Another mass shooting in the US

[Uncle fester]

https://www.rte.ie/news/newslens/2021/0 ... brick-gun/



Yes, that is a real gun.

[Rinkals]

https://www.rte.ie/news/newslens/2021/0 ... brick-gun/



Yes, that is a real gun.

Fucking hell!

Anyone with half a brain could see that that wasn't a very good idea.

But, instead of acknowledging that dressing up a firearm as a toy might make children want to play with it, they've doubled down by welcoming the publicity because it will generate more sales.

In a statement on its Instagram site, the company said it was "grateful for the attention that Block19 is currently getting across the globe".

If and when someone who buys the thing is shot by his children, one would be tempted to hail karma, but it'll probably affect the kid for its entire life.

[Uncle fester]

Looks like they only sold a limited number but they were probably looking for free advertising in the first place.

[Calculon]

https://www.rte.ie/news/newslens/2021/0 ... brick-gun/



Yes, that is a real gun.

A bit crazy yes, but the execution is brilliant. Really does look like it's made of lego.

[fishfoodie]

https://www.rte.ie/news/newslens/2021/0 ... brick-gun/



Yes, that is a real gun.

A bit crazy yes, but the execution is brilliant. Really does look like it's made of lego.

Lego agrees .... & that's why they're sueing the scumbags, & they've a very good chance of taking them to the cleaners.

[Niegs]

Is this the most American 'solution' to the problem? Can't change the gun laws, but can sue their asses and run them into the ground after the fact?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/sandy-hoo ... -1.6352480

[fishfoodie]

Is this the most American 'solution' to the problem? Can't change the gun laws, but can sue their asses and run them into the ground after the fact?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/sandy-hoo ... -1.6352480

Well, you know what they say: "Don't go to the Law for Justice, only money !"

[Enzedder]

Remington, one of the nation's oldest gun makers founded in 1816, filed for bankruptcy for a second time in 2020 and its assets were later sold off to several companies. The manufacturer was weighed down by lawsuits and retail sales restrictions following the school shooting.

Four insurers for the now-bankrupt company agreed to pay the full amount of coverage available, totaling $73 million, the plaintiffs said.

Man, between Supreme Court appeals and bankruptcy, they tried everything they could to stop the suits.

Hopefully that opens the gates for many more suits to come

[Blake]

Is this the most American 'solution' to the problem? Can't change the gun laws, but can sue their asses and run them into the ground after the fact?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/sandy-hoo ... -1.6352480

I think that's part of it and one angle that will be used.

Another is going to be when blue states start doing what red states are doing to restrict abortion and now using to censor certain books.
It's a stupid slippery slope that the GOP opened up, but if the Democrats and activists can't get the Supreme Court to rule it to be unconstitutional, they might as well exploit it to further their agenda.

Don't challenge the second amendment or try to impose restrictions on it.
Just make it possible for ANYBODY to sue any retailer or individual that selling guns in your state, or sue ANYBODY that travels out of state or assist a person in traveling out of state to purchase a gun.

It's absurd, but it's the only way to get the Supreme Court to rule on it. They can take the Texas Law and just cross out "abortion" and scribble in "firearm" and change the "before 8 weeks" to "after 8 week waiting period" and ram it through. Should be entertaining.

[Torquemada 1420]

"Guns are fun. Shooting is fun. 30 rounds full auto is fun," the company said on its website.

[fishfoodie]

"Guns are fun. Shooting is fun. 30 rounds full auto is fun," the company said on its website.

Hey, shooting recreationally is fun. But its possible to have 99% of that fun plinking cans with an air rifle, or 22 rimfire.

The US has an entire industry trying to convince you that to actually have fun, you need a browning 30 cal, & be allowed to hose down classrooms with it.

[Uncle fester]

Shooting on NY subway. 16 injured.

BBC News - Brooklyn shooting: Sixteen injured in New York City subway station
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61082792

[Kawazaki]

This is my default reaction to mass shootings in the USA since Sandy Hook.

If they don't give a shit then why should we?

[Enzedder]

This is my default reaction to mass shootings in the USA since Sandy Hook.

If they don't give a shit then why should we?

I'm with you for exactly the same reason. It's my "go to" in every argument with a gun toting Yank and I still haven't heard a decent reply to it.

[Guy Smiley]

Going to NY this week

Taxi not subway

Apparently the guy wore a gas mask, set off a smoke bomb inside a subway car then opened fire. WTF with that?

[PCPhil]

I see they id'd the lad. That's something and the security around NY will be top notch. Best time to go tbf

Remember. If the crims don’t get ya then the cops will.

[tabascoboy]

Buffalo shooting: Ten dead in suspected race attack at New York state store

An 18-year-old white man has shot dead 10 people in a black neighbourhood of New York state in what authorities are calling a racially motivated attack.

The man, named as Payton Gendron in court papers, was arrested after a stand-off at the scene - a supermarket in the city of Buffalo.

The suspect entered the store on Saturday afternoon before opening fire. He livestreamed the attack online.

US President Joe Biden condemned what he called an "abhorrent" act.

"We are investigating this incident as both a hate crime and a case of racially-motivated violent extremism," said Stephen Belongia, from the FBI's Buffalo office, adding there was evidence of "racial animosity."

CBS news reported that the attacker shouted racial slurs during the shooting and suggested that he had a racial slur written on his weapon. He also apparently posted a manifesto online which included racist language and ideas.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61452958

[Tilly Orifice]

Will he get some clemency for having to go through life with the name Payton Gendron?

[robmatic]

Will he get some clemency for having to go through life with the name Payton Gendron?

Sounds like a Game of Thrones character.

[average joe]

Almost sounds like a porn moniker

[Niegs]

The frustration of it all... he's not wrong, though. As others said, if nothing substantial was done after Sandy Hook, will things ever change?

[Kawazaki]

The frustration of it all... he's not wrong, though. As others said, if nothing substantial was done after Sandy Hook, will things ever change?

Second Tweet under that video...



More guns is the answer. More. You can't help these people, they're idiots.

[Uncle fester]

The frustration of it all... he's not wrong, though. As others said, if nothing substantial was done after Sandy Hook, will things ever change?

https://twitter.com/MikeSington/status/

It’s to late, ban guns and a civil war/martial law might be the only outcome.
Just saw the post from Kawasaki above, the tweet from Eileen conly said it all , these laws exist but nobody wants them because “ my freedom “

Look at the political spectrum, most of the republican’ new generation are closer to David Duke’s views than Ronald Reagan.

Civil war/strife incoming?
I'm sticking to my prediction of something along the lines of Spanish civil war.

[Niegs]

The frustration of it all... he's not wrong, though. As others said, if nothing substantial was done after Sandy Hook, will things ever change?

Second Tweet under that video...



More guns is the answer. More. You can't help these people, they're idiots.

A report I read said the teen had body armour and a retired cop security guard couldn't stop him with at least one bullet making contact before being killed himself.

... so, of course, they'll say that this needs to happen to be sure.

[Hugo]

Look at the political spectrum, most of the republican’ new generation are closer to David Duke’s views than Ronald Reagan’s.

For the record Reagan was racist. Caught on tape calling Africans "monkeys" in a telephone conversation with Nixon. Opposed MLK getting a national holiday, opposed sanctions against South Africa, popularised the dog whistle "welfare queen" trope in the 70s, against affirmative action, opposed civil rights.

The worst type of racist infact, one that tries to hide it with spurious justifications.

[Fonz]

The frustration of it all... he's not wrong, though. As others said, if nothing substantial was done after Sandy Hook, will things ever change?

https://twitter.com/MikeSington/status/

It’s to late, ban guns and a civil war/martial law might be the only outcome.
Just saw the post from Kawasaki above, the tweet from Eileen conly said it all , these laws exist but nobody wants them because “ my freedom “

Look at the political spectrum, most of the republican’ new generation are closer to David Duke’s views than Ronald Reagan.

Civil war/strife incoming?
I'm sticking to my prediction of something along the lines of Spanish civil war.

Lots of people are saying this sort of thing nowadays, but I don't expect anything quite that spectacular. I think it's much more likely we slowly morph into an English-speaking Brazil with uglier women and shittier weather.

[fishfoodie]

Look at the political spectrum, most of the republican’ new generation are closer to David Duke’s views than Ronald Reagan’s.

For the record Reagan was racist. Caught on tape calling Africans "monkeys" in a telephone conversation with Nixon. Opposed MLK getting a national holiday, opposed sanctions against South Africa, popularised the dog whistle "welfare queen" trope in the 70s, against affirmative action, opposed civil rights.

The worst type of racist infact, one that tries to hide it with spurious justifications.

Hardly a surprise; he was an, "actor", who informed on dozens of people in Hollywood he considered Commies, to McCarthy.

Like Wayne, he never served during WW II, & pricks still felt entitled to question other people, who did serve's Patriotism

[Fonz]

Look at the political spectrum, most of the republican’ new generation are closer to David Duke’s views than Ronald Reagan’s.

For the record Reagan was racist. Caught on tape calling Africans "monkeys" in a telephone conversation with Nixon. Opposed MLK getting a national holiday, opposed sanctions against South Africa, popularised the dog whistle "welfare queen" trope in the 70s, against affirmative action, opposed civil rights.

The worst type of racist infact, one that tries to hide it with spurious justifications.

Hardly a surprise; he was an, "actor", who informed on dozens of people in Hollywood he considered Commies, to McCarthy.

Like Wayne, he never served during WW II, & pricks still felt entitled to question other people, who did serve's Patriotism

Woah woah woah, we'll have none of that John Wayne slander here...for the record:

Wayne was exempted from service due to his age (34 at the time of Pearl Harbor) and family status (classified as 3-A – family deferment). Wayne repeatedly wrote to John Ford saying he wanted to enlist, on one occasion inquiring whether he could get into Ford's military unit.[39] Wayne did not attempt to prevent his reclassification as 1-A (draft eligible), but Republic Studios was emphatically resistant to losing him, since he was their only A-list actor under contract. Herbert J. Yates, president of Republic, threatened Wayne with a lawsuit if he walked away from his contract,[40] and Republic Pictures intervened in the Selective Service process, requesting Wayne's further deferment.[41]

U.S. National Archives records indicate that Wayne, in fact, did make an application[42] to serve in the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), precursor to the modern CIA, and had been accepted within the U.S. Army's allotted billet to the OSS. William J. Donovan, OSS commander, wrote Wayne a letter informing him of his acceptance into the Field Photographic Unit as a special forces commando, but the letter went to his estranged wife Josephine's home. She never told him about it.

[Niegs]

Woah woah woah, we'll have none of that John Wayne slander here...for the record:

Wayne was exempted from service due to his age (34 at the time of Pearl Harbor) and family status (classified as 3-A – family deferment). Wayne repeatedly wrote to John Ford saying he wanted to enlist, on one occasion inquiring whether he could get into Ford's military unit.[39] Wayne did not attempt to prevent his reclassification as 1-A (draft eligible), but Republic Studios was emphatically resistant to losing him, since he was their only A-list actor under contract. Herbert J. Yates, president of Republic, threatened Wayne with a lawsuit if he walked away from his contract,[40] and Republic Pictures intervened in the Selective Service process, requesting Wayne's further deferment.[41]

U.S. National Archives records indicate that Wayne, in fact, did make an application[42] to serve in the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), precursor to the modern CIA, and had been accepted within the U.S. Army's allotted billet to the OSS. William J. Donovan, OSS commander, wrote Wayne a letter informing him of his acceptance into the Field Photographic Unit as a special forces commando, but the letter went to his estranged wife Josephine's home. She never told him about it.

Hmm ... didn't stop Jimmy Stewart or Clark Gable or Henry Fonda when bosses tried to keep them out of action. Lew Ayres, in a way, went to greater lengths to serve despite not wanting to 'fight'.

[average joe]

Almost everyone was racist sexist bigots back then. It was the in thing to be. If we're going to judge dead people on stuff that was a norm 50 years ago, we'll be hard pressed finding historical role models.

[Gumboot]

Almost everyone was racist sexist bigots back then. It was the in thing to be. If we're going to judge dead people on stuff that was a norm 50 years ago, we'll be hard pressed finding historical role models.

"Everyone" as in everyone everywhere in the world, or as in every white person in South Africa?

[laurent]

Almost everyone was racist sexist bigots back then. It was the in thing to be. If we're going to judge dead people on stuff that was a norm 50 years ago, we'll be hard pressed finding historical role models.

"Everyone" as in everyone everywhere in the world, or as in every white person in South Africa?

To be clear the US was still segregated in large extents.

[FalseBayFC]

Almost everyone was racist sexist bigots back then. It was the in thing to be. If we're going to judge dead people on stuff that was a norm 50 years ago, we'll be hard pressed finding historical role models.

"Everyone" as in everyone everywhere in the world, or as in every white person in South Africa?

1972 I would say most white people around the world would held views or exhibited behaviour that was problematic by todays standards. TV shows were full of casual racism, homophobia and sexism. Institutional racism was practiced in NZ, Canada, Aus and the US. And of course South Africa were way out in front. I don't think AF is too far off with his assertion there.

[JM2K6]

Nah, Reagan was particularly bad for it, in both words and deeds, even for the standards of American politicians at the time. Certainly by the standards of who came before and after him. He was pretty hardline on race. GWH Bush was hardly a poster boy for equal rights but even the guy who campaigned on the Willy Horton ad was a mile better than Reagan. And Reagan followed Carter, who was basically a civil rights hero. Carter followed Gerald Ford, who worked pretty hard to break down racial discrimination.

Plus plenty of segregationists actually became more understanding as they grew older, and apologised for what they'd said and done. Reagan was proud of it though.

It's a bit like the argument about one of my favourite horror writers, H.P. Lovecraft. Ole' HP was a massive racist. "So was everyone else back then!" they cry. Well, yes and no. There were more racists and more overt racism. But even by the standards of the day, Lovecraft was pretty fucking awful.

[average joe]

Nah, Reagan was particularly bad for it, in both words and deeds, even for the standards of American politicians at the time. Certainly by the standards of who came before and after him. He was pretty hardline on race. GWH Bush was hardly a poster boy for equal rights but even the guy who campaigned on the Willy Horton ad was a mile better than Reagan. And Reagan followed Carter, who was basically a civil rights hero. Carter followed Gerald Ford, who worked pretty hard to break down racial discrimination.

Plus plenty of segregationists actually became more understanding as they grew older, and apologised for what they'd said and done. Reagan was proud of it though.

It's a bit like the argument about one of my favourite horror writers, H.P. Lovecraft. Ole' HP was a massive racist. "So was everyone else back then!" they cry. Well, yes and no. There were more racists and more overt racism. But even by the standards of the day, Lovecraft was pretty fucking awful.

Or he was just more honest about it.

[Gumboot]

Almost everyone was racist sexist bigots back then. It was the in thing to be. If we're going to judge dead people on stuff that was a norm 50 years ago, we'll be hard pressed finding historical role models.

"Everyone" as in everyone everywhere in the world, or as in every white person in South Africa?

To be clear the US was still segregated in large extents.

Which is why the Civil Rights Act was passed...58 years ago.

[JM2K6]

Nah, Reagan was particularly bad for it, in both words and deeds, even for the standards of American politicians at the time. Certainly by the standards of who came before and after him. He was pretty hardline on race. GWH Bush was hardly a poster boy for equal rights but even the guy who campaigned on the Willy Horton ad was a mile better than Reagan. And Reagan followed Carter, who was basically a civil rights hero. Carter followed Gerald Ford, who worked pretty hard to break down racial discrimination.

Plus plenty of segregationists actually became more understanding as they grew older, and apologised for what they'd said and done. Reagan was proud of it though.

It's a bit like the argument about one of my favourite horror writers, H.P. Lovecraft. Ole' HP was a massive racist. "So was everyone else back then!" they cry. Well, yes and no. There were more racists and more overt racism. But even by the standards of the day, Lovecraft was pretty fucking awful.

Or he was just more honest about it.

He was honestly more of a racist and by the standards of other people in his position he was fucking awful. Sorry.

[Fonz]

Civil war/strife incoming?
I'm sticking to my prediction of something along the lines of Spanish civil war.

Lots of people are saying this sort of thing nowadays, but I don't expect anything quite that spectacular. I think it's much more likely we slowly morph into an English-speaking Brazil with uglier women and shittier weather.

Keul as you say. You mean that it’ll be to dangerous stop at the red lights?

I’m not as optimistic as you are, it’s a lot of hate all over the places now.

It's kewl, for the record. And while I don't think it's truly dangerous not to, I can think of a fair few places where not stopping at red lights after dark probably passes a basic cost-benefit analysis.

I did an effortpoast on the bored a little while back on the subject, maybe I'll dig it up later.

[average joe]

Nah, Reagan was particularly bad for it, in both words and deeds, even for the standards of American politicians at the time. Certainly by the standards of who came before and after him. He was pretty hardline on race. GWH Bush was hardly a poster boy for equal rights but even the guy who campaigned on the Willy Horton ad was a mile better than Reagan. And Reagan followed Carter, who was basically a civil rights hero. Carter followed Gerald Ford, who worked pretty hard to break down racial discrimination.

Plus plenty of segregationists actually became more understanding as they grew older, and apologised for what they'd said and done. Reagan was proud of it though.

It's a bit like the argument about one of my favourite horror writers, H.P. Lovecraft. Ole' HP was a massive racist. "So was everyone else back then!" they cry. Well, yes and no. There were more racists and more overt racism. But even by the standards of the day, Lovecraft was pretty fucking awful.

Or he was just more honest about it.

He was honestly more of a racist and by the standards of other people in his position he was fucking awful. Sorry.

So what level of racism would be acceptable to you? I never thought one could apply a Dante's inferno type of understanding on racism. My understanding is you're either a racist or you're not.

[JM2K6]

Of course there's varying degrees of prejudice, kinda mad to think otherwise.