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[shaggy]

Its still possible that Masi will be sacked or demoted following the review.

If that did happen - wouldn't it then bring the final result into question again?

In order for the result to be justified - the FIA would have to confirm that Masi's decision was correct and without fault. Or am I just looking at this too black and white?

There was a rumour that Toto would use his personal wealth to ensure Masi has no involvement in F1 ever again so the courts might be called upon to intervene further.

[sturginho]

Its still possible that Masi will be sacked or demoted following the review.

If that did happen - wouldn't it then bring the final result into question again?

In order for the result to be justified - the FIA would have to confirm that Masi's decision was correct and without fault. Or am I just looking at this too black and white?

well they don't need to now since Merc have withdrawn their appeal.

One thing which probably didn't help the situation was Masi having all the team bosses in his ear whilst he was trying to decide what to do next

[Lobby]

Its still possible that Masi will be sacked or demoted following the review.

If that did happen - wouldn't it then bring the final result into question again?

In order for the result to be justified - the FIA would have to confirm that Masi's decision was correct and without fault. Or am I just looking at this too black and white?

Merc's withdrawal of their appeal has in part been prompted by the FIA's agreement to hold an investigation and clarify how these issues will be dealt with in the future, and there have been considerable discussions behind the scenes.

In effect, the FIA has already acknowledged that they made mistakes, but as Merc has withdrawn their appeal, there is no longer a risk to the FIA of having to overturn the result of the race.

[Kawazaki]

The FIA have admitted that the reputation of F1 has been 'tarnished' by the conclusion of the Abu Dhabi race, and have agreed to conduct a "detailed analysis and clarification exercise" into the running of Sunday's race, with all the teams and drivers, "to draw any lessons from the situation". They are also promising that "clarity [would] be provided to the participants, media, and fans about the current regulations to preserve the competitive nature of our sport while ensuring the safety of the drivers and officials".

Its still possible that Masi will be sacked or demoted following the review.

That's a classic political tactic by FIA. Say there's going to be a review, appoint a patsy to conduct own review, give very limited scope of what to review, make sure review take ages to conduct, advise media you can't comment until the findings of the review are published, don't publish findings, instead release a "lessons to be learned" PR statement based on "honest" review findings preferably on a day when there's a huge natural disaster/terrorist attack/war etc dominating the news.

Nothing will change. Zero.

[Dinsdale Piranha]

The FIA have admitted that the reputation of F1 has been 'tarnished' by the conclusion of the Abu Dhabi race, and have agreed to conduct a "detailed analysis and clarification exercise" into the running of Sunday's race, with all the teams and drivers, "to draw any lessons from the situation". They are also promising that "clarity [would] be provided to the participants, media, and fans about the current regulations to preserve the competitive nature of our sport while ensuring the safety of the drivers and officials".

Its still possible that Masi will be sacked or demoted following the review.

That's a classic political tactic by FIA. Say there's going to be a review, appoint a patsy to conduct own review, give very limited scope of what to review, make sure review take ages to conduct, advise media you can't comment until the findings of the review are published, don't publish findings, instead release a "lessons to be learned" PR statement based on "honest" review findings preferably on a day when there's a huge natural disaster/terrorist attack/war etc dominating the news.

Nothing will change. Zero.

I reckon the most they will do is throw Masi under the bus and leave it at that.

Actually that's the wrong expression as it implies Masi is being sacrificed unjustly. It's been clear he's a total liability for a couple of years.

[PCPhil]

The hysteria reminds me of the RWC QF performance in 2007 - (cough)Wayne Barnes(cough)

Let it go. Take deep breaths, lie back on the couch and when you breathe in and out say inside, “peace……..within…..”.

[Ymx]

Lewis Hamilton warned of potential sanctions by new FIA president after snubbing prize-giving gala
Hamilton opted to skip the awards ceremony over frustration with FIA after last weekend's controversial finish to the 2021 F1 season

Lewis Hamilton has been warned by newly-elected FIA president Mohammed Ben Sulayem that “rules and rules” and he may well face sanctions for choosing to snub Thursday night’s FIA Prize Giving gala.

As one of the top three finishers in the F1 championship just finished, the Mercedes driver was required to attend the event in Paris according to Article 6.6 of the FIA rules.

[Sandstorm]

Lewis Hamilton warned of potential sanctions by new FIA president after snubbing prize-giving gala
Hamilton opted to skip the awards ceremony over frustration with FIA after last weekend's controversial finish to the 2021 F1 season

Lewis Hamilton has been warned by newly-elected FIA president Mohammed Ben Sulayem that “rules and rules” and he may well face sanctions for choosing to snub Thursday night’s FIA Prize Giving gala.

As one of the top three finishers in the F1 championship just finished, the Mercedes driver was required to attend the event in Paris according to Article 6.6 of the FIA rules.

Lewis just following the rules about Brits not being allowed to visit France.

[JM2K6]

Wouldn't surprise me to see the FIA instantly shoot themselves in the foot like that.

[Enzedder]

The hysteria reminds me of the RWC QF performance in 2007 - (cough)Wayne Barnes(cough)

Let it go. Take deep breaths, lie back on the couch and when you breathe in and out say inside, “peace……..within…..”.

Did that help you?

(Max did nothing wrong)

[fishfoodie]

Lewis Hamilton warned of potential sanctions by new FIA president after snubbing prize-giving gala
Hamilton opted to skip the awards ceremony over frustration with FIA after last weekend's controversial finish to the 2021 F1 season

Lewis Hamilton has been warned by newly-elected FIA president Mohammed Ben Sulayem that “rules and rules” and he may well face sanctions for choosing to snub Thursday night’s FIA Prize Giving gala.

As one of the top three finishers in the F1 championship just finished, the Mercedes driver was required to attend the event in Paris according to Article 6.6 of the FIA rules.

Lewis just following the rules about Brits not being allowed to visit France.

Like most of F1; he's tax resident in Monaco; so I don't think anyone will fall for that ...

[Sandstorm]

Lewis just following the rules about Brits not being allowed to visit France.

Like most of F1; he's tax resident in Monaco; so I don't think anyone will fall for that ...

I will plant you into the non-existent gravel trap, you snivelling grass!!

[Torquemada 1420]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/60082961



Because F1 is soooo eco friendly.

[ScarfaceClaw]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/60082961

:lol:

Because F1 is soooo eco friendly.

However, it is likely groups such as the RAF's Red Arrows will be permitted as they are less obviously linked to the military.

Remind me again what RAF stands for?

[fishfoodie]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/60082961



Because F1 is soooo eco friendly.

However, it is likely groups such as the RAF's Red Arrows will be permitted as they are less obviously linked to the military.

Remind me again what RAF stands for?

Red Army Faction

[sturginho]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/60082961



Because F1 is soooo eco friendly.

However, it is likely groups such as the RAF's Red Arrows will be permitted as they are less obviously linked to the military.

Remind me again what RAF stands for?

Already having to come up with exemptions to another poorly thought out rule

[Torquemada 1420]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/60082961



Because F1 is soooo eco friendly.

However, it is likely groups such as the RAF's Red Arrows will be permitted as they are less obviously linked to the military.

Remind me again what RAF stands for?

EPCR should be pleased. FIA making a play to recover No1 slot in the clown sporting bodies table.

[Un Pilier]

Interesting noises emerging from the FIA about the Race Director’s role and future arrangements. Looks like Masi is on his way as expected.

[Kawazaki]

If the FIA keep Masi it would show utter contempt to the teams, especially Mercedes and Hamilton.

It's difficult to think of a bigger fuck up by any sports official in the entire history of sport, although I daresay the Kiwis will still insist Wayne Barnes in 2007 was worse.

[Mr Bungle]

Barnes exhibited shit decision making throughout the entire match. Masi’s brain fart was more in line with Poite’s Lions ‘we have a deal’ which also flew in the face of the law book of the game. But in either example, F1 is by far the biggest show in town.

[Kawazaki]

Barnes exhibited shit decision making throughout the entire match.

QED

[Guy Smiley]

Get over yourself Toga...

throw Barnes' performance out there and then suggest a response proves your point is just lazy shitflinging.

Likewise, Masi's screw up is hardly the biggest mistake ever, it's just another classic blunderfuck from an official, and from the sport that has delivered some classics.

[Kawazaki]

Get over yourself Toga...

throw Barnes' performance out there and then suggest a response proves your point is just lazy shitflinging.

Likewise, Masi's screw up is hardly the biggest mistake ever, it's just another classic blunderfuck from an official, and from the sport that has delivered some classics.

Masi's fuck up was reinventing the rules for the last lap of the last race to gift the championship to the guy who was 10 seconds behind.

There's nothing in sport to top that.

[Guy Smiley]

[Kawazaki]

A quarter-final.

[Guy Smiley]

My point is that the size of the event doesn't counter the size of the mistake.

For the record, I'm appalled by Masi's action. Appalled... isn't an adequate term. He isn't the first official to make a glaring error though, and he won't be the last.

I've got right back into F1 over the last few seasons but that doesn't blind me to the rolling fiasco manner with which the sport is run.

[Kawazaki]

My point is that the size of the event doesn't counter the size of the mistake.

For the record, I'm appalled by Masi's action. Appalled... isn't an adequate term. He isn't the first official to make a glaring error though, and he won't be the last.

I've got right back into F1 over the last few seasons but that doesn't blind me to the rolling fiasco manner with which the sport is run.

Well that's just wrong. If Masi had done what he did in the first race of the season then it would not have been the same size mistake.

[Guy Smiley]

My point is that the size of the event doesn't counter the size of the mistake.

For the record, I'm appalled by Masi's action. Appalled... isn't an adequate term. He isn't the first official to make a glaring error though, and he won't be the last.

I've got right back into F1 over the last few seasons but that doesn't blind me to the rolling fiasco manner with which the sport is run.

Well that's just wrong. If Masi had done what he did in the first race of the season then it would not have been the same size mistake.

The mistake is the same.

The consequences are different.

[JM2K6]

Why are we calling it a mistake? It was a deliberate action. Referees make mistakes. Masi deliberately decided to break the rules and confect a winning position for Verstappen against all the laws and sporting justice, all in service of his need to create an "exciting" last lap, a media friendly narrative, and a new champion.

[Kawazaki]

Why are we calling it a mistake? It was a deliberate action. Referees make mistakes. Masi deliberately decided to break the rules and confect a winning position for Verstappen against all the laws and sporting justice, all in service of his need to create an "exciting" last lap, a media friendly narrative, and a new champion.

I'm still giving Masi the benefit of the doubt that he's just an idiot and not corrupt.

[JM2K6]

Oh, I think it can be deliberate and not corruption. He wasn't being paid to do that. He just thinks he's bigger than the sport, and that his desire for an entertaining finish overruled the concept of fair competition.

[Guy Smiley]

Oh, I think it can be deliberate and not corruption. He wasn't being paid to do that. He just thinks he's bigger than the sport, and that his desire for an entertaining finish overruled the concept of fair competition.

We ca 't know what was going through his head of course...

but I imagine the need for Liberty Media to have some kind of fairy tale result might be some sort of factor.

Mistake? Massive fuck up? Hamfisted fuckuppery?

[JM2K6]

Oh, I think it can be deliberate and not corruption. He wasn't being paid to do that. He just thinks he's bigger than the sport, and that his desire for an entertaining finish overruled the concept of fair competition.

We ca 't know what was going through his head of course...

but I imagine the need for Liberty Media to have some kind of fairy tale result might be some sort of factor.

Mistake? Massive fuck up? Hamfisted fuckuppery?

He did it deliberately and bragged about his reasons to Mercedes.

His real reasons for doing it deliberately might be hard to know for sure, but there's no question he did it on purpose to invent the situation where there'd be "a race". Calling it a mistake is giving him the benefit of a doubt that doesn't exist.

[Mr Bungle]

“Toto, its called a motor race. We went car racing.”

[Guy Smiley]

Yeah ok…

He’s an idiot

[Grandpa]

Would F1 risk Hamilton quitting if Masi stays? He's gone ...

[Dinsdale Piranha]

Yeah ok…

He’s an idiot

God yes.

If you've listened to him on the radios trough the last season or two it's clear he's fucking thick.

[Kawazaki]

Oh, I think it can be deliberate and not corruption. He wasn't being paid to do that. He just thinks he's bigger than the sport, and that his desire for an entertaining finish overruled the concept of fair competition.

We ca 't know what was going through his head of course...

but I imagine the need for Liberty Media to have some kind of fairy tale result might be some sort of factor.

Mistake? Massive fuck up? Hamfisted fuckuppery?

He did it deliberately and bragged about his reasons to Mercedes.

His real reasons for doing it deliberately might be hard to know for sure, but there's no question he did it on purpose to invent the situation where there'd be "a race". Calling it a mistake is giving him the benefit of a doubt that doesn't exist.

There was a 4-minute interval between him saying that no lapped cars should pass to saying only the 5 lapped cars between Hamilton and Verstappen should pass. The FIA will bury it of course, but whatever happened in those 4 minutes is where the answer lies.

[Un Pilier]

Lest we forget, there were two instances of rule trashing around the safety car. It wasn’t just a brain fart in my opinion - his patronising dismissal of Toto’s objections was outrageous.

[Kawazaki]

Some of the missing dialogue from the safety car period in Abu Dhabi has come out. Makes Masi look more crooked than stupid. He sounds complicit in a Red Bull heist. Damning.