Another mass shooting in the US

[Rinkals]

https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7b33z/ ... ead-guilty

Bystander video of the shooting obtained by police shows McKinney in body armor shooting at the girls. Police also said he had two loaded magazines in his pants and another gun in his car, according to NBC.

The police reports from the December incident have no record of race or mention of Trump. In fact, there was no mention by cops of the rally whatsoever and they originally made the shooting seem like a traffic confrontation.

After putting out an updated report the next day, the cops half-heartedly acknowledged the rally by calling it a “gathering of people.”

[Raggs]

Not a mass shooting but...

Good guy with a gun shot by another good guy with a gun after shooting a bad guy with a gun who'd just shot a good guy with a gun....

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/06/26/us/a ... ssion=true

[Kawazaki]

Not a mass shooting but...

Good guy with a gun shot by another good guy with a gun after shooting a bad guy with a gun who'd just shot a good guy with a gun....

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/06/26/us/a ... ssion=true

Americans will of course answer that they need more guns to stop this sort of thing happening again.

[sockwithaticket]

It's the fundamental flaw in the good guy with a gun/bad guy with a gun narrative - do you really trust the police, let alone fellow members of the public who may be armed, to accurately identify who is who in an active shooter situation?

[FalseBayFC]

Not a mass shooting but...

Good guy with a gun shot by another good guy with a gun after shooting a bad guy with a gun who'd just shot a good guy with a gun....

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/06/26/us/a ... ssion=true

Americans will of course answer that they need more guns to stop this sort of thing happening again.

If you're from the UK then maybe you should explain why you can't stop selling guns and and other weapons to countries like Russia, Turkey, Libya, Saudi Arabia and many other violent states. Private UK companies have been selling assault rifles to Libya FFS.

These guns in the hands of criminal states have killed countless more people than die in the US.

Interesting article in today's Guardian. £17 billion is a good enough reason to continue I guess.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... ts-abusers

[Kawazaki]

Not a mass shooting but...

Good guy with a gun shot by another good guy with a gun after shooting a bad guy with a gun who'd just shot a good guy with a gun....

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/06/26/us/a ... ssion=true

Americans will of course answer that they need more guns to stop this sort of thing happening again.

If you're from the UK then maybe you should explain why you can't stop selling guns and and other weapons to countries like Russia, Turkey, Libya, Saudi Arabia and many other violent states. Private UK companies have been selling assault rifles to Libya FFS.

These guns in the hands of criminal states have killed countless more people than die in the US.

Interesting article in today's Guardian. £17 billion is a good enough reason to continue I guess.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... ts-abusers

Mr Strawman is back.

What a prick.

[tabascoboy]

If you're from the UK then maybe you should explain why you can't stop selling guns and and other weapons to countries like Russia, Turkey, Libya, Saudi Arabia and many other violent states. Private UK companies have been selling assault rifles to Libya FFS.

These guns in the hands of criminal states have killed countless more people than die in the US.

Interesting article in today's Guardian. £17 billion is a good enough reason to continue I guess.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... ts-abusers

It's a completely different issue and a false analogy to the one under discussion. Feel free to start a new topic for it though, I'm sure you'll get plenty of attention.

[FalseBayFC]

If you're from the UK then maybe you should explain why you can't stop selling guns and and other weapons to countries like Russia, Turkey, Libya, Saudi Arabia and many other violent states. Private UK companies have been selling assault rifles to Libya FFS.

These guns in the hands of criminal states have killed countless more people than die in the US.

Interesting article in today's Guardian. £17 billion is a good enough reason to continue I guess.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... ts-abusers

It's a completely different issue and a false analogy to the one under discussion. Feel free to start a new topic for it though, I'm sure you'll get plenty of attention.

I just can't fathom how UK posters can express such incredulity about selling guns when their own government allows it on an industrial scale. Their excuse if course would be that they are selling guns to the good guys. This was a response to Kawasaki who thinks stopping gun sales would be a good thing. I agree with him. I just think that idea could be widened.

[FalseBayFC]

If you're from the UK then maybe you should explain why you can't stop selling guns and and other weapons to countries like Russia, Turkey, Libya, Saudi Arabia and many other violent states. Private UK companies have been selling assault rifles to Libya FFS.

These guns in the hands of criminal states have killed countless more people than die in the US.

Interesting article in today's Guardian. £17 billion is a good enough reason to continue I guess.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... ts-abusers

It's a completely different issue and a false analogy to the one under discussion. Feel free to start a new topic for it though, I'm sure you'll get plenty of attention.

I just can't fathom how UK posters can express such incredulity about selling guns when their own government allows it on an industrial scale. Their excuse of course would be that they are selling guns to the good guys. This was a response to Kawasaki who thinks stopping gun sales would be a good thing. I agree with him. I just think that idea could be widened.

[sockwithaticket]

If you're from the UK then maybe you should explain why you can't stop selling guns and and other weapons to countries like Russia, Turkey, Libya, Saudi Arabia and many other violent states. Private UK companies have been selling assault rifles to Libya FFS.

These guns in the hands of criminal states have killed countless more people than die in the US.

Interesting article in today's Guardian. £17 billion is a good enough reason to continue I guess.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... ts-abusers

It's a completely different issue and a false analogy to the one under discussion. Feel free to start a new topic for it though, I'm sure you'll get plenty of attention.

I just can't fathom how UK posters can express such incredulity about selling guns when their own government allows it on an industrial scale. Their excuse if course would be that they are selling guns to the good guys. This was a response to Kawasaki who thinks stopping gun sales would be a good thing. I agree with him. I just think that idea could be widened.

Yeah there's no difference at all between selling to joe bloggs in the street and selling to governments...

Not that the latter is morally ok, I hasten to add, before you start in on some spurious rant as seems to be your M.O., but they are quite clearly entirely separate issues.

[tabascoboy]

If you're from the UK then maybe you should explain why you can't stop selling guns and and other weapons to countries like Russia, Turkey, Libya, Saudi Arabia and many other violent states. Private UK companies have been selling assault rifles to Libya FFS.

These guns in the hands of criminal states have killed countless more people than die in the US.

Interesting article in today's Guardian. £17 billion is a good enough reason to continue I guess.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... ts-abusers

It's a completely different issue and a false analogy to the one under discussion. Feel free to start a new topic for it though, I'm sure you'll get plenty of attention.

I just can't fathom how UK posters can express such incredulity about selling guns when their own government allows it on an industrial scale. Their excuse if course would be that they are selling guns to the good guys. This was a response to Kawasaki who thinks stopping gun sales would be a good thing. I agree with him. I just think that idea could be widened.

FWIW I'm strongly against the UK's policy on this. I'm glad we have a small part of the media drawing attention to it and protest/lobby groups trying to advocate change.
Do I have your permission to post on the actual topic under discussion now?

[FalseBayFC]

It's a completely different issue and a false analogy to the one under discussion. Feel free to start a new topic for it though, I'm sure you'll get plenty of attention.

I just can't fathom how UK posters can express such incredulity about selling guns when their own government allows it on an industrial scale. Their excuse if course would be that they are selling guns to the good guys. This was a response to Kawasaki who thinks stopping gun sales would be a good thing. I agree with him. I just think that idea could be widened.

Yeah there's no difference at all between selling to joe bloggs in the street and selling to governments...

Not that the latter is morally ok, I hasten to add, before you start in on some spurious rant as seems to be your M.O., but they are quite clearly entirely separate issues.

These are not just "governments". Russia for eg. is directly responsible for invading a sovereign country, conducting black ops assassinations on UK soil, bringing down civilian airliners. Turkey and Saudi are just as bad. Private companies in the UK are providing guns to these crims. If anything it's much worse than selling guns to Joe Blogs.

[inactionman]

Not a mass shooting but...

Good guy with a gun shot by another good guy with a gun after shooting a bad guy with a gun who'd just shot a good guy with a gun....

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/06/26/us/a ... ssion=true

Americans will of course answer that they need more guns to stop this sort of thing happening again.

If you're from the UK then maybe you should explain why you can't stop selling guns and and other weapons to countries like Russia, Turkey, Libya, Saudi Arabia and many other violent states. Private UK companies have been selling assault rifles to Libya FFS.

These guns in the hands of criminal states have killed countless more people than die in the US.

Interesting article in today's Guardian. £17 billion is a good enough reason to continue I guess.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... ts-abusers

The smartarse in me says there's not a great deal of mileage in selling arms to non-violent states.

[Tichtheid]

We’ve been here before

https://www.notplanetrugby.com/viewtopi ... 25#p101725

[Uncle fester]

https://www.rte.ie/news/newslens/2021/0 ... brick-gun/



Yes, that is a real gun.

[Rinkals]

https://www.rte.ie/news/newslens/2021/0 ... brick-gun/



Yes, that is a real gun.

Fucking hell!

Anyone with half a brain could see that that wasn't a very good idea.

But, instead of acknowledging that dressing up a firearm as a toy might make children want to play with it, they've doubled down by welcoming the publicity because it will generate more sales.

In a statement on its Instagram site, the company said it was "grateful for the attention that Block19 is currently getting across the globe".

If and when someone who buys the thing is shot by his children, one would be tempted to hail karma, but it'll probably affect the kid for its entire life.

[Uncle fester]

Looks like they only sold a limited number but they were probably looking for free advertising in the first place.

[Calculon]

https://www.rte.ie/news/newslens/2021/0 ... brick-gun/



Yes, that is a real gun.

A bit crazy yes, but the execution is brilliant. Really does look like it's made of lego.

[fishfoodie]

https://www.rte.ie/news/newslens/2021/0 ... brick-gun/



Yes, that is a real gun.

A bit crazy yes, but the execution is brilliant. Really does look like it's made of lego.

Lego agrees .... & that's why they're sueing the scumbags, & they've a very good chance of taking them to the cleaners.

[Niegs]

Is this the most American 'solution' to the problem? Can't change the gun laws, but can sue their asses and run them into the ground after the fact?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/sandy-hoo ... -1.6352480

[fishfoodie]

Is this the most American 'solution' to the problem? Can't change the gun laws, but can sue their asses and run them into the ground after the fact?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/sandy-hoo ... -1.6352480

Well, you know what they say: "Don't go to the Law for Justice, only money !"

[Enzedder]

Remington, one of the nation's oldest gun makers founded in 1816, filed for bankruptcy for a second time in 2020 and its assets were later sold off to several companies. The manufacturer was weighed down by lawsuits and retail sales restrictions following the school shooting.

Four insurers for the now-bankrupt company agreed to pay the full amount of coverage available, totaling $73 million, the plaintiffs said.

Man, between Supreme Court appeals and bankruptcy, they tried everything they could to stop the suits.

Hopefully that opens the gates for many more suits to come

[Blake]

Is this the most American 'solution' to the problem? Can't change the gun laws, but can sue their asses and run them into the ground after the fact?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/sandy-hoo ... -1.6352480

I think that's part of it and one angle that will be used.

Another is going to be when blue states start doing what red states are doing to restrict abortion and now using to censor certain books.
It's a stupid slippery slope that the GOP opened up, but if the Democrats and activists can't get the Supreme Court to rule it to be unconstitutional, they might as well exploit it to further their agenda.

Don't challenge the second amendment or try to impose restrictions on it.
Just make it possible for ANYBODY to sue any retailer or individual that selling guns in your state, or sue ANYBODY that travels out of state or assist a person in traveling out of state to purchase a gun.

It's absurd, but it's the only way to get the Supreme Court to rule on it. They can take the Texas Law and just cross out "abortion" and scribble in "firearm" and change the "before 8 weeks" to "after 8 week waiting period" and ram it through. Should be entertaining.

[Torquemada 1420]

"Guns are fun. Shooting is fun. 30 rounds full auto is fun," the company said on its website.

[fishfoodie]

"Guns are fun. Shooting is fun. 30 rounds full auto is fun," the company said on its website.

Hey, shooting recreationally is fun. But its possible to have 99% of that fun plinking cans with an air rifle, or 22 rimfire.

The US has an entire industry trying to convince you that to actually have fun, you need a browning 30 cal, & be allowed to hose down classrooms with it.

[Uncle fester]

Shooting on NY subway. 16 injured.

BBC News - Brooklyn shooting: Sixteen injured in New York City subway station
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61082792

[Kawazaki]

This is my default reaction to mass shootings in the USA since Sandy Hook.

If they don't give a shit then why should we?

[Enzedder]

This is my default reaction to mass shootings in the USA since Sandy Hook.

If they don't give a shit then why should we?

I'm with you for exactly the same reason. It's my "go to" in every argument with a gun toting Yank and I still haven't heard a decent reply to it.

[Guy Smiley]

Going to NY this week

Taxi not subway

Apparently the guy wore a gas mask, set off a smoke bomb inside a subway car then opened fire. WTF with that?

[PCPhil]

I see they id'd the lad. That's something and the security around NY will be top notch. Best time to go tbf

Remember. If the crims don’t get ya then the cops will.

[tabascoboy]

Buffalo shooting: Ten dead in suspected race attack at New York state store

An 18-year-old white man has shot dead 10 people in a black neighbourhood of New York state in what authorities are calling a racially motivated attack.

The man, named as Payton Gendron in court papers, was arrested after a stand-off at the scene - a supermarket in the city of Buffalo.

The suspect entered the store on Saturday afternoon before opening fire. He livestreamed the attack online.

US President Joe Biden condemned what he called an "abhorrent" act.

"We are investigating this incident as both a hate crime and a case of racially-motivated violent extremism," said Stephen Belongia, from the FBI's Buffalo office, adding there was evidence of "racial animosity."

CBS news reported that the attacker shouted racial slurs during the shooting and suggested that he had a racial slur written on his weapon. He also apparently posted a manifesto online which included racist language and ideas.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61452958

[Tilly Orifice]

Will he get some clemency for having to go through life with the name Payton Gendron?

[robmatic]

Will he get some clemency for having to go through life with the name Payton Gendron?

Sounds like a Game of Thrones character.

[average joe]

Almost sounds like a porn moniker

[Niegs]

The frustration of it all... he's not wrong, though. As others said, if nothing substantial was done after Sandy Hook, will things ever change?

[Kawazaki]

The frustration of it all... he's not wrong, though. As others said, if nothing substantial was done after Sandy Hook, will things ever change?

Second Tweet under that video...



More guns is the answer. More. You can't help these people, they're idiots.

[Marylandolorian]

The frustration of it all... he's not wrong, though. As others said, if nothing substantial was done after Sandy Hook, will things ever change?

https://twitter.com/MikeSington/status/

It’s to late, ban guns and a civil war/martial law might be the only outcome.

Just saw the post from Kawasaki above, the tweet from Eileen conly said it all, laws exist but nobody wants them because “ my freedom “

Look at the political spectrum, most of the republican’ new generation are closer to David Duke’s views than Ronald Reagan’s.

[Uncle fester]

The frustration of it all... he's not wrong, though. As others said, if nothing substantial was done after Sandy Hook, will things ever change?

https://twitter.com/MikeSington/status/

It’s to late, ban guns and a civil war/martial law might be the only outcome.
Just saw the post from Kawasaki above, the tweet from Eileen conly said it all , these laws exist but nobody wants them because “ my freedom “

Look at the political spectrum, most of the republican’ new generation are closer to David Duke’s views than Ronald Reagan.

Civil war/strife incoming?
I'm sticking to my prediction of something along the lines of Spanish civil war.

[Niegs]

The frustration of it all... he's not wrong, though. As others said, if nothing substantial was done after Sandy Hook, will things ever change?

Second Tweet under that video...



More guns is the answer. More. You can't help these people, they're idiots.

A report I read said the teen had body armour and a retired cop security guard couldn't stop him with at least one bullet making contact before being killed himself.

... so, of course, they'll say that this needs to happen to be sure.

[Hugo]

Look at the political spectrum, most of the republican’ new generation are closer to David Duke’s views than Ronald Reagan’s.

For the record Reagan was racist. Caught on tape calling Africans "monkeys" in a telephone conversation with Nixon. Opposed MLK getting a national holiday, opposed sanctions against South Africa, popularised the dog whistle "welfare queen" trope in the 70s, against affirmative action, opposed civil rights.

The worst type of racist infact, one that tries to hide it with spurious justifications.