Won't be back. Gibert is on.Hal Jordan wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:20 pmIs he off for an HIA, because if not the medics want shooting.
Some one should send a video of his decisions to Dickson and Adamson with the instruction that this is how it should be done.sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:20 pm He goes through the situation with greater clarity than many of the refs for whom English is a first language.
It was even worse because he is a FH.sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:28 pm Going to need to buy a couple of rounds to say sorry for that kick. Even if executed better it was unncessary.
Or not, given that butchery off the scrum down the blindside.
Which is fine if you are down to 14 (Paris) but is garbage by Racing.
Repeat
15 v 14 always brings the worst out in Fre sides.
Sale are a step below both these sides.
Are you guys kidding? The incident where Naivalu smashed his head into the head of Dupichot in a flying headbut knocking him clean out and all they talked about was if contact was with the shoulder and whether there was a wrap and then gave him a yellow card? That was one of the poorest pieces of refereeing I have seen in quite some time. That should have been an instant red card, no dicking around just get him off. I hope Naivalu is still eligible for a lengthy ban despite not being red carded because he could have irreparably damaged Dupichot with that ‘tackle’.Lobby wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:28 pmSome one should send a video of his decisions to Dickson and Adamson with the instruction that this is how it should be done.sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:20 pm He goes through the situation with greater clarity than many of the refs for whom English is a first language.
I was praising his clarity of communication and how he explains his process, not necessarily his outcomes (although those are generally correct). Some of the refs are really convoluted or contradict themselves and their final decision can be at odds with what they were saying (Dickson is especially bad for this).KingBlairhorn wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:12 pmAre you guys kidding? The incident where Naivalu smashed his head into the head of Dupichot in a flying headbut knocking him clean out and all they talked about was if contact was with the shoulder and whether there was a wrap and then gave him a yellow card? That was one of the poorest pieces of refereeing I have seen in quite some time. That should have been an instant red card, no dicking around just get him off. I hope Naivalu is still eligible for a lengthy ban despite not being red carded because he could have irreparably damaged Dupichot with that ‘tackle’.Lobby wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:28 pmSome one should send a video of his decisions to Dickson and Adamson with the instruction that this is how it should be done.sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:20 pm He goes through the situation with greater clarity than many of the refs for whom English is a first language.
I can’t agree with that at all. His communication cannot be praised where he does not communicate with his team about what actually happened. He may as well have talked about the weather for all the relevance his communication had to the event he was supposed to be adjudicating. If he had described the incident accurately and then explained his logic for reaching his (erroneous) decision then I could agree, but he did nothing of the sort. In a weekend in which there were many complaints once again about refereeing decisions, for me that was easily the biggest stinker of the lot, and much of it was down to terrible communication between that referee and his team.sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:57 pmI was praising his clarity of communication and how he explains his process, not necessarily his outcomes (although those are generally correct). Some of the refs are really convoluted or contradict themselves and their final decision can be at odds with what they were saying (Dickson is especially bad for this).KingBlairhorn wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:12 pmAre you guys kidding? The incident where Naivalu smashed his head into the head of Dupichot in a flying headbut knocking him clean out and all they talked about was if contact was with the shoulder and whether there was a wrap and then gave him a yellow card? That was one of the poorest pieces of refereeing I have seen in quite some time. That should have been an instant red card, no dicking around just get him off. I hope Naivalu is still eligible for a lengthy ban despite not being red carded because he could have irreparably damaged Dupichot with that ‘tackle’.Lobby wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:28 pm
Some one should send a video of his decisions to Dickson and Adamson with the instruction that this is how it should be done.
That one should have been a red imo, but, this season in particular, I've seen a lot of yellows for offences I would have considered nailed on reds, so *gallic shrug*
Don't understand how pro players can still do this. This is proefsional foul level, entitling the club to terminate your employment.
A couple of thingsKingBlairhorn wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:12 pmAre you guys kidding? The incident where Naivalu smashed his head into the head of Dupichot in a flying headbut knocking him clean out and all they talked about was if contact was with the shoulder and whether there was a wrap and then gave him a yellow card? That was one of the poorest pieces of refereeing I have seen in quite some time. That should have been an instant red card, no dicking around just get him off. I hope Naivalu is still eligible for a lengthy ban despite not being red carded because he could have irreparably damaged Dupichot with that ‘tackle’.Lobby wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:28 pmSome one should send a video of his decisions to Dickson and Adamson with the instruction that this is how it should be done.sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:20 pm He goes through the situation with greater clarity than many of the refs for whom English is a first language.
It's exceptionally straightforward if the protocol is used:Torquemada 1420 wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:27 amA couple of thingsKingBlairhorn wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:12 pmAre you guys kidding? The incident where Naivalu smashed his head into the head of Dupichot in a flying headbut knocking him clean out and all they talked about was if contact was with the shoulder and whether there was a wrap and then gave him a yellow card? That was one of the poorest pieces of refereeing I have seen in quite some time. That should have been an instant red card, no dicking around just get him off. I hope Naivalu is still eligible for a lengthy ban despite not being red carded because he could have irreparably damaged Dupichot with that ‘tackle’.Lobby wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:28 pm
Some one should send a video of his decisions to Dickson and Adamson with the instruction that this is how it should be done.
- a lot of commentary on the game that it should not have been a card at all. I disagree, but shows it was not as b/w as you think.
- errr...... he was sent off. Albeit as a 2nd yellow.
We may be arguing the same point. It was red for me but I see where you are coming from i.e. if Naivalu had not been yellowed, would the ref have given red?KingBlairhorn wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 12:46 pmIt's exceptionally straightforward if the protocol is used:Torquemada 1420 wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:27 amA couple of thingsKingBlairhorn wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:12 pm
Are you guys kidding? The incident where Naivalu smashed his head into the head of Dupichot in a flying headbut knocking him clean out and all they talked about was if contact was with the shoulder and whether there was a wrap and then gave him a yellow card? That was one of the poorest pieces of refereeing I have seen in quite some time. That should have been an instant red card, no dicking around just get him off. I hope Naivalu is still eligible for a lengthy ban despite not being red carded because he could have irreparably damaged Dupichot with that ‘tackle’.
- a lot of commentary on the game that it should not have been a card at all. I disagree, but shows it was not as b/w as you think.
- errr...... he was sent off. Albeit as a 2nd yellow.
Was there head contact? Yes
Was there foul play (i.e. was a player at fault)? Yes
What was the degree of danger? High
Result: Red Card.
There is no other conclusion that can possibly be reached unless a) you think it wasn't Naivalu's fault or you think the degree of danger was low (despite the clear KO). That the commentators don't know the laws nor the protocol is poor but not a reason to think it wasn't a red.
My whole issue with the decision is that he gave a yellow - that it was the second yellow and led to a red is also irrelevent. Presumably the ref felt that had it been his first offence a sin bin was an appropriate sanction.
KingBlairhorn wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 12:46 pm
It's exceptionally straightforward if the protocol is used:
Was there head contact? Yes
Was there foul play (i.e. was a player at fault)? Yes
What was the degree of danger? High
Result: Red Card.
There is no other conclusion that can possibly be reached unless a) you think it wasn't Naivalu's fault or you think the degree of danger was low (despite the clear KO). That the commentators don't know the laws nor the protocol is poor but not a reason to think it wasn't a red.
My whole issue with the decision is that he gave a yellow - that it was the second yellow and led to a red is also irrelevent. Presumably the ref felt that had it been his first offence a sin bin was an appropriate sanction.
