OomStruisbaai wrote: Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:49 pm
I have no idea why you want to change the loose forwards? I thought all three , Kwagga included brought enough energy. We lost it with Pollard and Faf kicking and the kick chasers. We need to adopt to a more attacking phase play gameplan against the Wallabies and All Blacks.
Because we lost. To Australia. Who were destroyed by the ABs.
Now instead of getting excited about playing the ABs we now have to set oir standards lower and focus on beating Australia
You want more kak Sharks x Sharks players in the Bok team.
Of course. Morne in place of Willemse. Call me a traditional person but if my kickers having a bad day next in line must be able to kick to win the game. And cover 10 to 13.
JLDP instead of Kwagga. Seriously. Kwagga is lightweight and he didn't counter the Aussie forwards. JLDP plays everywhere except front row. Is big and powerful.
Fassi on the bench to cover wing and FB
Chilli wrote: Sun Sep 12, 2021 6:15 pm
Folks, it looked like the Boks had watched the 2 Aussue / All Black tests and decided that the Aussies were shit.
We believed that all we had to do was pitch up, and we would win. There was no passion. There was no aggression.
We need to get Ra$$ie over to Australia to put some fire into their bellies.
Rassie is too busy working on his TikTok game at the moment.
Chilli wrote: Sun Sep 12, 2021 6:15 pm
Folks, it looked like the Boks had watched the 2 Aussue / All Black tests and decided that the Aussies were shit.
We believed that all we had to do was pitch up, and we would win. There was no passion. There was no aggression.
Yup. Witness Pollard kicking EVERY SINGLE restart too deep, straight down Phillip’s throat with zero chance for anyone to contest it.
Nienaber strikes me as a rather dumb, limited coach.
Chilli wrote: Sun Sep 12, 2021 6:15 pm
Folks, it looked like the Boks had watched the 2 Aussue / All Black tests and decided that the Aussies were shit.
We believed that all we had to do was pitch up, and we would win. There was no passion. There was no aggression.
Yup. Witness Pollard kicking EVERY SINGLE restart too deep, straight down Phillip’s throat with zero chance for anyone to contest it.
Nienaber strikes me as a rather dumb, limited coach.
Because we lost. To Australia. Who were destroyed by the ABs.
Now instead of getting excited about playing the ABs we now have to set oir standards lower and focus on beating Australia
You want more kak Sharks x Sharks players in the Bok team.
Of course. Morne in place of Willemse. Call me a traditional person but if my kickers having a bad day next in line must be able to kick to win the game. And cover 10 to 13.
JLDP instead of Kwagga. Seriously. Kwagga is lightweight and he didn't counter the Aussie forwards. JLDP plays everywhere except front row. Is big and powerful.
Fassi on the bench to cover wing and FB
Morne would kick the conversion and the Wallabies would scored the winning try. 7-2 = 5 dom idiot
You want more kak Sharks x Sharks players in the Bok team.
Of course. Morne in place of Willemse. Call me a traditional person but if my kickers having a bad day next in line must be able to kick to win the game. And cover 10 to 13.
JLDP instead of Kwagga. Seriously. Kwagga is lightweight and he didn't counter the Aussie forwards. JLDP plays everywhere except front row. Is big and powerful.
Fassi on the bench to cover wing and FB
Morne would kick the conversion and the Wallabies would scored the winning try. 7-2 = 5 dom idiot
Really....you foresee all of that. You are Siener
I just looked into my crystal ball and saw that if Morne was on the bench Pollard would have been pulled a lot earlier and we would have won the match. I threw the tarrot cards and saw the death card...tonight I will do a seance and give feedback later.
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a 58" half is ridiculous. How many times did that ref go to the TMO when he had the right decision live. Balls up and go for it man, you're good enough.
Well that was embarrassing. Here we were top of the world and our first outing against Australia we bottled it.
I honestly don't think we can play the same game plan against SH opponents as we do against NH opponents.
Problem is that this is the way the squad has been drilled and there is absolutely no way to expect them to change tactics in 1 week. Those instinctual memory responses will take over in the heat of the game.
So expect the same again just better execution. If not we are going to lose every match here on in. I have absolutely no expectations of beating the ABs. By the end of this tournament we will be knocked off our lofty perch on the rankings and hopefully less arrogant.
Chilli wrote: Sun Sep 12, 2021 6:15 pm
Folks, it looked like the Boks had watched the 2 Aussue / All Black tests and decided that the Aussies were shit.
We believed that all we had to do was pitch up, and we would win. There was no passion. There was no aggression.
Yup. Witness Pollard kicking EVERY SINGLE restart too deep, straight down Phillip’s throat with zero chance for anyone to contest it.
Nienaber strikes me as a rather dumb, limited coach.
Doesn't $ards rate him highly?
Nienaber changed it up for the first Argie test and impressed me. Since then he has gone back to Rassie's blueprint and here we are.
Sards wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 4:47 am
Well that was embarrassing. Here we were top of the world and our first outing against Australia we bottled it.
I honestly don't think we can play the same game plan against SH opponents as we do against NH opponents.
Problem is that this is the way the squad has been drilled and there is absolutely no way to expect them to change tactics in 1 week. Those instinctual memory responses will take over in the heat of the game.
So expect the same again just better execution. If not we are going to lose every match here on in. I have absolutely no expectations of beating the ABs. By the end of this tournament we will be knocked off our lofty perch on the rankings and hopefully less arrogant.
The Bok$ lacked aggression and mongrel. The Bok$ were too nice.
They had watched the Aussies being killed by the All Blacks and thought of them as soft...................................the believed their own press that all they had to do was pitch up. Read the pages on this fred from last week.
Blah blah blah. The ozzies outplayed us, end off. They played the ref, playing players past the ruck, trapping players in the ruck, disrupting the scrum and maul illegally, some lineouts they did not even bother to throw in straight. Playing the lock before his feet touched (that one bit them a bit, but they kept doing it, just less obvious) They pushed the boundaries with the ref early on and saw what they could get away with and kept at it. We stood there and kak and complained instead of doing the same.
average joe wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 6:09 am
Blah blah blah. The ozzies outplayed us, end off. They played the ref, playing players past the ruck, trapping players in the ruck, disrupting the scrum and maul illegally, some lineouts they did not even bother to throw in straight. Playing the lock before his feet touched (that one bit them a bit, but they kept doing it, just less obvious) They pushed the boundaries with the ref early on and saw what they could get away with and kept at it. We stood there and kak and complained instead of doing the same.
Plan B is fix plan A and do it better.
So your thoughts are that they won because they cheated.
average joe wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 6:09 am
Blah blah blah. The ozzies outplayed us, end off. They played the ref, playing players past the ruck, trapping players in the ruck, disrupting the scrum and maul illegally, some lineouts they did not even bother to throw in straight. Playing the lock before his feet touched (that one bit them a bit, but they kept doing it, just less obvious) They pushed the boundaries with the ref early on and saw what they could get away with and kept at it. We stood there and kak and complained instead of doing the same.
Plan B is fix plan A and do it better.
So your thoughts are that they won because they cheated.
average joe wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 6:09 am
Blah blah blah. The ozzies outplayed us, end off. They played the ref, playing players past the ruck, trapping players in the ruck, disrupting the scrum and maul illegally, some lineouts they did not even bother to throw in straight. Playing the lock before his feet touched (that one bit them a bit, but they kept doing it, just less obvious) They pushed the boundaries with the ref early on and saw what they could get away with and kept at it. We stood there and kak and complained instead of doing the same.
Plan B is fix plan A and do it better.
So your thoughts are that they won because they cheated.
average joe wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 6:09 am
Blah blah blah. The ozzies outplayed us, end off. They played the ref, playing players past the ruck, trapping players in the ruck, disrupting the scrum and maul illegally, some lineouts they did not even bother to throw in straight. Playing the lock before his feet touched (that one bit them a bit, but they kept doing it, just less obvious) They pushed the boundaries with the ref early on and saw what they could get away with and kept at it. We stood there and kak and complained instead of doing the same.
Plan B is fix plan A and do it better.
So your thoughts are that they won because they cheated.
Unbelievable
No, he said they were smarter than us.
He said they won because they were smarter at cheating the ref. And went on to list types of infringements.
assfly wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 6:55 am
Every match leaves me more confused about Willemse.
He comes on with a lot of energy, makes an incredible try-saving tackle, and then misses a crucial kick.
Well that tackle was 3 on 1. So I’d say he’s up on that just from a pure points perspective. But Pollards miss was genuinely terrible. In general SA kicking didn’t pan out very well.
average joe wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 6:09 am
Blah blah blah. The ozzies outplayed us, end off. They played the ref, playing players past the ruck, trapping players in the ruck, disrupting the scrum and maul illegally, some lineouts they did not even bother to throw in straight. Playing the lock before his feet touched (that one bit them a bit, but they kept doing it, just less obvious) They pushed the boundaries with the ref early on and saw what they could get away with and kept at it. We stood there and kak and complained instead of doing the same.
Plan B is fix plan A and do it better.
Average Joe is Rassie in disguise and i claim my free black armband
Sandstorm wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:29 am
Well the alternative is Morne or Swiel. Low energy, straight kicks.
I think we all know 5Bar will end up at 12
Ymx wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 6:57 am
He said they won because they were smarter at cheating the ref. And went on to list types of infringements.
Is this not what the game has become since Sir Richie McCaw put on his first pair of boots?
I think you Kiwis called it pushing the boundaries back then?
If you keep getting away with it and it wins you games then its a good thing, right?
What a pathetic mindset you have, if you’re chalking the loss up to the Aussies cheating.
Go make a video, loser.
The truth is that the Ozzies were very lucky to win that at the death. Herchelle already had the ball and was running with it when the touch judge called them back for holding on. The Boks outscored the Wallabies 3 tries to 1 but the main difference was Cooper (7,13,32,40,52,62,80) vs Pollard (5,11,45)
Sandstorm wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:29 am
Well the alternative is Morne or Swiel. Low energy, straight kicks.
I think we all know 5Bar will end up at 12
I wonder if Elton might get a run this weekend.
I fucking hope not. People are quick to forget that Elton missed a sitter a few years ago at Bloem to win the game against Oz at the death leaving us with a draw.
sorCrer wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:51 am
I fucking hope not. People are quick to forget that Elton missed a sitter a few years ago at Bloem to win the game against Oz at the death leaving us with a draw.
That performance in the world cup final was the best Bok performance I had seen in over a decade. They played multi-dimensional rugby. Adapted well, played it tight when they needed to and cut loose when the opportunities arose. It was brilliant top notch rugby, that very few teams are capable of. But I haven't seen it since... it could have been a spring-board to a great Springbok team rather than just being remembered for that world cup performance...
I hope it comes back as at the moment SA seem to have regressed to the old pre-Rassie game plan that wins them some matches and loses them almost as many. In that final in 2019 they had a plan A,B and C... now they seem eternally stuck in Plan A. Maybe Rassie needs to come back as fulltime coach?
average joe wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:15 am
Is this not what the game has become since Sir Richie McCaw put on his first pair of boots?
I think you Kiwis called it pushing the boundaries back then?
If you keep getting away with it and it wins you games then its a good thing, right?
What a pathetic mindset you have, if you’re chalking the loss up to the Aussies cheating.
Go make a video, loser.
The truth is that the Ozzies were very lucky to win that at the death. Herchelle already had the ball and was running with it when the touch judge called them back for holding on. The Boks outscored the Wallabies 3 tries to 1 but the main difference was Cooper (7,13,32,40,52,62,80) vs Pollard (5,11,45)
Grandpa wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:57 am
That performance in the world cup final was the best Bok performance I had seen in over a decade. They played multi-dimensional rugby. Adapted well, played it tight when they needed to and cut loose when the opportunities arose. It was brilliant top notch rugby, that very few teams are capable of. But I haven't seen it since... it could have been a spring-board to a great Springbok team rather than just being remembered for that world cup performance...
I hope it comes back as at the moment SA seem to have regressed to the old pre-Rassie game plan that wins them some matches and loses them almost as many. In that final in 2019 they had a plan A,B and C... now they seem eternally stuck in Plan A. Maybe Rassie needs to come back as fulltime coach?
We were a bit rusted on sunday, havent played for a month. It will come back next week.
Jordie Barrett: Has likely put one hand on that No 15 jersey for the big tests ahead against the Springboks. Showed terrific athleticism to almost score from brother Beauden’s high kick, and was so strong with his work at the back, carrying the ball into contact with serious purpose. Significantly, also took over goalkicking duties when Beauden missed an easy shot. His most convincing game as an All Black, after a disruptive week. 8
Sevu Reece: Well suited to opponents who tackle hard, and low. His jinking runs and power were critical to getting the All Blacks over the gainline, and he was rewarded with a try that showed how tough and determined he can be with the ball in hand. 7.5
Rieko Ioane: A late replacement for Anton Lienert-Brown (hamstring), the fastest man in the All Blacks ran for more metres than anyone else. He’s now a genuine option in the midfield, showing a greater willingness to put his head down and fight his way over the advantage line. However, it’s his speed out wide that is his big weapon, and he played a big role in creating the superb first Luke Jacobson try. 8
David Havili: In his first year as a test midfielder, he has become an essential part of the All Blacks side. Makes few errors, and his winding runs show he is brimming with confidence. Brought off after 49 minutes to be preserved for the bigger tests ahead – that's how important he is – and has really arrived as a test player. 8
George Bridge: Ran hard, and fast, and it didn’t seem to matter who was in his way. A very strong outing from the left wing to emphasise the All Blacks' depth in the back three. Almost scored an unlikely try by reversing over the line, but advanced his claims by the sheer quality of his carries. Perhaps tired a little towards the end of a busy test. 7.5
Beauden Barrett: What a pass to set up Luke Jacobson's first try. He also attacked the line, and played flat, and set up the first try with an offload that bobbled favourably for Rieko Ioane. Seemed to get a tactical message towards the end of the first half and thereafter mixed up his game with some kicks in behind the tough Argentine defence. Goalkicking still an issue, but this was a mature and occasionally thrilling performance against a hard opponent. Off after 49 minutes to ice his calf. 8.5
TJ Perenara: Will never be Aaron Smith, and thankfully he didn’t try to be. Instead, he was a good version of TJ Perenara, winning one signature penalty with his power over the ball. Possibly could have had a dart or two around the ruck, but he still asked questions with his passing and used his left foot well to find space in behind. Should be very happy with outing – he denied Luke Jacobson a possible try by knocking on a pass from David Havili – but his quick-tap penalties helped to exhaust the Pumas. 8
Luke Jacobson: Argentina guarantee an examination for the opposition backrowers and Jacobson got exactly that. No 2 Juan Montoya caused some real headaches at the ruck, although the All Blacks will question the legality of some of Los Pumas’ work. However, like most of his team-mates, he grew into the game as the test progressed, and he ran a great support line off Beauden Barrett to pick up a try. 7.5
Dalton Papalii: Finished the first half superbly with a ruck penalty and then a try, and was typically strong throughout. It’s a credit to Papalii that the All Blacks have not really missed Sam Cane much this year. 7.5
Akira Ioane: Arguably, the pick of the All Blacks’ loosies again with his strong carries and the accuracy of his overall play. Was simply not interested in getting involved with any off-the-ball stuff with Los Pumas, and let his rugby do the talking. Another positive 65 minutes. 7.5
Scott Barrett: Was good last week against the Wallabies in Perth, but was even better against Argentina on the Gold Coast. Combined a massive workrate with some real physicality, as well as soft hands close to the line. An excellent 58-minute performance that has even more significance given Sam Whitelock’s absence for the entire Rugby Championship. 9
Brodie Retallick: Won two important penalties at the ruck, where his technique was quite outstanding. Carried hard as usual and combined well with Barrett with those trademark All Blacks short passes between their tight forwards. The big lock is back to his best. 9
Nepo Laulala: Hit Pablo Matera in the first few seconds with one of the biggest tackles of the year, and was an effective carrier as the All Blacks tried to play at tempo. He has undoubtedly developed his all-round game this year, but he gave away three penalties to blot his copybook. 7
Asafo Aumua: Knocked the ball on with his first carry, suffered from some lineout issues and misread a planned lineout move. Those rougher edges on his test debut let the Pumas off the hook early on when the All Blacks were on top. However, his impact with ball in hand was outstanding, and he straightened the attack better than anyone in his 43 minutes. 7
Karl Tu’inukuafe: Some good carries by the big man, who suffered a nasty- head cut in the opening exchanges but returned shortly afterwards. However, Moody’s strong return and George Bower's form may means he struggles to make the 23 against the Springboks. 6.5
Reserves
Samisoni Taukei’aho: Showed his power at the ruck as soon as he came on, and was in the middle of a powerful second-half set-piece. 7
Joe Moody: Returning prop saw 38 minutes with the All Blacks well in control, and immediately went to work on the Pumas’ scrum. A highly impressive comeback game that shows the All Blacks have more in the locker. 7.5
Tyrel Lomax: Scrummaged well during his half hour on the field, as the relentless All Blacks shut down the game. 6.5
Tupou Vaa’i: Athletic lock was busy in his 24 minutes as the bench kept up the pressure. 6
Ethan Blackadder: On for the last 15 minutes and almost picked up a try, but hard to judge with the contest over. N\A
Brad Weber: Bright 20 minutes after Perenara had softened them up. 6
Damian McKenzie: Given the chance to run the cutter for half an hour, but wasn’t as effective as Barrett. 6
Quinn Tupaea: Saw half an hour of action, and showcased that he is a serious power athlete to be reckoned with in years to come. A great alternative to Havili because he offers a different sort of threat. 7.5
