So, coronavirus...

[Ymx]

From your link. The rise needs some perspective.

[Blackmac]

London admissions not looking good. > 40% rise between 18th Dec and 21st Dec.
Screenshot 2021-12-24 at 09.35.56.png
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... o_hospital

London seems to be driving the nationwide statistics. Astonishing to see how low the vaccine take up is.

[Ymx]

Useful site Mahoney.

And those needing ventilation

[Torquemada 1420]

Wrong. In London the hospitals were screaming to send patients there. The doctors who set up the nightingales mentioned over and over about lack of staffing but were told just to get on with sorting out the infrastructure. When they opened very few staff were transferred over. If they had been staffed the london ICUs would have emptied themselves into there and there were plans for them to be an A&E type triage reception for new patients.

That this didn't happen was purely down to the lack of staffing.

Edit. Source - I used to play rugby with one of the clinical directors.

Interesting. I had a couple of friends who were in there as part of FANY. Their comments echo yours i.e. plenty of ancillary staff but a marked shortage of senior medical staff. I can't recall the exact patient nos. during their tenure but it was single figures!

Looks like it was a rob Peter to pay Paul scenario i.e. without magically creating more senior staff, the Nightingales were nothing more than isolation camps.

[Torquemada 1420]

London admissions not looking good. > 40% rise between 18th Dec and 21st Dec.
Screenshot 2021-12-24 at 09.35.56.png
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... o_hospital

FFS. 300 across the entirety of London. A rise from 1 to 2 is a 100% rise........

[I like neeps]

London admissions not looking good. > 40% rise between 18th Dec and 21st Dec.
Screenshot 2021-12-24 at 09.35.56.png
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... o_hospital

London seems to be driving the nationwide statistics. Astonishing to see how low the vaccine take up is.

There's a very good argument for regional restrictions in London. Will never happen as the country is so London dominant but it should.

[Mahoney]

London's hospital admission numbers need to be seen in the context of rises in cases, and hospital admissions lagging cases. It's a reasonable assumption that what we are seeing in admissions on the 20th & 21st December is the filter through of the dramatic rise in cases on 13th December, so it's the first UK evidence of the link between omicron cases and hospital admissions.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... cimen_date

[laurent]

Came back negative.

French app says i don't need to isolate (triple vacc)

I think I'll talk this with my mother and see what she thinks (we are all vaccinated bar the youngest).
My mother was a Nurse before you all go mad.

Merry chrimbo ya feckin' Virus

[Calculon]

If Omicron does multiply 70 times faster in the bronchi than Delta, as well as the increased transmissibility, you might expect a shorter time between positive case and potential hospital admission.

[Ymx]

If the hospitalisation reduction is down to 30% on omicron

For equivalence
50k cases delta = 167k cases omicron

In terms of hospitalised.

In terms of ICU and deaths, the factor is much larger I understand. But didn’t see that number.

[sefton]

122,000 cases today, it best lead to at least 70% less hospitalisations or at this rate we’ll be in the shit in a week.

[Sandstorm]

122,000 cases today, it best lead to at least 70% less hospitalisations or at this rate we’ll be in the shit in a week.

Just close the hospitals until January. Problem solved.


Shit, does Raab lurk here?

[Rinkals]

Lockdowns were a tool for a very specific issue - viral pandemic with no effective remedy. We have one now - vaccination - that seems to be stopping critical levels of death. Lockdowns aren't a standard tool and have catastrophic side effects. No more of them please.

It's not often that I agree with you, but this is one of those rare occasions.

[convoluted]

So this morning's paper told me that just one booster is insufficient protection against Omicron. You need two boosters.
'UK mulls fourth jab to combat Omicron'
The same article describes the consequences of that strain: 'The scientists said people ill with the variant usually feel a sore throat, then develop a runny nose and headache'.

Blaring headlines the last week at two Omicron deaths, one in London who already had severe comorbities and was ready to cark it anyway, and one in Israel also with bad health i.e. both dying with Omicron rather than from it.

Yet apparently, to protect the protected from me inflicting a runny nose on them, I should do the decent thing and get two more of these experimental concoctions so Nancy Pelosi can get her cut from my two jabs and increase her $100 million personal worth.
As poster JM2K6 would hiss at me: "It's for the greater good."

[sefton]

So this morning's paper told me that just one booster is insufficient protection against Omicron. You need two boosters.
'UK mulls fourth jab to combat Omicron'
The same article describes the consequences of that strain: 'The scientists said people ill with the variant usually feel a sore throat, then develop a runny nose and headache'.

Blaring headlines the last week at two Omicron deaths, one in London who already had severe comorbities and was ready to cark it anyway, and one in Israel also with bad health i.e. both dying with Omicron rather than from it.

Yet apparently, to protect the protected from me inflicting a runny nose on them, I should do the decent thing and get two more of these experimental concoctions so Nancy Pelosi can get her cut from my two jabs and increase her $100 million personal worth.
As poster JM2K6 would hiss at me: "It's for the greater good."

[TheFrog]

I think some of the PR resident weirdos have migrated here.

[sefton]

I think some of the PR resident weirdos have migrated here.

I’ll bet the mentalists were still at it yesterday.

[sockwithaticket]

I think some of the PR resident weirdos have migrated here.

Unfortunately, convoluted has been here for a while. I only have them and refry blocked on here.

[tabascoboy]

Well, predictably this is causing outrage on Twatter (origin is the Daily Fail )

Door-to-door Covid jabs as Boris considers New Year restrictions TOMORROW but vows to keep schools open:
SAGE warns new Omicron wave hospitalisations could be higher than last winter
Ministers are planning to send teams armed with Covid vaccines to the homes of unvaccinated Britons

[Sandstorm]

Well, predictably this is causing outrage on Twatter (origin is the Daily Fail )

Door-to-door Covid jabs as Boris considers New Year restrictions TOMORROW but vows to keep schools open:
SAGE warns new Omicron wave hospitalisations could be higher than last winter
Ministers are planning to send teams armed with Covid vaccines to the homes of unvaccinated Britons

Surely it’s easier to weld their front doors shut?

[tabascoboy]

Well, predictably this is causing outrage on Twatter (origin is the Daily Fail )

Door-to-door Covid jabs as Boris considers New Year restrictions TOMORROW but vows to keep schools open:
SAGE warns new Omicron wave hospitalisations could be higher than last winter
Ministers are planning to send teams armed with Covid vaccines to the homes of unvaccinated Britons

Surely it’s easier to weld their front doors shut?

after piping sarin into their homes - though maybe that's going just a bit too far...?

[sefton]

I’ll agree with them that schools have to be kept open, the impact I’ve seen, obviously limited by the numbers in our MAT, have been dreadful, not just on the list learning but their socialisation skills.

[Sandstorm]

I’ll agree with them that schools have to be kept open, the impact I’ve seen, obviously limited by the numbers in our MAT, have been dreadful, not just on the list learning but their socialisation skills.

Spending too much time with your parents is bad for children.

[Uncle fester]

How are people after their boosters?

Must people seem to get 24 hours of unwellness but I'm into my 4th day of it now.
Got the jab Wednesday. Thursday was the worst of it. Should really have gone to bed but couldn't get out of work and recovery seems to be very slow.

No temperature but feel like I should have one. Quite achy. Have done antigens daily and they are all clear. Reckon my system was heading for a crash anyway and the booster was an unhelpful kick in the wrong direction.

[dpedin]

How are people after their boosters?

Must people seem to get 24 hours of unwellness but I'm into my 4th day of it now.
Got the jab Wednesday. Thursday was the worst of it. Should really have gone to bed but couldn't get out of work and recovery seems to be very slow.

No temperature but feel like I should have one. Quite achy. Have done antigens daily and they are all clear. Reckon my system was heading for a crash anyway and the booster was an unhelpful kick in the wrong direction.

I had Moderna booster after 2 x AZ. I felt tired and lethargic the day or two afterwards but generally ok thereafter. I am in the ONS study, have been for some time now, and get monthly PCR and finger prick antigen tests. PCR has always been negative and blood test shows I have antibodies. Im also doing a couple of LFT every week and they have all been negative ... fingers crossed.

[Sandstorm]

How are people after their boosters?

Must people seem to get 24 hours of unwellness but I'm into my 4th day of it now.
Got the jab Wednesday. Thursday was the worst of it. Should really have gone to bed but couldn't get out of work and recovery seems to be very slow.

No temperature but feel like I should have one. Quite achy. Have done antigens daily and they are all clear. Reckon my system was heading for a crash anyway and the booster was an unhelpful kick in the wrong direction.

5 out of 6 people in my team had at least 1 day off sick after booster. Aged 22 - 54. 1 guy was fucked for 4 days and a week after that still fells knackered.

3 jabs in 12 months is a lot for anyone for any disease.

[GogLais]

How are people after their boosters?

Must people seem to get 24 hours of unwellness but I'm into my 4th day of it now.
Got the jab Wednesday. Thursday was the worst of it. Should really have gone to bed but couldn't get out of work and recovery seems to be very slow.

No temperature but feel like I should have one. Quite achy. Have done antigens daily and they are all clear. Reckon my system was heading for a crash anyway and the booster was an unhelpful kick in the wrong direction.

5 out of 6 people in my team had at least 1 day off sick after booster. Aged 22 - 54. 1 guy was fucked for 4 days and a week after that still fells knackered.

3 jabs in 12 months is a lot for anyone for any disease.

Didn't notice a thing and I'm 72 I'll have you know.

[Happyhooker]

How are people after their boosters?

Must people seem to get 24 hours of unwellness but I'm into my 4th day of it now.
Got the jab Wednesday. Thursday was the worst of it. Should really have gone to bed but couldn't get out of work and recovery seems to be very slow.

No temperature but feel like I should have one. Quite achy. Have done antigens daily and they are all clear. Reckon my system was heading for a crash anyway and the booster was an unhelpful kick in the wrong direction.

5 out of 6 people in my team had at least 1 day off sick after booster. Aged 22 - 54. 1 guy was fucked for 4 days and a week after that still fells knackered.

3 jabs in 12 months is a lot for anyone for any disease.

Didn't notice a thing and I'm 72 I'll have you know.

Same. Well apart from the 72 bit!! (I'm 51)

2 of my mates were I'll for 4 days, but my 78yr old mum felt no side effects

[Sandstorm]

my 78yr old mum felt no side effects

The 5G chip is probably wasted on her.

[Happyhooker]

my 78yr old mum felt no side effects

The 5G chip is probably wasted on her.

Tbf, she was involved in computing back in the days where they used punch cards and ticker tape and is much more tech savvy than me.

But then I just about know not to put my computer in the dishwasher, so that's a low bar

[TheFrog]

How are people after their boosters?

Must people seem to get 24 hours of unwellness but I'm into my 4th day of it now.
Got the jab Wednesday. Thursday was the worst of it. Should really have gone to bed but couldn't get out of work and recovery seems to be very slow.

No temperature but feel like I should have one. Quite achy. Have done antigens daily and they are all clear. Reckon my system was heading for a crash anyway and the booster was an unhelpful kick in the wrong direction.

5 out of 6 people in my team had at least 1 day off sick after booster. Aged 22 - 54. 1 guy was fucked for 4 days and a week after that still fells knackered.

3 jabs in 12 months is a lot for anyone for any disease.

2 Pfizer followed by one Moderna and I have not had any secondary effect (apart from limited soreness locally, where the injection was located).

Makes me wonder whether I am actually immunized...

[salanya]

Obviously people respond differently to viruses, but I do wonder if younger people seem to have more effects due to the amount of jabs in a shorter period.

If you're in your 70s you probably had your first jab in January and the second one in April (or thereabouts). So that's a good 7-9 months before the third jab for most seniors.

I had my first jab in May and second one in August, and I'm just holding fire for the booster till sometime in January. I knew that I wasn't going to be doing too much socialising in the Christmas holidays, so not too much risk for myself or others.
I feel more comfortable to give my body a bit more time between jabs; there was a reason that originally there was a 6 month minimum period till the booster.

[Rinkals]

Well, predictably this is causing outrage on Twatter (origin is the Daily Fail )

Surely it’s easier to weld their front doors shut?

after piping sarin into their homes - though maybe that's going just a bit too far...?

No.

No, I don't think it is.

[Slick]

How are people after their boosters?

Must people seem to get 24 hours of unwellness but I'm into my 4th day of it now.
Got the jab Wednesday. Thursday was the worst of it. Should really have gone to bed but couldn't get out of work and recovery seems to be very slow.

No temperature but feel like I should have one. Quite achy. Have done antigens daily and they are all clear. Reckon my system was heading for a crash anyway and the booster was an unhelpful kick in the wrong direction.

There are quite a few other viruses going about at the moment according to my doc (I know there always is). I felt shite for 4-5 weeks and similar feeling of thinking I should have had a temp etc with one, then the first day I felt better had my bloody booster.

[Sandstorm]

Obviously people respond differently to viruses, but I do wonder if younger people seem to have more effects due to the amount of jabs in a shorter period.

If you're in your 70s you probably had your first jab in January and the second one in April (or thereabouts). So that's a good 7-9 months before the third jab for most seniors.

I had my first jab in May and second one in August, and I'm just holding fire for the booster till sometime in January. I knew that I wasn't going to be doing too much socialising in the Christmas holidays, so not too much risk for myself or others.
I feel more comfortable to give my body a bit more time between jabs; there was a reason that originally there was a 6 month minimum period till the booster.

You plan to wait another 14 days before your next jab??? You’re a monster!!!

[salanya]

Obviously people respond differently to viruses, but I do wonder if younger people seem to have more effects due to the amount of jabs in a shorter period.

If you're in your 70s you probably had your first jab in January and the second one in April (or thereabouts). So that's a good 7-9 months before the third jab for most seniors.

I had my first jab in May and second one in August, and I'm just holding fire for the booster till sometime in January. I knew that I wasn't going to be doing too much socialising in the Christmas holidays, so not too much risk for myself or others.
I feel more comfortable to give my body a bit more time between jabs; there was a reason that originally there was a 6 month minimum period till the booster.

You plan to wait another 14 days before your next jab??? You’re a monster!!!

I know! I may even push it to 21 or even 28 days!

With all the government texts I've been receiving I feel like quite the rebel.

[dpedin]

How are people after their boosters?

Must people seem to get 24 hours of unwellness but I'm into my 4th day of it now.
Got the jab Wednesday. Thursday was the worst of it. Should really have gone to bed but couldn't get out of work and recovery seems to be very slow.

No temperature but feel like I should have one. Quite achy. Have done antigens daily and they are all clear. Reckon my system was heading for a crash anyway and the booster was an unhelpful kick in the wrong direction.

There are quite a few other viruses going about at the moment according to my doc (I know there always is). I felt shite for 4-5 weeks and similar feeling of thinking I should have had a temp etc with one, then the first day I felt better had my bloody booster.

Statistically there will be a sizeable number of folk who get vaccine/booster whilst also incubating a non covid virus and who will then develop symptoms of the other virus and blame it on the vaccine/booster. In days gone by any number of blockheads believed they got the flu from their flu jab even though it is a 'dead' virus. I suspect many of those who have a bad reaction to their booster will probably have a virus of one sort or another.

[Sandstorm]

How are people after their boosters?

Must people seem to get 24 hours of unwellness but I'm into my 4th day of it now.
Got the jab Wednesday. Thursday was the worst of it. Should really have gone to bed but couldn't get out of work and recovery seems to be very slow.

No temperature but feel like I should have one. Quite achy. Have done antigens daily and they are all clear. Reckon my system was heading for a crash anyway and the booster was an unhelpful kick in the wrong direction.

There are quite a few other viruses going about at the moment according to my doc (I know there always is). I felt shite for 4-5 weeks and similar feeling of thinking I should have had a temp etc with one, then the first day I felt better had my bloody booster.

Statistically there will be a sizeable number of folk who get vaccine/booster whilst also incubating a non covid virus and who will then develop symptoms of the other virus and blame it on the vaccine/booster. In days gone by any number of blockheads believed they got the flu from their flu jab even though it is a 'dead' virus. I suspect many of those who have a bad reaction to their booster will probably have a virus of one sort or another.

I had a very bad reaction to my booster. Maybe I have ovarian cysts?

[Happyhooker]

There are quite a few other viruses going about at the moment according to my doc (I know there always is). I felt shite for 4-5 weeks and similar feeling of thinking I should have had a temp etc with one, then the first day I felt better had my bloody booster.

Statistically there will be a sizeable number of folk who get vaccine/booster whilst also incubating a non covid virus and who will then develop symptoms of the other virus and blame it on the vaccine/booster. In days gone by any number of blockheads believed they got the flu from their flu jab even though it is a 'dead' virus. I suspect many of those who have a bad reaction to their booster will probably have a virus of one sort or another.

I had a very bad reaction to my booster. Maybe I have ovarian cysts?

That would explain much of your posting history

[Sandstorm]

I should go for a scan at my OBGYN.