Thankfully seems to have gone off without a hitch.tc27 wrote: Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:35 pm Pulling the last troops out is going to be a delicate operation - presumably the yanks will have to be last out as they probably are the only ones with enough helicopters to get everyone out with the runway overwhelmed.
The Taliban were controlling the perimeter the entire time. That this didn't turn into bloodbath some minor miracle. The howling of the western media completely disconnected from the reality of the situation. You're talking about an enemy you've droned killed for 20 years FFS. And they let the US walk out. The handwringers and finger pointers need to go to the US negotiator and say... thank you very much for a job well done.tc27 wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:45 pm Yeah fair play I suspect the Taliban had were controlling the perimeter at this point.
It's in the Taliban's interest to let them go without a hitch. I assume they will have agreed the precise time in advance etc.Flockwitt wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 10:14 pmThe Taliban were controlling the perimeter the entire time. That this didn't turn into bloodbath some minor miracle. The howling of the western media completely disconnected from the reality of the situation. You're talking about an enemy you've droned killed for 20 years FFS. And they let the US walk out. The handwringers and finger pointers need to go to the US negotiator and say... thank you very much for a job well done.tc27 wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:45 pm Yeah fair play I suspect the Taliban had were controlling the perimeter at this point.
Yep, it was managed with the Taliban, negotiating with and legitimizing them. That was the way it had to be.Margin__Walker wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 10:20 pmIt's in the Taliban's interest to let them go without a hitch. I assume they will have agreed the precise time in advance etc.Flockwitt wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 10:14 pmThe Taliban were controlling the perimeter the entire time. That this didn't turn into bloodbath some minor miracle. The howling of the western media completely disconnected from the reality of the situation. You're talking about an enemy you've droned killed for 20 years FFS. And they let the US walk out. The handwringers and finger pointers need to go to the US negotiator and say... thank you very much for a job well done.tc27 wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:45 pm Yeah fair play I suspect the Taliban had were controlling the perimeter at this point.
They are on a little bit of a PR campaign to look credible on the world stage and attacking any tail elements of the US forces as they left would only have brought punitive strikes down on themselves. They've already won, so it would serve no purpose for them.
Yup thats my take on it. Sounds like a bit of a nasty piece of work. I guess you have to be a bit of an oddball to do what he was doing though...Sandstorm wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:45 pmIf they had all gone straight to the airport on Monday instead of waiting 2 days while the Egomaniac shouted at the world’s press, the Taliban wouldn’t have had a chance to stop any of them.Openside wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:20 pmHe wasn't - they had visas , Taleban wouldn't let them through.Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:54 pm
It seems unlikely he was responsible for leaving any of his staff behind?
They always were. Fuck stagging on rubbing shoulders with those cunts, would have made things slightly easier the majority of those there wouldn't have done HERRICK.tc27 wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:45 pm Yeah fair play I suspect the Taliban had were controlling the perimeter at this point.
He'd have called them losers for being stuck there, as you know surviving a POW camp doesn't make you a war hero, it makes you a loser for being capturedRinkals wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 10:24 am The phrase "They knew what they'd signed up for" comes to mind.
My understanding was the staff were already granted leave: it was the Taliban who stopped them?fishfoodie wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 11:35 pmHow much time did he spend lobbying the Home Office to get his staff on flights; versus the time he spent getting a few cats & dogs on them ?Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:54 pmIt seems unlikely he was responsible for leaving any of his staff behind?Lobby wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 11:01 am Not only did he leave his Afghan staff behind, and threaten to ‘destroy’ the FO staff given the unenviable task of trying to assist the entitled twat, the likelihood is that most of the animals will have to put down when they arrive here.
Perhaps it would have been a better idea to send his staff to the airport ASAP in a time-pressured situation instead of dicking around with a collection of mangy animals.Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 6:47 amMy understanding was the staff were already granted leave: it was the Taliban who stopped them?fishfoodie wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 11:35 pmHow much time did he spend lobbying the Home Office to get his staff on flights; versus the time he spent getting a few cats & dogs on them ?Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:54 pm
It seems unlikely he was responsible for leaving any of his staff behind?
Fallen with a little help from the Taliban's Pakistani friends who as well as providing supplies provided direct air supportTorquemada 1420 wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 11:02 am Looks like Panjshir has fallen so it is 100% game over now.
Indeed.Calculon wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 9:46 amFallen with a little help from the Taliban's Pakistani friends who as well as providing supplies provided direct air supportTorquemada 1420 wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 11:02 am Looks like Panjshir has fallen so it is 100% game over now.
Yeah; Pakistan now has Nuclear weapons; an Intelligence agency run by people who treat elected Politicians as disposable puppets; & now a neighbouring country where it can continue to train terrorists .... what could possibly go wrong ?Calculon wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 9:46 amFallen with a little help from the Taliban's Pakistani friends who as well as providing supplies provided direct air supportTorquemada 1420 wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 11:02 am Looks like Panjshir has fallen so it is 100% game over now.
Well, they are our allies so they will get a free pass, including when it all blows up (like Saudi Arabia after 9/11).fishfoodie wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:12 pmYeah; Pakistan now has Nuclear weapons; an Intelligence agency run by people who treat elected Politicians as disposable puppets; & now a neighbouring country where it can continue to train terrorists .... what could possibly go wrong ?Calculon wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 9:46 amFallen with a little help from the Taliban's Pakistani friends who as well as providing supplies provided direct air supportTorquemada 1420 wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 11:02 am Looks like Panjshir has fallen so it is 100% game over now.
They might even win a Test series too.fishfoodie wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:12 pmYeah; Pakistan now has Nuclear weapons; an Intelligence agency run by people who treat elected Politicians as disposable puppets; & now a neighbouring country where it can continue to train terrorists .... what could possibly go wrong ?Calculon wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 9:46 amFallen with a little help from the Taliban's Pakistani friends who as well as providing supplies provided direct air supportTorquemada 1420 wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 11:02 am Looks like Panjshir has fallen so it is 100% game over now.
As I mentioned on PR; the Pakistan nuclear program was financed by the Al Sauds; & assisted by cross cooperation with the North Koreans; all with the goal of getting an; "Islamic Bomb".robmatic wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:27 pmWell, they are our allies so they will get a free pass, including when it all blows up (like Saudi Arabia after 9/11).fishfoodie wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:12 pmYeah; Pakistan now has Nuclear weapons; an Intelligence agency run by people who treat elected Politicians as disposable puppets; & now a neighbouring country where it can continue to train terrorists .... what could possibly go wrong ?Calculon wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 9:46 am
Fallen with a little help from the Taliban's Pakistani friends who as well as providing supplies provided direct air support
Sad considering the Russians were never able to take itCalculon wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 9:46 amFallen with a little help from the Taliban's Pakistani friends who as well as providing supplies provided direct air supportTorquemada 1420 wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 11:02 am Looks like Panjshir has fallen so it is 100% game over now.
It might not be all done. Talibs control the only through route but questionable whether they have control over all of the finger valleys that run off that in every direction.mat the expat wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 5:08 amSad considering the Russians were never able to take itCalculon wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 9:46 amFallen with a little help from the Taliban's Pakistani friends who as well as providing supplies provided direct air supportTorquemada 1420 wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 11:02 am Looks like Panjshir has fallen so it is 100% game over now.
I imagine that's right - with Hinds/Floggers and Fencer support, if Russia couldn't manage total control, it's unlikelyTorquemada 1420 wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:12 amIt might not be all done. Talibs control the only through route but questionable whether they have control over all of the finger valleys that run off that in every direction.mat the expat wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 5:08 amSad considering the Russians were never able to take itCalculon wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 9:46 am
Fallen with a little help from the Taliban's Pakistani friends who as well as providing supplies provided direct air support
The Russian occupation turned into a kind of reverse terrorism campaign, against the Afghans. The use of Anti-Personnel mines disguised a childrens toys, & dolls, was about the lowest form of warfare I can imagine.mat the expat wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:40 pmI imagine that's right - with Hinds/Floggers and Fencer support, if Russia couldn't manage total control, it's unlikelyTorquemada 1420 wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:12 amIt might not be all done. Talibs control the only through route but questionable whether they have control over all of the finger valleys that run off that in every direction.mat the expat wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 5:08 am
Sad considering the Russians were never able to take it
It's very good. I've done a lot of reading on the war on terror over the years, and this show summarises the entire thing nicely.Enzedder wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:52 am Turning Point of Netflix is a great series if you have a few hours to spare
Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan...... the gifts that keep giving to the US arms industry.Flockwitt wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:23 am The military industrial complex got their money in the US and financed their bought and sold politicians. All those trillions went somewhere. A forever war, never actually succeeding? Yes please!
*cough* Iron Curtain *cough*Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:09 pmKorea, Vietnam, Cuba, Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan...... the gifts that keep giving to the US arms industry.Flockwitt wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:23 am The military industrial complex got their money in the US and financed their bought and sold politicians. All those trillions went somewhere. A forever war, never actually succeeding? Yes please!
