Genuine question

[Openside]

I am watching Portrait Artist of the year and the sitter is Eddie Izzard, they are using the pronoun her to describe the sitter. If you are a cross dresser ( as I believe EI is) do you refer to them as her in a dress and him when not? I kind of thought a cross dresser was a bloke that enjoyed dressing as a woman (basically like 80% of Royal Marines) as opposed to a transsexual who actually identifies as a woman (if biologically male)

[Opensides Butler]

Ma'am, your tartan skirt is freshly pressed.

[Openside]

Ma'am, your tartan skirt is freshly pressed.

Very good. I am however am really interested in the answer.

[Random1]

I am watching Portrait Artist of the year and the sitter is Eddie Izzard, they are using the pronoun her to describe the sitter. If you are a cross dresser ( as I believe EI is) do you refer to them as her in a dress and him when not? I kind of thought a cross dresser was a bloke that enjoyed dressing as a woman (basically like 80% of Royal Marines) as opposed to a transsexual who actually identifies as a woman (if biologically male)

Suppose it’s dictated by the person being described.

[hlvp]

I am watching Portrait Artist of the year and the sitter is Eddie Izzard, they are using the pronoun her to describe the sitter. If you are a cross dresser ( as I believe EI is) do you refer to them as her in a dress and him when not? I kind of thought a cross dresser was a bloke that enjoyed dressing as a woman (basically like 80% of Royal Marines) as opposed to a transsexual who actually identifies as a woman (if biologically male)

In my former life, one's sexuality was indicated on a birth certificate.

[Guy Smiley]

I am watching Portrait Artist of the year and the sitter is Eddie Izzard, they are using the pronoun her to describe the sitter. If you are a cross dresser ( as I believe EI is) do you refer to them as her in a dress and him when not? I kind of thought a cross dresser was a bloke that enjoyed dressing as a woman (basically like 80% of Royal Marines) as opposed to a transsexual who actually identifies as a woman (if biologically male)

In my former life, one's sexuality was indicated on a birth certificate.

No, it wasn’t. No one was ever labelled ‘gay’ or ‘hetero’ on a birth certificate. You are trying to refer to gender.

[Carter's Choice]

I am watching Portrait Artist of the year and the sitter is Eddie Izzard, they are using the pronoun her to describe the sitter. If you are a cross dresser ( as I believe EI is) do you refer to them as her in a dress and him when not? I kind of thought a cross dresser was a bloke that enjoyed dressing as a woman (basically like 80% of Royal Marines) as opposed to a transsexual who actually identifies as a woman (if biologically male)

In my former life, one's sexuality was indicated on a birth certificate.

No, it wasn’t. No one was ever labelled ‘gay’ or ‘hetero’ on a birth certificate. You are trying to refer to gender.

What a stupid comment by hlvp. He is so dumb

[Rhubarb & Custard]

I am watching Portrait Artist of the year and the sitter is Eddie Izzard, they are using the pronoun her to describe the sitter. If you are a cross dresser ( as I believe EI is) do you refer to them as her in a dress and him when not? I kind of thought a cross dresser was a bloke that enjoyed dressing as a woman (basically like 80% of Royal Marines) as opposed to a transsexual who actually identifies as a woman (if biologically male)

In my former life, one's sexuality was indicated on a birth certificate.

No, it wasn’t. No one was ever labelled ‘gay’ or ‘hetero’ on a birth certificate. You are trying to refer to gender.

Sex, very few mentions of gender on a birth certificate I'd have thought

And whilst Eddie once might have been thought a man who liked dressing as a woman it's quite likely her thinking on this has changed as society has also come to consider the matter and be more flexible in its thinking. So far as I know Eddie is now a lesbian in a man's body, though that's based on a comedy routine by Eddie rather than any actual knowledge

[Openside]

In my former life, one's sexuality was indicated on a birth certificate.

No, it wasn’t. No one was ever labelled ‘gay’ or ‘hetero’ on a birth certificate. You are trying to refer to gender.

Sex, very few mentions of gender on a birth certificate I'd have thought

And whilst Eddie once might have been thought a man who liked dressing as a woman it's quite likely her thinking on this has changed as society has also come to consider the matter and be more flexible in its thinking. So far as I know Eddie is now a lesbian in a man's body, though that's based on a comedy routine by Eddie rather than any actual knowledge

God it’s a minefield
I fully support his/her wish to be anything he/she wants, however it is quite anomalous when you see someone in a dress and makeup who essentially looks like a navvie.

[GogLais]

No, it wasn’t. No one was ever labelled ‘gay’ or ‘hetero’ on a birth certificate. You are trying to refer to gender.

Sex, very few mentions of gender on a birth certificate I'd have thought

And whilst Eddie once might have been thought a man who liked dressing as a woman it's quite likely her thinking on this has changed as society has also come to consider the matter and be more flexible in its thinking. So far as I know Eddie is now a lesbian in a man's body, though that's based on a comedy routine by Eddie rather than any actual knowledge

God it’s a minefield
I fully support his/her wish to be anything he/she wants, however it is quite anomalous when you see someone in a dress and makeup who essentially looks like a navvie.

Careful, you don’t want to be cancelled.

[JM2K6]

Eddie doesn't seem to care if you call him he or she, apparently. I missed his coming out as transgender a few years back.

[westport]

There are only male and females, the rest are life style choices

[Raggs]

There are only male and females, the rest are life style choices

And hemaphrodites?

[ScarfaceClaw]

After he died on his arse on stage at some Labour/Corbyn love in picnic where the few who bothered to turn up pretty much ignored him and his swearing routines, the best he can hope for is “used to be relevant”.

[Globus]

The Death Star Canteen sketch (in Lego) is a classic.

[Sandstorm]

After he died on his arse on stage at some Labour/Corbyn love in picnic where the few who bothered to turn up pretty much ignored him and his swearing routines, the best he can hope for is “used to be relevant”.

Rather poor choice of venue for a comedian. You'd think he'd pick a crowd who knew how to laugh.

[SaintK]

Eddie doesn't seem to care if you call him he or she, apparently. I missed his coming out as transgender a few years back.

Nor does Grayson Perry by the looks of him on Have I got news for you last week
He was in full Maggie Thatcher regalia. The wig was particularly accurate

[Torquemada 1420]

I am watching Portrait Artist of the year and the sitter is Eddie Izzard, they are using the pronoun her to describe the sitter. If you are a cross dresser ( as I believe EI is) do you refer to them as her in a dress and him when not? I kind of thought a cross dresser was a bloke that enjoyed dressing as a woman (basically like 80% of Royal Marines) as opposed to a transsexual who actually identifies as a woman (if biologically male)

Awful programme. Judges are typical, contrary loveees and select winners based on pseudo criteria that only they, as experts, could appreciate.

Would be fine if we just had the artists and no judges.

[Biffer]

I am watching Portrait Artist of the year and the sitter is Eddie Izzard, they are using the pronoun her to describe the sitter. If you are a cross dresser ( as I believe EI is) do you refer to them as her in a dress and him when not? I kind of thought a cross dresser was a bloke that enjoyed dressing as a woman (basically like 80% of Royal Marines) as opposed to a transsexual who actually identifies as a woman (if biologically male)

In my former life, one's sexuality was indicated on a birth certificate.

Late entry to the 'dumbest post of the year' category in the end of year awards, in a year where the bar is very high indeed.

Watch out for a late rush of idiocy from bimbot to try and secure his position.

[Glaston]

I am watching Portrait Artist of the year and the sitter is Eddie Izzard, they are using the pronoun her to describe the sitter. If you are a cross dresser ( as I believe EI is) do you refer to them as her in a dress and him when not? I kind of thought a cross dresser was a bloke that enjoyed dressing as a woman (basically like 80% of Royal Marines) as opposed to a transsexual who actually identifies as a woman (if biologically male)

In my former life, one's sexuality was indicated on a birth certificate.

Late entry to the 'dumbest post of the year' category in the end of year awards, in a year where the bar is very high indeed.

Watch out for a late rush of idiocy from bimbot to try and secure his position.

What does it say on your birth certificate?

The options on mine are,
sex : Male or Female.

[Raggs]

In my former life, one's sexuality was indicated on a birth certificate.

Late entry to the 'dumbest post of the year' category in the end of year awards, in a year where the bar is very high indeed.

Watch out for a late rush of idiocy from bimbot to try and secure his position.

What does it say on your birth certificate?

The options on mine are,
sex : Male or Female.

And how about your sexuality, which is what hlvp wrote?

[Biffer]

In my former life, one's sexuality was indicated on a birth certificate.

Late entry to the 'dumbest post of the year' category in the end of year awards, in a year where the bar is very high indeed.

Watch out for a late rush of idiocy from bimbot to try and secure his position.

What does it say on your birth certificate?

The options on mine are,
sex : Male or Female.

Another late entry.

What's that got to do with your sexuality?

[Raggs]

Lets be honest, even Male/Female is limited enough.

What about hermaphrodites? XXY chromosomes? XYY? XY but with testosterone inhibited in development, so have female genitalia? Or XX with male genitalia? All naturally occurring before we even venture into the realms of gender.

[Openside]

I am watching Portrait Artist of the year and the sitter is Eddie Izzard, they are using the pronoun her to describe the sitter. If you are a cross dresser ( as I believe EI is) do you refer to them as her in a dress and him when not? I kind of thought a cross dresser was a bloke that enjoyed dressing as a woman (basically like 80% of Royal Marines) as opposed to a transsexual who actually identifies as a woman (if biologically male)

Awful programme. Judges are typical, contrary loveees and select winners based on pseudo criteria that only they, as experts, could appreciate.

Would be fine if we just had the artists and no judges.

I really like it as I have the artistic ability of a primary school child (and not one of the good ones) I agree re the judges they seem to waft through any old shite. The whole thing was won by someone who I can only describe as a scribbler, but he certainly ticked a few diversity boxes. Horses for courses I guess...

[Torquemada 1420]

I am watching Portrait Artist of the year and the sitter is Eddie Izzard, they are using the pronoun her to describe the sitter. If you are a cross dresser ( as I believe EI is) do you refer to them as her in a dress and him when not? I kind of thought a cross dresser was a bloke that enjoyed dressing as a woman (basically like 80% of Royal Marines) as opposed to a transsexual who actually identifies as a woman (if biologically male)

Awful programme. Judges are typical, contrary loveees and select winners based on pseudo criteria that only they, as experts, could appreciate.

Would be fine if we just had the artists and no judges.

I really like it as I have the artistic ability of a primary school child (and not one of the good ones) I agree re the judges they seem to waft through any old shite. The whole thing was won by someone who I can only describe as a scribbler, but he certainly ticked a few diversity boxes. Horses for courses I guess...

Yup. Some of the artists are amazing. They are the ones who get booted first up. At least Masterchef doesn't try and wave through contestants who empty a packet of McDonalds onto a plate.

[Gumboot]

Awful programme. Judges are typical, contrary loveees and select winners based on pseudo criteria that only they, as experts, could appreciate.

Would be fine if we just had the artists and no judges.

I really like it as I have the artistic ability of a primary school child (and not one of the good ones) I agree re the judges they seem to waft through any old shite. The whole thing was won by someone who I can only describe as a scribbler, but he certainly ticked a few diversity boxes. Horses for courses I guess...

Yup. Some of the artists are amazing. They are the ones who get booted first up. At least Masterchef doesn't try and wave through contestants who empty a packet of McDonalds onto a plate.

I really enjoy watching the artists develop their portraits. Couldn't care less about the judges' waffle or who they choose. It's the artistic process and variety of approaches on show that interests me.

[Openside]

I really like it as I have the artistic ability of a primary school child (and not one of the good ones) I agree re the judges they seem to waft through any old shite. The whole thing was won by someone who I can only describe as a scribbler, but he certainly ticked a few diversity boxes. Horses for courses I guess...

Yup. Some of the artists are amazing. They are the ones who get booted first up. At least Masterchef doesn't try and wave through contestants who empty a packet of McDonalds onto a plate.

I really enjoy watching the artists develop their portraits. Couldn't care less about the judges' waffle or who they choose. It's the artistic process and variety of approaches on show that interests me.

Totally agree CMOS and I are staggered that some people just slap seemingly random daubs of paint anywhere and it all comes together. Am in awe of the skill on display.

[Bimbowomxn]

Eddie doesn't seem to care if you call him he or she, apparently. I missed his coming out as transgender a few years back.

Nor does Grayson Perry by the looks of him on Have I got news for you last week
He was in full Maggie Thatcher regalia. The wig was particularly accurate

Perry is awesome.... and a they of Essex.

[notfatcat]

I am watching Portrait Artist of the year and the sitter is Eddie Izzard, they are using the pronoun her to describe the sitter. If you are a cross dresser ( as I believe EI is) do you refer to them as her in a dress and him when not? I kind of thought a cross dresser was a bloke that enjoyed dressing as a woman (basically like 80% of Royal Marines) as opposed to a transsexual who actually identifies as a woman (if biologically male)

I think Izzard is happy as a bloke in a dress. If he wanted to be called Edwina or Marjory then it would be polite to refer to him as her when he's wearing a frock.

I know a cross-dresser and used to call him by his female name when he was dressed as a woman and his male name when dressed as a bloke. I think he's given up the frocks in public as he was getting beaten up, which is sickening enough as it is but the bloke's aged around 60 and harmless.

[Openside]

I am watching Portrait Artist of the year and the sitter is Eddie Izzard, they are using the pronoun her to describe the sitter. If you are a cross dresser ( as I believe EI is) do you refer to them as her in a dress and him when not? I kind of thought a cross dresser was a bloke that enjoyed dressing as a woman (basically like 80% of Royal Marines) as opposed to a transsexual who actually identifies as a woman (if biologically male)

I think Izzard is happy as a bloke in a dress. If he wanted to be called Edwina or Marjory then it would be polite to refer to him as her when he's wearing a frock.

I know a cross-dresser and used to call him by his female name when he was dressed as a woman and his male name when dressed as a bloke. I think he's given up the frocks in public as he was getting beaten up, which is sickening enough as it is but the bloke's aged around 60 and harmless.

it’s all so totally unnecessary

[Big Nipper]

Not a genuine question at all. Just another loaded question from an out of touch boomer

[Openside]

Not a genuine question at all. Just another loaded question from an out of touch boomer

Yet more uninformed opinion from a dribbling snowflake moron.

There was nothing loaded about it all all I was genuinely interested so I was informed should the need arise.

[Slick]

Not a genuine question at all. Just another loaded question from an out of touch boomer

Yet more uninformed opinion from a dribbling snowflake moron.

There was nothing loaded about it all all I was genuinely interested so I was informed should the need arise.

Folk have the right to be called what they want but they also have to have the understanding that people will make genuine mistakes and should have the humility not to beat them with that

[Openside]

Not a genuine question at all. Just another loaded question from an out of touch boomer

Yet more uninformed opinion from a dribbling snowflake moron.

There was nothing loaded about it all all I was genuinely interested so I was informed should the need arise.

Folk have the right to be called what they want but they also have to have the understanding that people will make genuine mistakes and should have the humility not to beat them with that

indeed, hence the question I was trying to educate myself as I am sure the time will come for a judgement call

[Cartman]

We enjoy watching PAOTY
Not a fan of this year's winner's work tbh
But the other finalists were weak