So, coronavirus...

[Slick]

Don't leave us hanging

[I like neeps]

Booster jab today, Moderna, but with a pamphlet saying I'll need a second jab in 28 days?
Anyone else had that?..

How are you feeling? I had a Moderna booster yesterday and I'm totally wiped out. Feeling absolutely brutal.

[Slick]

Booster jab today, Moderna, but with a pamphlet saying I'll need a second jab in 28 days?
Anyone else had that?..

How are you feeling? I had a Moderna booster yesterday and I'm totally wiped out. Feeling absolutely brutal.

That's how I was after Moderna, wife much the same but with less moaning. All gone within about 18 hours though.

[Margin__Walker]

I had a Moderna booster on Sunday. Fresh as a daisy on Monday.

Given the way everyone else is going on about it, I'm wondering if she even got any in me.

[Biffer]

I had a Moderna booster on Sunday. Fresh as a daisy on Monday.

Given the way everyone else is going on about it, I'm wondering if she even got any in me.

I was the same - expecting to be hit by a bus by it, bit of a sore arm for a day and nothing else.

[Margin__Walker]

I had a Moderna booster on Sunday. Fresh as a daisy on Monday.

Given the way everyone else is going on about it, I'm wondering if she even got any in me.

I was the same - expecting to be hit by a bus by it, bit of a sore arm for a day and nothing else.

Yeah, had a sore arm too, which is at least reassuring.

[JM2K6]

A study done on the SA data:



Worth a look - not great news, not terrible news, more data will help clarify the picture further.



Also some murmerings about a strain in Germany that's very concerning but a) I don't know the science well enough to understand the paper on it, b) it's irresponsible to boost with links to discussion when it's such early days, and c) fuck it we've had bad news all year and it's Christmas Eve Eve, let me not think about this for a while

[S/Lt_Phillips]

I had a Moderna booster on Sunday. Fresh as a daisy on Monday.

Given the way everyone else is going on about it, I'm wondering if she even got any in me.

I was the same - expecting to be hit by a bus by it, bit of a sore arm for a day and nothing else.

Yeah, had a sore arm too, which is at least reassuring.

Pfizer booster for me, on Monday. Totally floored me for 24 hours. Fever (but no sweating, weirdly), and uncontrollable shivering all night. Pounding head. Worse than the original vaccine (A-Z).

To TB'ss original question, the pamphlet I got also said something about a second shot, 3 weeks later. I raised it with the NHS folk there who said it was just the original pamphlet that was given out with the first vaccinations, so was out of date. I didn't want to make a thing of it (as I'm sure many many people had already pointed it out to them), but I did think they ought to update the info.

[TB63]

Booster jab today, Moderna, but with a pamphlet saying I'll need a second jab in 28 days?
Anyone else had that?..

How are you feeling? I had a Moderna booster yesterday and I'm totally wiped out. Feeling absolutely brutal.

Absolutely fine, bit of a sore arm if I knock it, but been laying flooring yesterday after the jab, and all day today no probs...
Side effect has fucked my knees though.....

[SaintK]

New daily record of cases. Yet whilst the rest of Europe and the devolved UK countries bring in additionsal measures to battle Omicron, we in England are waiting for Steve Baker and his loony mates to tell the blonde slug just exactly what they will let him do!!!

The number of new Covid cases recorded on the government’s dashboard has passed 100,000 for the first time in this pandemic, today’s figures show. The new daily total is 106,122.

[sefton]

New daily record of cases. Yet whilst the rest of Europe and the devolved UK countries bring in additionsal measures to battle Omicron, we in England are waiting for Steve Baker and his loony mates to tell the blonde slug just exactly what they will let him do!!!

The number of new Covid cases recorded on the government’s dashboard has passed 100,000 for the first time in this pandemic, today’s figures show. The new daily total is 106,122.

It’ll be another few days before we know whether these increases in positive cases are going to cause an increase in hospitalisations.

[SaintK]

New daily record of cases. Yet whilst the rest of Europe and the devolved UK countries bring in additionsal measures to battle Omicron, we in England are waiting for Steve Baker and his loony mates to tell the blonde slug just exactly what they will let him do!!!

The number of new Covid cases recorded on the government’s dashboard has passed 100,000 for the first time in this pandemic, today’s figures show. The new daily total is 106,122.

It’ll be another few days before we know whether these increases in positive cases are going to cause an increase in hospitalisations.

Worrying, well to me anyway

According to today’s dashboard, the most recent daily figure (for Monday) is now 301. The previous Monday the figure was 169. The daily Covid hospital admission figure for London has not been this high since early February.

[sefton]

New daily record of cases. Yet whilst the rest of Europe and the devolved UK countries bring in additionsal measures to battle Omicron, we in England are waiting for Steve Baker and his loony mates to tell the blonde slug just exactly what they will let him do!!!

It’ll be another few days before we know whether these increases in positive cases are going to cause an increase in hospitalisations.

Worrying, well to me anyway

According to today’s dashboard, the most recent daily figure (for Monday) is now 301. The previous Monday the figure was 169. The daily Covid hospital admission figure for London has not been this high since early February.

There’s an asterisk with the London figures due to the low take up of vaccination.

[Ovals]

Hospitalisations jump up 232 and deaths are up to 172, probably a bit of catching up with the numbers but not pretty?

It’s a Tuesday. Tuesdays nearly always have the highest reported figure each week.

To put the number into context, reported deaths are up 0.9% week-on-week and the last time 172 deaths were actually registered in a single day was 1st November. No day in the last month has got above 150 and the average is currently 115. Hospitalisations are up 2.2% but it’s been reported the majority of patients in hospital in London with Omicron were admitted for other reasons, so it may be fair to assume the same elsewhere.

Too early to be sure, but it’s beginning to look like cases may have peaked last Wednesday (the numbers announced each day are reports, not the day tests were taken).

I think you might have been a bit too optimistic

[Ymx]

New daily record of cases. Yet whilst the rest of Europe and the devolved UK countries bring in additionsal measures to battle Omicron, we in England are waiting for Steve Baker and his loony mates to tell the blonde slug just exactly what they will let him do!!!

It’ll be another few days before we know whether these increases in positive cases are going to cause an increase in hospitalisations.

Worrying, well to me anyway

According to today’s dashboard, the most recent daily figure (for Monday) is now 301. The previous Monday the figure was 169. The daily Covid hospital admission figure for London has not been this high since early February.

That’s a little selective, as it was 900 in January

[tc27]

New daily record of cases. Yet whilst the rest of Europe and the devolved UK countries bring in additionsal measures to battle Omicron, we in England are waiting for Steve Baker and his loony mates to tell the blonde slug just exactly what they will let him do!!!

The number of new Covid cases recorded on the government’s dashboard has passed 100,000 for the first time in this pandemic, today’s figures show. The new daily total is 106,122.

The context is the case situation is worse in most of Europe (hard to be sure as they do far less testing) as are the booster vaccination numbers.

My understanding is the devolved admins have announced firm plans to bring in more restrictions whereas in England its still dependent on how the data develops - I am going to stick my neck out here and say this is probably the right approach.

[SaintK]

New daily record of cases. Yet whilst the rest of Europe and the devolved UK countries bring in additionsal measures to battle Omicron, we in England are waiting for Steve Baker and his loony mates to tell the blonde slug just exactly what they will let him do!!!

The number of new Covid cases recorded on the government’s dashboard has passed 100,000 for the first time in this pandemic, today’s figures show. The new daily total is 106,122.

The context is the case situation is worse in most of Europe (hard to be sure as they do far less testing) as are the booster vaccination numbers.

My understanding is the devolved admins have announced firm plans to bring in more restrictions whereas in England its still dependent on how the data develops - I am going to stick my neck out here and say this is probably the right approach.

I do hope so
I just don’t trust this government an inch

[petej]

New daily record of cases. Yet whilst the rest of Europe and the devolved UK countries bring in additionsal measures to battle Omicron, we in England are waiting for Steve Baker and his loony mates to tell the blonde slug just exactly what they will let him do!!!

The number of new Covid cases recorded on the government’s dashboard has passed 100,000 for the first time in this pandemic, today’s figures show. The new daily total is 106,122.

The context is the case situation is worse in most of Europe (hard to be sure as they do far less testing) as are the booster vaccination numbers.

My understanding is the devolved admins have announced firm plans to bring in more restrictions whereas in England its still dependent on how the data develops - I am going to stick my neck out here and say this is probably the right approach.

The devolved admins can easily cancel those plans but at least people are ready for them. There is an advantage for certain areas (eg education) to giving them an early heads up. The very late school announcements in england last January certainly pissed off alot of people I know.

[Sandstorm]

I do hope so
I just don’t trust this government an inch

I don’t trust them to do the right thing either.

But I think it’s down to blinding incompetence rather than actual devious planning.

[Wrinkles]

Hospitalisations jump up 232 and deaths are up to 172, probably a bit of catching up with the numbers but not pretty?

It’s a Tuesday. Tuesdays nearly always have the highest reported figure each week.

To put the number into context, reported deaths are up 0.9% week-on-week and the last time 172 deaths were actually registered in a single day was 1st November. No day in the last month has got above 150 and the average is currently 115. Hospitalisations are up 2.2% but it’s been reported the majority of patients in hospital in London with Omicron were admitted for other reasons, so it may be fair to assume the same elsewhere.

Too early to be sure, but it’s beginning to look like cases may have peaked last Wednesday (the numbers announced each day are reports, not the day tests were taken).

I think you might have been a bit too optimistic

Possibly, but 106,122 is the number reported today, not the number who tested positive today. 15th December is still the highest by sample date (103,281), followed by the 16th (96,254), then the 14th (94,963). Other days over 80,000 are the 29th December last year, plus 13th, 17th & 20th December this year. 20th December looks possible for a new record as reports tend to lag by a day or two. It’s currently showing 81,760, exactly the same as the previous Monday.

[salanya]

Omicron may be less severe, but we now have triple the cases, so impact will likely be similar.
And every day there are over 100k fewer people who can work - even the 3 days fewer isolation for those recovered isn't going to compensate for the additional people off ill or isolating with Covid compared to the lower infection rate.

I'm not advocating a full lockdown, and hopefully the boosters will prevent high hospitalisations/deaths.
But I share the total distrust in the government's management of the situation - Boris was much more interested in listening to a few of his angry backbenchers, rather than the scientists who were all asking to send stronger messages.
It feels that if we had stronger messages and/or restrictions and earlier, the number of infections wouldn't be quite so outrageous. And I fully accept how infectious Omicron is, but even 70k cases rather than 100K+ cases would make a big difference for society.

[Margin__Walker]

At all previous crossroads I've been fairly clear in my head that a lockdown was required before the Government caved to it. March 2020, Autumn 2020 and December 2020.

The picture is far less straight forward now though for me. Clearly hospitalisations will increase over the next few weeks, but the extent of that still seems to be in question. Essentially the game has changed with the increased level of immunity resulting from the vaccine that does seem to be very successful in guarding against the worst outcomes. I'm not saying that further restrictions may not be necessary, but it does seem that the impact of full lockdowns is reduced, where as the economic cost remains the same.

By many accounts ICU's are full of unvaccinated people (almost all through their choice). Whilst that won't always be the case, I'd be reticent to swallow another round of restrictions of the type we've seen in the past unless hospitals were being completely overwhelmed. And given the people I would mix with on a regular basis are non vulnerable and triple jabbed, I'd be inclined to ignore any restrictions on things like household mixing.

[dpedin]

At all previous crossroads I've been fairly clear in my head that a lockdown was required before the Government caved to it. March 2020, Autumn 2020 and December 2020.

The picture is far less straight forward now though for me. Clearly hospitalisations will increase over the next few weeks, but the extent of that still seems to be in question. Essentially the game has changed with the increased level of immunity resulting from the vaccine that does seem to be very successful in guarding against the worst outcomes. I'm not saying that further restrictions may not be necessary, but it does seem that the impact of full lockdowns is reduced, where as the economic cost remains the same.

By many accounts ICU's are full of unvaccinated people (almost all through their choice). Whilst that won't always be the case, I'd be reticent to swallow another round of restrictions of the type we've seen in the past unless hospitals were being completely overwhelmed. And given the people I would mix with on a regular basis are non vulnerable and triple jabbed, I'd be inclined to ignore any restrictions on things like household mixing.

Hospitals are close to being overwhelmed in London and this will likely be the case across the country soon. Problem this time is that omicron is as we know very, very virulent and the NHS will like everywhere else see significant staff absences due to omicron infections, isolating or caring for kids/elderly relatives. Beds are not the issue - it is availability of staffed beds that is very problematic. If the NHS see's nursing staff absence of 10-20% on top of the existing 10% vacancies then the NHS will struggle to cope with additional volumes of patients. Example - An ICU bed requires a 1:1 qualified nurse to bed ratio 24/7 - add in additional qualified staff time to cover breaks plus doing additional tasks like rotating patients etc and then add in 20% on top to cover annual leave, training, etc it means you need about 6.5 to 7 qualified ICU nurses per bed. ICU ward of 10 beds requires 65 to 70 wte nurses which will mean about 80'ish nurses as many work part time. If you are down 8 because of vacancies already and then lose another 10 - 15 or more to absence then you can't staff 10 ICU beds safely with 60 ish staff. You either spread qualified staff more thinly or staff ICU beds with unqualified nurses - both very unsafe and contrary to guidance - or close 2 or 3 beds. This is the problem - these staff are knackered and at the end of their tether, they have been working flat out for best part of 2 years.

I was in hospital for an outpatient appt a few weeks ago. Because of infection control the clinic was running at 50% of patient numbers so they were running extra clinics. Nurse looking after me said she normally worked part time 2 days a week in run down to retirement but because of covid was now working 4 long days a week. She should have retired some months ago but agreed to stay on because of staff shortages and she didn't want to let her colleagues down. She is going in March and they can't recruit to her post. She was concerned but said she couldn't do it anymore. Individuals staff are overwhelmed!

[dpedin]

Ok guys I have some good news about a new vaccine and it’s true, not coming from twitter or facebk.
A lab near Washington DC has developed a vaccine that is effective against COVID-19 and all its variants, even Omicron, as well as previous SARS-origin viruses .Phase 1 had great result and is under review before starting Phase2
Sorry I can’t say more, but it should be a press release very soon.

Say something about this on Twatter - developed in a military lab or something - it looks very promising indeed.

[Sandstorm]

Ok guys I have some good news about a new vaccine and it’s true, not coming from twitter or facebk.
A lab near Washington DC has developed a vaccine that is effective against COVID-19 and all its variants, even Omicron, as well as previous SARS-origin viruses .Phase 1 had great result and is under review before starting Phase2
Sorry I can’t say more, but it should be a press release very soon.

Say something about this on Twatter - developed in a military lab or something - it looks very promising indeed.

DC you say? Is it Domestos based?

[JM2K6]

Ok guys I have some good news about a new vaccine and it’s true, not coming from twitter or facebk.
A lab near Washington DC has developed a vaccine that is effective against COVID-19 and all its variants, even Omicron, as well as previous SARS-origin viruses .Phase 1 had great result and is under review before starting Phase2
Sorry I can’t say more, but it should be a press release very soon.

Say something about this on Twatter - developed in a military lab or something - it looks very promising indeed.

It's a phase 1 trial and the findings haven't been checked yet. It's pretty irresponsible of them to wank on about it already, but hey, US military...

https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2 ... ts/360089/


All that being said, I hope they're absolutely right.

[Biffer]

Ok guys I have some good news about a new vaccine and it’s true, not coming from twitter or facebk.
A lab near Washington DC has developed a vaccine that is effective against COVID-19 and all its variants, even Omicron, as well as previous SARS-origin viruses .Phase 1 had great result and is under review before starting Phase2
Sorry I can’t say more, but it should be a press release very soon.

Not really news to anyone who keeps up with the science - a universal coronavirus vaccine has been in the news multiple times in the last 18 months.

[Ymx]

Is that the one which is also needleless? Yeah I read about that.

https://www.cambridgeindependent.co.uk/ ... a-9231251/

[Ymx]

Oh, a US version.

[Wrinkles]

At all previous crossroads I've been fairly clear in my head that a lockdown was required before the Government caved to it. March 2020, Autumn 2020 and December 2020.

The picture is far less straight forward now though for me. Clearly hospitalisations will increase over the next few weeks, but the extent of that still seems to be in question. Essentially the game has changed with the increased level of immunity resulting from the vaccine that does seem to be very successful in guarding against the worst outcomes. I'm not saying that further restrictions may not be necessary, but it does seem that the impact of full lockdowns is reduced, where as the economic cost remains the same.

By many accounts ICU's are full of unvaccinated people (almost all through their choice). Whilst that won't always be the case, I'd be reticent to swallow another round of restrictions of the type we've seen in the past unless hospitals were being completely overwhelmed. And given the people I would mix with on a regular basis are non vulnerable and triple jabbed, I'd be inclined to ignore any restrictions on things like household mixing.

Hospitals are close to being overwhelmed in London and this will likely be the case across the country soon. Problem this time is that omicron is as we know very, very virulent and the NHS will like everywhere else see significant staff absences due to omicron infections, isolating or caring for kids/elderly relatives. Beds are not the issue - it is availability of staffed beds that is very problematic. If the NHS see's nursing staff absence of 10-20% on top of the existing 10% vacancies then the NHS will struggle to cope with additional volumes of patients. Example - An ICU bed requires a 1:1 qualified nurse to bed ratio 24/7 - add in additional qualified staff time to cover breaks plus doing additional tasks like rotating patients etc and then add in 20% on top to cover annual leave, training, etc it means you need about 6.5 to 7 qualified ICU nurses per bed. ICU ward of 10 beds requires 65 to 70 wte nurses which will mean about 80'ish nurses as many work part time. If you are down 8 because of vacancies already and then lose another 10 - 15 or more to absence then you can't staff 10 ICU beds safely with 60 ish staff. You either spread qualified staff more thinly or staff ICU beds with unqualified nurses - both very unsafe and contrary to guidance - or close 2 or 3 beds. This is the problem - these staff are knackered and at the end of their tether, they have been working flat out for best part of 2 years.

I was in hospital for an outpatient appt a few weeks ago. Because of infection control the clinic was running at 50% of patient numbers so they were running extra clinics. Nurse looking after me said she normally worked part time 2 days a week in run down to retirement but because of covid was now working 4 long days a week. She should have retired some months ago but agreed to stay on because of staff shortages and she didn't want to let her colleagues down. She is going in March and they can't recruit to her post. She was concerned but said she couldn't do it anymore. Individuals staff are overwhelmed!

I don’t doubt you but it’s strange they’re close to being overwhelmed with less than a quarter of the patients they had last year (1,900 v 8,000).

[petej]

They would be close to being overwhelmed regardless. To not be overwhelmed they need excess capacity. They have no excess capacity as any excess capacity would be engaged in tackling the massive waiting lists which had more than doubled in size even prior to the pandemic. The nhs has finite resources so more COVID cases means less people being treated for something else as resources/staff are shifted to treating COVID patients. Anti vaxxers are essentially denying someone else life changing/saving treatment.

[Sandstorm]

They would be close to being overwhelmed regardless. To not be overwhelmed they need excess capacity. They have no excess capacity as any excess capacity would be engaged in tackling the massive waiting lists which had more than doubled in size even prior to the pandemic. The nhs has finite resources so more COVID cases means less people being treated for something else as resources/staff are shifted to treating COVID patients. Anti vaxxers are essentially denying someone else life changing/saving treatment.

Don’t forget to add the number of NHS staff who are self-isolating at home.

[dpedin]

They would be close to being overwhelmed regardless. To not be overwhelmed they need excess capacity. They have no excess capacity as any excess capacity would be engaged in tackling the massive waiting lists which had more than doubled in size even prior to the pandemic. The nhs has finite resources so more COVID cases means less people being treated for something else as resources/staff are shifted to treating COVID patients. Anti vaxxers are essentially denying someone else life changing/saving treatment.

This plus there is a cumulative effect of having covid over the last 18-24 months. Big backlogs have developed but also many on these will have become more urgent due to having to wait longer during covid and can't be delayed any longer. Also covid patients have a longer length of stay than most other 'normal' patients. For example many will go into ICU following an operation but will only be in there for a day or two at most before going into a general surgical ward - say after cardiac operation. So you have short length of stays and quicker turnaround of beds - operations can be planned ahead knowing that an ICU bed will be available. However covid patients can stay in an ICU bed for weeks without anyone knowing if they will live or die and when they will get out of the ICU. And then of course you need to have separate ICU for covid and non covid patients which can be difficult and might mean use of recovery areas normally used for surgery in order to access gasses etc thus putting a theatre or two out of action. Then you need two separate teams of staff to cover the two different ICUs which is inherently more staff intensive. I know a small DGH not far away from me which only has 5 ICU beds - one covid patient means the whole ICU is not available for non covid patients due to the logistics and infection control issues. As a result all other planned operations need to be cancelled until covid patients is out of ICU.

Just looking at bed numbers or patient numbers is over simplistic and doesn't tell anything like the whole story!

[Ovals]

It’s a Tuesday. Tuesdays nearly always have the highest reported figure each week.

To put the number into context, reported deaths are up 0.9% week-on-week and the last time 172 deaths were actually registered in a single day was 1st November. No day in the last month has got above 150 and the average is currently 115. Hospitalisations are up 2.2% but it’s been reported the majority of patients in hospital in London with Omicron were admitted for other reasons, so it may be fair to assume the same elsewhere.

Too early to be sure, but it’s beginning to look like cases may have peaked last Wednesday (the numbers announced each day are reports, not the day tests were taken).

I think you might have been a bit too optimistic

Possibly, but 106,122 is the number reported today, not the number who tested positive today. 15th December is still the highest by sample date (103,281), followed by the 16th (96,254), then the 14th (94,963). Other days over 80,000 are the 29th December last year, plus 13th, 17th & 20th December this year. 20th December looks possible for a new record as reports tend to lag by a day or two. It’s currently showing 81,760, exactly the same as the previous Monday.

However, the number who tested positive on the 22nd will also increase significantly over the next few days as the data catches up. Best to just use the moving average which is stil trending upwards.

[dpedin]

I was playing golf with a Doc last week. For his specialty in Embra they currently only have access to only one theatre instead of the usual four. Covid plus staffing issues and winter pressures has meant the theatre/recovery space in a couple has been required plus theatre staff are scarce and currently redeployed into covid or other areas. They are only doing emergency or urgent surgery, the docs are fighting over access to the one theatre and are operating whenever they can night or day, weekends, etc. Huge backlogs and no end in sight I am afraid with omicron.

[Slick]

I see young people, 30-49 has now overtaken over 60’s in hospitals in Scotland due to vaccination levels in that group

[dpedin]

I see young people, 30-49 has now overtaken over 60’s in hospitals in Scotland due to vaccination levels in that group

Wow!

[petej]

They would be close to being overwhelmed regardless. To not be overwhelmed they need excess capacity. They have no excess capacity as any excess capacity would be engaged in tackling the massive waiting lists which had more than doubled in size even prior to the pandemic. The nhs has finite resources so more COVID cases means less people being treated for something else as resources/staff are shifted to treating COVID patients. Anti vaxxers are essentially denying someone else life changing/saving treatment.

This plus there is a cumulative effect of having covid over the last 18-24 months. Big backlogs have developed but also many on these will have become more urgent due to having to wait longer during covid and can't be delayed any longer. Also covid patients have a longer length of stay than most other 'normal' patients. For example many will go into ICU following an operation but will only be in there for a day or two at most before going into a general surgical ward - say after cardiac operation. So you have short length of stays and quicker turnaround of beds - operations can be planned ahead knowing that an ICU bed will be available. However covid patients can stay in an ICU bed for weeks without anyone knowing if they will live or die and when they will get out of the ICU. And then of course you need to have separate ICU for covid and non covid patients which can be difficult and might mean use of recovery areas normally used for surgery in order to access gasses etc thus putting a theatre or two out of action. Then you need two separate teams of staff to cover the two different ICUs which is inherently more staff intensive. I know a small DGH not far away from me which only has 5 ICU beds - one covid patient means the whole ICU is not available for non covid patients due to the logistics and infection control issues. As a result all other planned operations need to be cancelled until covid patients is out of ICU.

Just looking at bed numbers or patient numbers is over simplistic and doesn't tell anything like the whole story!

I just find the overwhelmed not overwhelmed back and forth a bit futile. Can the nhs treat more COVID patients? The answer is clearly yes as they did so last January but at a cost which is others not being treated. Even looking at patient numbers and bed numbers and understanding a basic model is better. BBC should put one together where you increase the number of covid patients and the number of patients (ratio of patients from shouldn't be 1:1) being treated for other conditions decreases and the nhs back log increases.

My tolerance for the stupidity and selfishness of anti-vaxxers is very low. How nhs staff don't want to smash their stupid heads repeatedly against a wall instead of treating them I don't know.
Edit: Johnson being forced to play theme hospital and other similar games like sim city would have been more useful than classics.

[Torquemada 1420]

Ok guys I have some good news about a new vaccine and it’s true, not coming from twitter or facebk.
A lab near Washington DC has developed a vaccine that is effective against COVID-19 and all its variants, even Omicron, as well as previous SARS-origin viruses .Phase 1 had great result and is under review before starting Phase2
Sorry I can’t say more, but it should be a press release very soon.

No worries. The UK Govt will cancel any orders anyway unless there are backhanders to members of the Tory party.

[Sandstorm]

My tolerance for the stupidity and selfishness of anti-vaxxers is very low. How nhs staff don't want to smash their stupid heads repeatedly against a wall instead of treating them I don't know.

Let’s treat unvaccinated Covid patients at home. A nurse will pop in once a day with some more O2 and another shot of dexi.

Then we can bring in all those jabbed patients who need cancer treatments and hip operations safely and make full use of ICUs.