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Opensides Butler wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:42 pm Ma'am, your tartan skirt is freshly pressed.

Openside wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:40 pm I am watching Portrait Artist of the year and the sitter is Eddie Izzard, they are using the pronoun her to describe the sitter. If you are a cross dresser ( as I believe EI is) do you refer to them as her in a dress and him when not? I kind of thought a cross dresser was a bloke that enjoyed dressing as a woman (basically like 80% of Royal Marines) as opposed to a transsexual who actually identifies as a woman (if biologically male)

Openside wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:40 pm I am watching Portrait Artist of the year and the sitter is Eddie Izzard, they are using the pronoun her to describe the sitter. If you are a cross dresser ( as I believe EI is) do you refer to them as her in a dress and him when not? I kind of thought a cross dresser was a bloke that enjoyed dressing as a woman (basically like 80% of Royal Marines) as opposed to a transsexual who actually identifies as a woman (if biologically male)

hlvp wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:18 am

Openside wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:40 pm I am watching Portrait Artist of the year and the sitter is Eddie Izzard, they are using the pronoun her to describe the sitter. If you are a cross dresser ( as I believe EI is) do you refer to them as her in a dress and him when not? I kind of thought a cross dresser was a bloke that enjoyed dressing as a woman (basically like 80% of Royal Marines) as opposed to a transsexual who actually identifies as a woman (if biologically male)

In my former life, one's sexuality was indicated on a birth certificate.

Shanky’s mate wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:10 am

hlvp wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:18 am

Openside wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:40 pm I am watching Portrait Artist of the year and the sitter is Eddie Izzard, they are using the pronoun her to describe the sitter. If you are a cross dresser ( as I believe EI is) do you refer to them as her in a dress and him when not? I kind of thought a cross dresser was a bloke that enjoyed dressing as a woman (basically like 80% of Royal Marines) as opposed to a transsexual who actually identifies as a woman (if biologically male)

In my former life, one's sexuality was indicated on a birth certificate.

No, it wasn’t. No one was ever labelled ‘gay’ or ‘hetero’ on a birth certificate. You are trying to refer to gender.

Shanky’s mate wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:10 am

hlvp wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:18 am

Openside wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:40 pm I am watching Portrait Artist of the year and the sitter is Eddie Izzard, they are using the pronoun her to describe the sitter. If you are a cross dresser ( as I believe EI is) do you refer to them as her in a dress and him when not? I kind of thought a cross dresser was a bloke that enjoyed dressing as a woman (basically like 80% of Royal Marines) as opposed to a transsexual who actually identifies as a woman (if biologically male)

In my former life, one's sexuality was indicated on a birth certificate.

No, it wasn’t. No one was ever labelled ‘gay’ or ‘hetero’ on a birth certificate. You are trying to refer to gender.

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:31 am

Shanky’s mate wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:10 am

hlvp wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:18 am

In my former life, one's sexuality was indicated on a birth certificate.

No, it wasn’t. No one was ever labelled ‘gay’ or ‘hetero’ on a birth certificate. You are trying to refer to gender.

Sex, very few mentions of gender on a birth certificate I'd have thought

And whilst Eddie once might have been thought a man who liked dressing as a woman it's quite likely her thinking on this has changed as society has also come to consider the matter and be more flexible in its thinking. So far as I know Eddie is now a lesbian in a man's body, though that's based on a comedy routine by Eddie rather than any actual knowledge

Openside wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:11 am

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:31 am

Shanky’s mate wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:10 am

No, it wasn’t. No one was ever labelled ‘gay’ or ‘hetero’ on a birth certificate. You are trying to refer to gender.

Sex, very few mentions of gender on a birth certificate I'd have thought

And whilst Eddie once might have been thought a man who liked dressing as a woman it's quite likely her thinking on this has changed as society has also come to consider the matter and be more flexible in its thinking. So far as I know Eddie is now a lesbian in a man's body, though that's based on a comedy routine by Eddie rather than any actual knowledge

God it’s a minefield
I fully support his/her wish to be anything he/she wants, however it is quite anomalous when you see someone in a dress and makeup who essentially looks like a navvie.

westport wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:22 am There are only male and females, the rest are life style choices

ScarfaceClaw wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:53 am After he died on his arse on stage at some Labour/Corbyn love in picnic where the few who bothered to turn up pretty much ignored him and his swearing routines, the best he can hope for is “used to be relevant”.

JM2K6 wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:15 am Eddie doesn't seem to care if you call him he or she, apparently. I missed his coming out as transgender a few years back.

Openside wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:40 pm I am watching Portrait Artist of the year and the sitter is Eddie Izzard, they are using the pronoun her to describe the sitter. If you are a cross dresser ( as I believe EI is) do you refer to them as her in a dress and him when not? I kind of thought a cross dresser was a bloke that enjoyed dressing as a woman (basically like 80% of Royal Marines) as opposed to a transsexual who actually identifies as a woman (if biologically male)

hlvp wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:18 am

Openside wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:40 pm I am watching Portrait Artist of the year and the sitter is Eddie Izzard, they are using the pronoun her to describe the sitter. If you are a cross dresser ( as I believe EI is) do you refer to them as her in a dress and him when not? I kind of thought a cross dresser was a bloke that enjoyed dressing as a woman (basically like 80% of Royal Marines) as opposed to a transsexual who actually identifies as a woman (if biologically male)

In my former life, one's sexuality was indicated on a birth certificate.

Biffer wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:00 pm

hlvp wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:18 am

Openside wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:40 pm I am watching Portrait Artist of the year and the sitter is Eddie Izzard, they are using the pronoun her to describe the sitter. If you are a cross dresser ( as I believe EI is) do you refer to them as her in a dress and him when not? I kind of thought a cross dresser was a bloke that enjoyed dressing as a woman (basically like 80% of Royal Marines) as opposed to a transsexual who actually identifies as a woman (if biologically male)

In my former life, one's sexuality was indicated on a birth certificate.

Late entry to the 'dumbest post of the year' category in the end of year awards, in a year where the bar is very high indeed.

Watch out for a late rush of idiocy from bimbot to try and secure his position.

Glaston wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:13 pm

Biffer wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:00 pm

hlvp wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:18 am

In my former life, one's sexuality was indicated on a birth certificate.

Late entry to the 'dumbest post of the year' category in the end of year awards, in a year where the bar is very high indeed.

Watch out for a late rush of idiocy from bimbot to try and secure his position.

What does it say on your birth certificate?

The options on mine are,
sex : Male or Female.

Glaston wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:13 pm

Biffer wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:00 pm

hlvp wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:18 am

In my former life, one's sexuality was indicated on a birth certificate.

Late entry to the 'dumbest post of the year' category in the end of year awards, in a year where the bar is very high indeed.

Watch out for a late rush of idiocy from bimbot to try and secure his position.

What does it say on your birth certificate?

The options on mine are,
sex : Male or Female.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:47 pm

Openside wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:40 pm I am watching Portrait Artist of the year and the sitter is Eddie Izzard, they are using the pronoun her to describe the sitter. If you are a cross dresser ( as I believe EI is) do you refer to them as her in a dress and him when not? I kind of thought a cross dresser was a bloke that enjoyed dressing as a woman (basically like 80% of Royal Marines) as opposed to a transsexual who actually identifies as a woman (if biologically male)

Awful programme. Judges are typical, contrary loveees and select winners based on pseudo criteria that only they, as experts, could appreciate.

Would be fine if we just had the artists and no judges.

Openside wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:13 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:47 pm

Openside wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:40 pm I am watching Portrait Artist of the year and the sitter is Eddie Izzard, they are using the pronoun her to describe the sitter. If you are a cross dresser ( as I believe EI is) do you refer to them as her in a dress and him when not? I kind of thought a cross dresser was a bloke that enjoyed dressing as a woman (basically like 80% of Royal Marines) as opposed to a transsexual who actually identifies as a woman (if biologically male)

Awful programme. Judges are typical, contrary loveees and select winners based on pseudo criteria that only they, as experts, could appreciate.

Would be fine if we just had the artists and no judges.

I really like it as I have the artistic ability of a primary school child (and not one of the good ones) I agree re the judges they seem to waft through any old shite. The whole thing was won by someone who I can only describe as a scribbler, but he certainly ticked a few diversity boxes. Horses for courses I guess...

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:37 pm

Openside wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:13 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:47 pm

Awful programme. Judges are typical, contrary loveees and select winners based on pseudo criteria that only they, as experts, could appreciate.

Would be fine if we just had the artists and no judges.

I really like it as I have the artistic ability of a primary school child (and not one of the good ones) I agree re the judges they seem to waft through any old shite. The whole thing was won by someone who I can only describe as a scribbler, but he certainly ticked a few diversity boxes. Horses for courses I guess...

Yup. Some of the artists are amazing. They are the ones who get booted first up. At least Masterchef doesn't try and wave through contestants who empty a packet of McDonalds onto a plate.

Gumboot wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:46 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:37 pm

Openside wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:13 pm

I really like it as I have the artistic ability of a primary school child (and not one of the good ones) I agree re the judges they seem to waft through any old shite. The whole thing was won by someone who I can only describe as a scribbler, but he certainly ticked a few diversity boxes. Horses for courses I guess...

Yup. Some of the artists are amazing. They are the ones who get booted first up. At least Masterchef doesn't try and wave through contestants who empty a packet of McDonalds onto a plate.

I really enjoy watching the artists develop their portraits. Couldn't care less about the judges' waffle or who they choose. It's the artistic process and variety of approaches on show that interests me.

SaintK wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 11:42 am

JM2K6 wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:15 am Eddie doesn't seem to care if you call him he or she, apparently. I missed his coming out as transgender a few years back.

Nor does Grayson Perry by the looks of him on Have I got news for you last week
He was in full Maggie Thatcher regalia. The wig was particularly accurate

Openside wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:40 pm I am watching Portrait Artist of the year and the sitter is Eddie Izzard, they are using the pronoun her to describe the sitter. If you are a cross dresser ( as I believe EI is) do you refer to them as her in a dress and him when not? I kind of thought a cross dresser was a bloke that enjoyed dressing as a woman (basically like 80% of Royal Marines) as opposed to a transsexual who actually identifies as a woman (if biologically male)

notfatcat wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 8:54 pm

Openside wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:40 pm I am watching Portrait Artist of the year and the sitter is Eddie Izzard, they are using the pronoun her to describe the sitter. If you are a cross dresser ( as I believe EI is) do you refer to them as her in a dress and him when not? I kind of thought a cross dresser was a bloke that enjoyed dressing as a woman (basically like 80% of Royal Marines) as opposed to a transsexual who actually identifies as a woman (if biologically male)

I think Izzard is happy as a bloke in a dress. If he wanted to be called Edwina or Marjory then it would be polite to refer to him as her when he's wearing a frock.

I know a cross-dresser and used to call him by his female name when he was dressed as a woman and his male name when dressed as a bloke. I think he's given up the frocks in public as he was getting beaten up, which is sickening enough as it is but the bloke's aged around 60 and harmless.

Big Nipper wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:20 am Not a genuine question at all. Just another loaded question from an out of touch boomer

Openside wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:27 am

Big Nipper wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:20 am Not a genuine question at all. Just another loaded question from an out of touch boomer

Yet more uninformed opinion from a dribbling snowflake moron.

There was nothing loaded about it all all I was genuinely interested so I was informed should the need arise.

Slick wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:38 am

Openside wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:27 am

Big Nipper wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:20 am Not a genuine question at all. Just another loaded question from an out of touch boomer

Yet more uninformed opinion from a dribbling snowflake moron.

There was nothing loaded about it all all I was genuinely interested so I was informed should the need arise.

Folk have the right to be called what they want but they also have to have the understanding that people will make genuine mistakes and should have the humility not to beat them with that