater good good an all that, if a doctor was accused of rape, would he be allowed back on the ward? a teacher back in the classroom? A policeman back on the beat, i dont think so, so why should this parasite be allowed back in Parliament where there are plenty of women who may feel threatened? What is even worse is that monocled cockwomble Rees-Mogg has been sitting on this for a couple of weeks, i sincerely hope that cunt is hung out to dry on this too.
MPs should be no different, the Tory whip is a disgrace.
He would have been suspended.
Re: Rapey Tory MP
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 4:01 pm
I assume that paragon of impartial political reportage; Fawkes, is reporting on this sordid affair with the same gusto he did Alex Salmond ?
Re: Rapey Tory MP
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 4:06 pm
Chris Grayling, seriously this man is a public nuisance. Exemption from the laws that apply to the rest of us is unacceptable.
Re: Rapey Tory MP
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 4:13 pm
Yes, but his and potentially the victims name would be less likely to be all over the inter web.C69 wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:56 pmIf he was a teacher, a policeman etc etcUn Pilier wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:46 pmI can see there might be issues in regard to legal rights to anonymity (including any victim). But parliament is in recess. I would have thought that the whip could be removed without naming names but tbh I don’t really know whether that is technically possible under parliamentary rules. I guess the key will be whether the alleged offender is charged. If they are charged suspension should follow immediately.C69 wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:27 pm
Any other professional would be suspended.
MPs should be no different, the Tory whip is a disgrace.
He would have been suspended.
Re: Rapey Tory MP
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:35 pm
Suspension is not punishment it is done as so in all professions, from legal to medical to policing.Un Pilier wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 4:13 pmYes, but his and potentially the victims name would be less likely to be all over the inter web.C69 wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:56 pmIf he was a teacher, a policeman etc etcUn Pilier wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:46 pm
I can see there might be issues in regard to legal rights to anonymity (including any victim). But parliament is in recess. I would have thought that the whip could be removed without naming names but tbh I don’t really know whether that is technically possible under parliamentary rules. I guess the key will be whether the alleged offender is charged. If they are charged suspension should follow immediately.
He would have been suspended.
There is no reason to exempt MPs.
Re: Rapey Tory MP
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:02 pm
Peak Jess Phillips, shows the fuckery of MPs who only believe in a cause when they think it's a vote winner.
Chris Rose
@ArchRose90
1h
In 2016, Jess Phillips voted against naming & suspending MPs who have not yet been charged.
In 2020, Jess Phillips is outraged that an MP won't be suspended or named before he is charged.
Peak Jess Phillips.
Re: Rapey Tory MP
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:56 pm
That's a little too convenient.eldanielfire wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:02 pm Peak Jess Phillips, shows the fuckery of MPs who only believe in a cause when they think it's a vote winner.
Chris Rose
@ArchRose90
1h
In 2016, Jess Phillips voted against naming & suspending MPs who have not yet been charged.
In 2020, Jess Phillips is outraged that an MP won't be suspended or named before he is charged.
Peak Jess Phillips.
Did the tweeter say where; "Jess Phillips voted against naming & suspending MPs" ?
Re: Rapey Tory MP
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:02 pm
I understand it isn’t a punishment because I’m not completely stupid. And is the “all professions” claim a fact or an assertion?C69 wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:35 pmSuspension is not punishment it is done as so in all professions, from legal to medical to policing.
There is no reason to exempt MPs.
Re: Rapey Tory MP
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:22 pm
I can see how suspension could be misinterperated as an indictator of guilt (by an electorate) and damage or even ruin the career of any politician , before being proved guilty, where as suspension of a doctor or teacher etc wouldn't really ruin his career unless, they were actually proved guilty.
Pupils and Patients don't vote for Teachers or Doctors.
Plus politicians probably also have a lot of politically motivated, desperate arseholes trying to drag them down anyway they can, with wild accusations, and in that world, they have to live or die by the publics perception of them.
As an aside, Trump was accused of rape and all sorts, and conservatives argued it was litigated during the election. That the electorate decided. Welcome to the modern world.
Pupils and Patients don't vote for Teachers or Doctors.
Plus politicians probably also have a lot of politically motivated, desperate arseholes trying to drag them down anyway they can, with wild accusations, and in that world, they have to live or die by the publics perception of them.
As an aside, Trump was accused of rape and all sorts, and conservatives argued it was litigated during the election. That the electorate decided. Welcome to the modern world.
Re: Rapey Tory MP
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:03 pm
There is no reason to exempt them, however there is no legal requirement.C69 wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:35 pmSuspension is not punishment it is done as so in all professions, from legal to medical to policing.
There is no reason to exempt MPs.
The simple fact is, the police need to bring charges asap if they believe there is evidence.
Re: Rapey Tory MP
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:53 pm
Bailed 'til mid-August having been arrested, so you'd think charges would be fairly imminent.Longshanks wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:03 pmThere is no reason to exempt them, however there is no legal requirement.C69 wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:35 pmSuspension is not punishment it is done as so in all professions, from legal to medical to policing.Un Pilier wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 4:13 pm
Yes, but his and potentially the victims name would be less likely to be all over the inter web.
There is no reason to exempt MPs.
The simple fact is, the police need to bring charges asap if they believe there is evidence.
Re: Rapey Tory MP
Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 12:10 am
In 2016 Parliament voted against MPs being named publicly when arrested because it violated their secrecy.fishfoodie wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:56 pmThat's a little too convenient.eldanielfire wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:02 pm Peak Jess Phillips, shows the fuckery of MPs who only believe in a cause when they think it's a vote winner.
Chris Rose
@ArchRose90
1h
In 2016, Jess Phillips voted against naming & suspending MPs who have not yet been charged.
In 2020, Jess Phillips is outraged that an MP won't be suspended or named before he is charged.
Peak Jess Phillips.
Did the tweeter say where; "Jess Phillips voted against naming & suspending MPs" ?
Re: Rapey Tory MP
Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:03 am
So when Twitter Tory Boy says she "voted against naming and suspending MPs" he's not actually right is he. And now Jess Phillips is saying that MP should be suspended, because they're a potential danger to everyone else. She's not saying name him, she's saying suspend him: it's people on the other side saying "well, suspending him would out him, and therefore out his victim" that are talking about the MP's identity becoming known.eldanielfire wrote: Tue Aug 04, 2020 12:10 amIn 2016 Parliament voted against MPs being named publicly when arrested because it violated their secrecy.fishfoodie wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:56 pmThat's a little too convenient.eldanielfire wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:02 pm Peak Jess Phillips, shows the fuckery of MPs who only believe in a cause when they think it's a vote winner.
Did the tweeter say where; "Jess Phillips voted against naming & suspending MPs" ?
And the victim is apparently pretty upset he's not been suspended, as you'd imagine.
Here's the relevant legislation [which, for the record, I don't agree with]:
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/c ... /64910.htm
It is not inconsistent to have voted for that piece of legislation and to want the alleged rapist suspended. Especially not for a woman who's campaigned on issues like this for a long time.14)Nothing in this protocol shall be taken to affect the operation of police notification schemes to mitigate public protection risks.
Let's have less of the really dumb twitter stuff shall we
Re: Rapey Tory MP
Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:32 am
Luckily the Tories hate the ECHR and will go full disclosure on this
Re: Rapey Tory MP
Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:26 am
So it's ok to be for something in principle, but against it when it is on a topic that you really care about!JM2K6 wrote: Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:03 amSo when Twitter Tory Boy says she "voted against naming and suspending MPs" he's not actually right is he. And now Jess Phillips is saying that MP should be suspended, because they're a potential danger to everyone else. She's not saying name him, she's saying suspend him: it's people on the other side saying "well, suspending him would out him, and therefore out his victim" that are talking about the MP's identity becoming known.eldanielfire wrote: Tue Aug 04, 2020 12:10 amIn 2016 Parliament voted against MPs being named publicly when arrested because it violated their secrecy.fishfoodie wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:56 pm
That's a little too convenient.
Did the tweeter say where; "Jess Phillips voted against naming & suspending MPs" ?
And the victim is apparently pretty upset he's not been suspended, as you'd imagine.
Here's the relevant legislation [which, for the record, I don't agree with]:
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/c ... /64910.htm
It is not inconsistent to have voted for that piece of legislation and to want the alleged rapist suspended. Especially not for a woman who's campaigned on issues like this for a long time.14)Nothing in this protocol shall be taken to affect the operation of police notification schemes to mitigate public protection risks.
Let's have less of the really dumb twitter stuff shall we
Glad that you cleared that up
Re: Rapey Tory MP
Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:38 am
You could be for not naming MPs who've been arrested, especially in light of the right to privacy under ECHR, and you could be for the suspension of workers who've been arrested for rape pending an outcome to the investigation. How one deals with multiple reasonable but competing aims is the querylilyw wrote: Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:26 am
So it's ok to be for something in principle, but against it when it is on a topic that you really care about!
Glad that you cleared that up