Official Tour de France 2021 thread
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Margin__Walker
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Got a huge kick out of his win today. Definitely one of my favourite sportsmen and his career to date has been box office. He was light years away from this last year and was basically finished.
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Insane_Homer
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vintage Cav today 
that was beautiful
that was beautiful
“Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.”
Anyone know what gear ratios the sprinters will have to hand? I ask because Cavendish has, what looks to me, a remarkably low cadence when he's going full chat balls-out at the end of the stage. Do they have a sprinting gear that they only use at the end?
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Dinsdale Piranha
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I would guess 53x11 for a flat sprint. A really big sprinter might has a slightly larger chainring but not by much.Kawazaki wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:37 pm Anyone know what gear ratios the sprinters will have to hand? I ask because Cavendish has, what looks to me, a remarkably low cadence when he's going full chat balls-out at the end of the stage. Do they have a sprinting gear that they only use at the end?
Today's stage had a slight uphill finish which is probably why the cadence looks low. You aren't going to change gears in the last couple of hundred metres.
Dinsdale Piranha wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:55 pmI would guess 53x11 for a flat sprint. A really big sprinter might has a slightly larger chainring but not by much.Kawazaki wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:37 pm Anyone know what gear ratios the sprinters will have to hand? I ask because Cavendish has, what looks to me, a remarkably low cadence when he's going full chat balls-out at the end of the stage. Do they have a sprinting gear that they only use at the end?
Today's stage had a slight uphill finish which is probably why the cadence looks low. You aren't going to change gears in the last couple of hundred metres.
What kind of peak power will Cavendish be pushing out for that last sprint do you reckon, >1000watts perhaps?
Fuck me edit: Google tells me that sprinters can exceed 2000watts and get closer to an average of 1500watts for the sprint phase! And that phase happens after they've already cycled 120+Kms.
Bloody hell.
I watched the ITV highlights last night as I missed the early part of the stage. The lead out for Cav to sweep up the intermediate sprint points looked very easy and very good. He probably wouldn't say it yet but he must be fancying a real go at the green jersey this year which would be remarkable,.
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clydecloggie
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Last time I looked into it, apparently around 1800 Watts would be needed for the final 300m to be competitive in a bunch sprint, with max values above 2000 Watts indeed. And those peak values would also be reached a few times in the last 10k when the fight for the right position is on.Kawazaki wrote: Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:16 amDinsdale Piranha wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:55 pmI would guess 53x11 for a flat sprint. A really big sprinter might has a slightly larger chainring but not by much.Kawazaki wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:37 pm Anyone know what gear ratios the sprinters will have to hand? I ask because Cavendish has, what looks to me, a remarkably low cadence when he's going full chat balls-out at the end of the stage. Do they have a sprinting gear that they only use at the end?
Today's stage had a slight uphill finish which is probably why the cadence looks low. You aren't going to change gears in the last couple of hundred metres.
What kind of peak power will Cavendish be pushing out for that last sprint do you reckon, >1000watts perhaps?
Fuck me edit: Google tells me that sprinters can exceed 2000watts and get closer to an average of 1500watts for the sprint phase! And that phase happens after they've already cycled 120+Kms.
Bloody hell.
Crazy values.
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Dinsdale Piranha
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That's the important bit. These are endurance athletes who can push 1500 watts after 5 hours cycling every day.clydecloggie wrote: Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:18 amLast time I looked into it, apparently around 1800 Watts would be needed for the final 300m to be competitive in a bunch sprint, with max values above 2000 Watts indeed. And those peak values would also be reached a few times in the last 10k when the fight for the right position is on.Kawazaki wrote: Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:16 amDinsdale Piranha wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:55 pm
I would guess 53x11 for a flat sprint. A really big sprinter might has a slightly larger chainring but not by much.
Today's stage had a slight uphill finish which is probably why the cadence looks low. You aren't going to change gears in the last couple of hundred metres.
What kind of peak power will Cavendish be pushing out for that last sprint do you reckon, >1000watts perhaps?
Fuck me edit: Google tells me that sprinters can exceed 2000watts and get closer to an average of 1500watts for the sprint phase! And that phase happens after they've already cycled 120+Kms.
Bloody hell.
Crazy values.
It's also important how long you can push close to your peak power. Cav is very good at this. He's also very small for a sprinter so doesn't need the same peak power as the larger guys.
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tabascoboy
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Tour de France spectator arrested over sign crash
French police say they have arrested a woman suspected of causing a huge crash during the Tour de France by waving a sign in the riders' path on Saturday.
The peloton was 45km (28 miles) from the end of the first stage, when her sign clipped German rider Tony Martin. He fell to the ground and caused dozens of other riders to follow suit, in what was one of the Tour de France's worst ever crashes.
French authorities say the woman, who is French, is in custody in Landerneau.
Following the incident, Tour de France Deputy Director Pierre-Yves Thouault said the tour would take legal action against the woman.
"We are suing this woman who behaved so badly. We are doing this so that the tiny minority of people who do this do not spoil the show for everyone," he told AFP news agency.
seems fair enoughtabascoboy wrote: Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:07 pmTour de France spectator arrested over sign crash
French police say they have arrested a woman suspected of causing a huge crash during the Tour de France by waving a sign in the riders' path on Saturday.
The peloton was 45km (28 miles) from the end of the first stage, when her sign clipped German rider Tony Martin. He fell to the ground and caused dozens of other riders to follow suit, in what was one of the Tour de France's worst ever crashes.
French authorities say the woman, who is French, is in custody in Landerneau.
Following the incident, Tour de France Deputy Director Pierre-Yves Thouault said the tour would take legal action against the woman.
"We are suing this woman who behaved so badly. We are doing this so that the tiny minority of people who do this do not spoil the show for everyone," he told AFP news agency.
Kawazaki wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:02 am
Everyone has assumed she is German due to the sign she was holding but she could just as easily be French with German grandparents.
Marylandolorian wrote: Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:15 pm I thought she was German, “ opi- omi” means grandpa-grandma.in german.
Yes but Allez is go in FrenchMarylandolorian wrote: Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:15 pm I thought she was German, “ opi- omi” means grandpa-grandma.in german.
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Margin__Walker
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He's box office. Felt like he was rolling back the years. In those final few K you couldn't see anyone else taking it.
This felt like 2011 Cav, was never in doubt.Margin__Walker wrote: Thu Jul 01, 2021 3:28 pm He's box office. Felt like he was rolling back the years. In those final few K you couldn't see anyone else taking it.
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Dinsdale Piranha
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Quit to prepare for the Olympics.
I always get caught out by the rest days.Another day for the sprinters - is it possible Cav could catch Merckx on this tour? There's today, another 3 flat stages then the final sprint on the Champs-Elysees.
Aside from that, given the GC is over so long as Pogacar manages to stay upright, We might see some brilliant racing as teams pursue stage wins instead of the overall win.
Aside from that, given the GC is over so long as Pogacar manages to stay upright, We might see some brilliant racing as teams pursue stage wins instead of the overall win.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
DQS put on a clinic. If you get this current version of Cav to 100m from the line in the lead he won't lose.Biffer wrote: Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:36 pm Cav does it again! Perfect job by the team, beautiful lead out, always in control.
1 short of Eddy Merckx, four or five shots at it in the next fortnight.
Wins another stage then beats the record in Paris.
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Dinsdale Piranha
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Merckx won most sorts of stages during his tdf career but many of his stage wins were time trials - they used to have several. For example, 1969 he had 6 stage wins, 3 time trials and 3 mountain stages.Slick wrote: Tue Jul 06, 2021 7:19 pm Just out of interest, was Merck a sprinter as well or did he win other stages?
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S/Lt_Phillips
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Today's ITV4 commentary team has been joined by Alexei Sayle, which is adding a slightly surreal element to the whole spectacle. Sadly I have meetings, or I'd happily listen in all afternoon. Most entertaining!
Left hand down a bit
Could be an interesting finish again today. Breakaway with Alaphillipe, Bosen Hagen, Greipel and 9 others now 10 minutes ahead of the peloton. Will DQS try to chase them down to give Cav another shot at a stage win? Or will they look at today as a recovery day after yesterday's stage and look to one of the other sprints?
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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S/Lt_Phillips
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It's looking like the breakaway will have it - 11+ mins away with 75km to go. And Cav isn't wearing a skinsuit like the one he wore a couple of days ago, suggesting he's not up for a sprint (hardly surprising after yesterday)Biffer wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 1:42 pm Could be an interesting finish again today. Breakaway with Alaphillipe, Bosen Hagen, Greipel and 9 others now 10 minutes ahead of the peloton. Will DQS try to chase them down to give Cav another shot at a stage win? Or will they look at today as a recovery day after yesterday's stage and look to one of the other sprints?
Left hand down a bit
Hadn't noticed that. Atm there are two teams well organised at the front of the peloton (UAE and Ineos) who don't have riders in the breakaway group but it doesn't look like they're even trying to maintain the gap, let alone pursue.S/Lt_Phillips wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 1:47 pmIt's looking like the breakaway will have it - 11+ mins away with 75km to go. And Cav isn't wearing a skinsuit like the one he wore a couple of days ago, suggesting he's not up for a sprint (hardly surprising after yesterday)Biffer wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 1:42 pm Could be an interesting finish again today. Breakaway with Alaphillipe, Bosen Hagen, Greipel and 9 others now 10 minutes ahead of the peloton. Will DQS try to chase them down to give Cav another shot at a stage win? Or will they look at today as a recovery day after yesterday's stage and look to one of the other sprints?
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?