Another mass shooting in the US

[Lobby]

They should release the crime scene photos. Those poor kids can't be identified by sight because of what an AR15 does to someone. Release the pictures, even the nutjobs can't see something like that and stay the course of the guns aren't the problem.

The gun lobby would just claim the images had been faked, like they tried to claim Sandyhook had been faked.

[assfly]

Absolute insanity.

[Rinkals]

Feelings expressed best with this gif from the previous page, because we know there will be no concrete steps taken to reduce the insanity.

Exactly.

Beto O'Rouke is running for Governor of Texas in November, but he has fuckall chance because he wants to legislate against guns.

[PCPhil]

Clicked on a few USA news sites ti gauge the mood. Tried the Denver Post for a kind of middle America, non real partisan feel. In the comments section after the main lead on the shooting a whole bunch of replies were stating how suspicious it was that these shootings are near an election time and would it be just like the lefties to do this on purpose.

They’re basically fvckd.

[Blackmac]

I wondered how many mass shootings there had been in the US this year, I knew it was a high number, but I was amazed that this is the 49th, not this year but this month, and we've still got another week to go

Just watch them raise the definition of "mass"

[inactionman]

Biden needs to come in & announce a plan to take the GOP template for allowing individual citizens to sue abortion providers, & make it a Federal law to allow individuals to sue gun brokers, makers, licensees (i.e. States), for punitive damages, if they supply, or authorize a gun in a mass shooting.

There are 15 bereaved families today, that should be able to sue the, Great State Of Texas for a billion dollars each, & for whatever bunch of death merchants put the gun in his hands,

I was thinking along similar lines - acting at Federal level would go some way in restraining organisations from practices such as claiming bankruptcy and reforming elsewhere to avoid liability or moving corporate HQs to avoid state-mandated gun control measures.

It would also change the cost-benefit calculation for senators who seem far too beholden to the gun lobby.

[sockwithaticket]

I wondered how many mass shootings there had been in the US this year, I knew it was a high number, but I was amazed that this is the 49th, not this year but this month, and we've still got another week to go

This is the 27th school shooting of the year. Not all of those will have been mass incidents, but even still. I don't know how parents send their kids out the door in the morning knowing there's a non-negligible chance they could be shot in a place of learning.

I know a lot of people are numb to it, but America's relationship with guns and the violence that stems from it continues to floor me.

[Raggs]

All the people sending prayers are aware that those prayers are supposedly going to the god that just allowed this to happen right?

[inactionman]

All the people sending prayers are aware that those prayers are supposedly going to the god that just allowed this to happen right?

Not praying hard enough, clearly.

[Raggs]

All the people sending prayers are aware that those prayers are supposedly going to the god that just allowed this to happen right?

Not praying hard enough, clearly.

I'm thinking they should have been praying before it, so that he'd listen and not let it happen, rather than after to make sure he looks after the little kids he's just had brutally murdered.

[inactionman]

All the people sending prayers are aware that those prayers are supposedly going to the god that just allowed this to happen right?

Not praying hard enough, clearly.

I'm thinking they should have been praying before it, so that he'd listen and not let it happen, rather than after to make sure he looks after the little kids he's just had brutally murdered.

Good point.

Perhaps parents of schoolkids could ask those lovely republican senators to start praying now for an unforeseen upcoming massacre to be avoided. Does God respond to non-specific prayers?

[Raggs]

Not praying hard enough, clearly.

I'm thinking they should have been praying before it, so that he'd listen and not let it happen, rather than after to make sure he looks after the little kids he's just had brutally murdered.

Good point.

Perhaps parents of schoolkids could ask those lovely republican senators to start praying now for an unforeseen upcoming massacre to be avoided. Does God respond to non-specific prayers?

Does he respond to specific ones?

[weegie01]

I'm thinking they should have been praying before it, so that he'd listen and not let it happen, rather than after to make sure he looks after the little kids he's just had brutally murdered.

Good point.

Perhaps parents of schoolkids could ask those lovely republican senators to start praying now for an unforeseen upcoming massacre to be avoided. Does God respond to non-specific prayers?

Does he respond to specific ones?

[inactionman]

I'm thinking they should have been praying before it, so that he'd listen and not let it happen, rather than after to make sure he looks after the little kids he's just had brutally murdered.

Good point.

Perhaps parents of schoolkids could ask those lovely republican senators to start praying now for an unforeseen upcoming massacre to be avoided. Does God respond to non-specific prayers?

Does he respond to specific ones?

If you're referring to requests for a night with Scarlett Johansen, not yet.

[Sinkers]

I saw somewhere that the US Army’s new/replacement standard war-fighting rifle with it’s longer reach and bigger punch is already available in the stores in its “civilian” format.

Mental!!

[I like neeps]

They should release the crime scene photos. Those poor kids can't be identified by sight because of what an AR15 does to someone. Release the pictures, even the nutjobs can't see something like that and stay the course of the guns aren't the problem.

The gun lobby would just claim the images had been faked, like they tried to claim Sandyhook had been faked.

The fringe ones. But most senators and voters aren't the it's a conspiracy fringe.

The US is past statistics, it's passed common sense, it's used to X number of people died, it's even used to schools being shot up. Time to show what a school shooting looks like and if those pro gun can look at what an AR15 does to a child and sleep at night they're totally past humanity. I don't think they will though. I think people seeing the images is the only way to introduce legislation.

[Uncle fester]

Radio silence from the "real" potus?

[Dinsdale Piranha]

I saw somewhere that the US Army’s new/replacement standard war-fighting rifle with it’s longer reach and bigger punch is already available in the stores in its “civilian” format.

Mental!!

Apart from fully automatic rifles, there's plenty of 'better than military' weaponry available on the open market.

[Kawazaki]

The NRA have a big convention in Houston starting on Friday with all of their big political stooges scheduled to talk.

I wonder if they'll all show up?

[Kiwias]

The NRA have a big convention in Houston starting on Friday with all of their big political stooges scheduled to talk.

I wonder if they'll all show up?

Of course they will. They have no conscience and no shame.

[Torquemada 1420]

Bat shit crazy country:

guns have overtaken car crashes as the leading cause of death for children and teenagers

Young school children routinely rehearse what to do if a gunman enters their classroom.

[petej]

Bat shit crazy country:

guns have overtaken car crashes as the leading cause of death for children and teenagers

Young school children routinely rehearse what to do if a gunman enters their classroom.

Are young children told to think and pray? At which point if they get shot logic would imply that God has clearly decided they deserved to die.

[Biffer]

The USA is now at the poi t where their children ha e to practice being hunted at school.

[Niegs]

We do active shooter drills in Canada too (have had a few roving killer incidents in the past decade, five in the last 20 years). There are enough hunting rifles about, the odd semi auto gun ... Dawson College shooter from 15 years ago had this legally registered gun:




No one needs that, but I come from a fairly rednecky family /region that would say it's a hobby, most people are responsible, yadda yadda, Liberal gov't wants to take our guns away so will never vote for them BS.

But a certain portion of our population have a copycat obsession with our neighbours, so better to be prepared for the hardly-likely. The drill I participated in was nerve-wracking as I kept thinking "What if..."

[inactionman]

I saw somewhere that the US Army’s new/replacement standard war-fighting rifle with it’s longer reach and bigger punch is already available in the stores in its “civilian” format.

Mental!!

They've needed to up-gun as the standard NATO rounds can't reliably penetrate body armour - including the larger 7.62.

To which I can only infer someone on the civilian sales side thought that obviously American citizens need guns that can penetrate military body armour. Or the walls of houses, if we fancy endangering everyone in any meaningful vicinity.

[tabascoboy]

Well you know, if the criminal drug-addled scum are coming at you with a Glock 19 best make sure all civvies have an AR-15 on standby

[Sinkers]

I see that some republican goon has amplified some4chan bollox that the shooter was a transsexual illegal alien.

Totally mental!!

[Hal Jordan]

Well you know, if the criminal drug-addled scum are coming at you with a Glock 19 best make sure all civvies have an AR-15 on standby

A good guy with an M2 Browning will stop a bad guy with an AR-15.

[Blackmac]

It's incredible that these lunatics are quite happy to have their schools looking like heavily fortified military bases rather than do anything about the situation.

[sockwithaticket]

They should release the crime scene photos. Those poor kids can't be identified by sight because of what an AR15 does to someone. Release the pictures, even the nutjobs can't see something like that and stay the course of the guns aren't the problem.

The gun lobby would just claim the images had been faked, like they tried to claim Sandyhook had been faked.

The fringe ones. But most senators and voters aren't the it's a conspiracy fringe.

The US is past statistics, it's passed common sense, it's used to X number of people died, it's even used to schools being shot up. Time to show what a school shooting looks like and if those pro gun can look at what an AR15 does to a child and sleep at night they're totally past humanity. I don't think they will though. I think people seeing the images is the only way to introduce legislation.

I think that's rather naive tbh.

[Guy Smiley]

It's incredible that these lunatics are quite happy to have their schools looking like heavily fortified military bases rather than do anything about the situation.

They have done something. They've fortified the schools.

Very broad stroke thinking here but the nation that shows a group mentality to Escalate... send more boys to Vietnam, send more guns to Afghanistan, send more of everything to Iraq hasn't made the connection between that and failing.

They're fucked. The mentality of the place isn't to not back down, it is to go harder.

[JM2K6]

The gun lobby would just claim the images had been faked, like they tried to claim Sandyhook had been faked.

The fringe ones. But most senators and voters aren't the it's a conspiracy fringe.

The US is past statistics, it's passed common sense, it's used to X number of people died, it's even used to schools being shot up. Time to show what a school shooting looks like and if those pro gun can look at what an AR15 does to a child and sleep at night they're totally past humanity. I don't think they will though. I think people seeing the images is the only way to introduce legislation.

I think that's rather naive tbh.

Showing it also increases the chance of copycats etc - it's counterproductive. But here's the thing: a slim majority of Americans want greater gun control. A large majority of Americans want access to abortion. The cunts in charge do not represent the people and have worked out that they don't actually need to do anything except keep raking in the money and power by kowtowing to the right groups.

[I like neeps]

The gun lobby would just claim the images had been faked, like they tried to claim Sandyhook had been faked.

The fringe ones. But most senators and voters aren't the it's a conspiracy fringe.

The US is past statistics, it's passed common sense, it's used to X number of people died, it's even used to schools being shot up. Time to show what a school shooting looks like and if those pro gun can look at what an AR15 does to a child and sleep at night they're totally past humanity. I don't think they will though. I think people seeing the images is the only way to introduce legislation.

I think that's rather naive tbh.

It's naive to show the same statistics and have the same quips and same arguments after every shooting and expect change as well. Nobody is convinced by things they've already heard. They might be convinced by seeing something they have never seen. Statistics aren't emotive, pictures are.

Not saying it'll work - but change isn't coming from logic.

[sockwithaticket]

The fringe ones. But most senators and voters aren't the it's a conspiracy fringe.

The US is past statistics, it's passed common sense, it's used to X number of people died, it's even used to schools being shot up. Time to show what a school shooting looks like and if those pro gun can look at what an AR15 does to a child and sleep at night they're totally past humanity. I don't think they will though. I think people seeing the images is the only way to introduce legislation.

I think that's rather naive tbh.

It's naive to show the same statistics and have the same quips and same arguments after every shooting and expect change as well. Nobody is convinced by things they've already heard. They might be convinced by seeing something they have never seen. Statistics aren't emotive, pictures are.

Not saying it'll work - but change isn't coming from logic.

Obviously current arguments don't work on the nutters, but I think you'll find the fervence of those in favour of unfettered gun access matches that of the MAGA cultists (the Venn diagram for the two is probably close to a perfect circle). Zealots can ignore a lot. Those with the emotional capacity to be shaken by gruesome imagery probably aren't on their side to begin with.

[I like neeps]

I think that's rather naive tbh.

It's naive to show the same statistics and have the same quips and same arguments after every shooting and expect change as well. Nobody is convinced by things they've already heard. They might be convinced by seeing something they have never seen. Statistics aren't emotive, pictures are.

Not saying it'll work - but change isn't coming from logic.

Obviously current arguments don't work on the nutters, but I think you'll find the fervence of those in favour of unfettered gun access matches that of the MAGA cultists (the Venn diagram for the two is probably close to a perfect circle). Zealots can ignore a lot. Those with the emotional capacity to be shaken by gruesome imagery probably aren't on their side to begin with.

I think the problem is as much the Republican senators/governers etc in the pocket of the NRA as it is MAGA cultists. Majority of Americans actually support legislation on background checks etc. I don't think elected officials will be able to look at the damage these guns are doing to kids and continue to obstruct bills.

[Hugo]

I saw somewhere that the US Army’s new/replacement standard war-fighting rifle with it’s longer reach and bigger punch is already available in the stores in its “civilian” format.

Mental!!

It feels like the gun lobby is an appendage to the military industrial complex.

[Kawazaki]

It's naive to show the same statistics and have the same quips and same arguments after every shooting and expect change as well. Nobody is convinced by things they've already heard. They might be convinced by seeing something they have never seen. Statistics aren't emotive, pictures are.

Not saying it'll work - but change isn't coming from logic.

I don't think anyone from any side is expecting change.

Let's face it, if Sandy Hook did nothing then nothing will. And guess what, in 2012 when Sandy Hook happened there were 310 million guns in civilian circulation in the USA. In 2022, there are 393 million guns in civilian circulation in the USA, an increase of 27%.

[sockwithaticket]

It's naive to show the same statistics and have the same quips and same arguments after every shooting and expect change as well. Nobody is convinced by things they've already heard. They might be convinced by seeing something they have never seen. Statistics aren't emotive, pictures are.

Not saying it'll work - but change isn't coming from logic.

Obviously current arguments don't work on the nutters, but I think you'll find the fervence of those in favour of unfettered gun access matches that of the MAGA cultists (the Venn diagram for the two is probably close to a perfect circle). Zealots can ignore a lot. Those with the emotional capacity to be shaken by gruesome imagery probably aren't on their side to begin with.

I think the problem is as much the Republican senators/governers etc in the pocket of the NRA as it is MAGA cultists. Majority of Americans actually support legislation on background checks etc. I don't think elected officials will be able to look at the damage these guns are doing to kids and continue to obstruct bills.

Appealing to the better nature of Republican senators is even more unlikely I suspect.

Background checks is a baby step around which many of the public can congregate the more significant changes that might actually put a dent in the slaughter are far more likely to see drops in support from those on the right , perhaps even the libertarian leaning left:
- price hikes on ammunition
- limiting magazine capacity
- limiting the amount of ammunition someone can purchase/be in possession of at one time (putting in a nationwide database for that sort of thing is possible, but not probably I guess)
- prohibit the availability of certain weapons. No one needs a 50 slug drum mag semi-auto shotgun.
- mandatory training courses for gun purchasers
- mandatory re-licensing of gun owners every 12 months
- ban unscrutinsed private sales, only licensed vendors should be selling

The even tougher part is having uniform legislation across all states. As 2A activists are keen to point out, Chicago is subject to very strict gun controls (by current standards), yet has a massive problem. That's due to the laxity of neighbouring states.

[Slick]

The reality is there is absolutely nothing they can do now. It has gone too far.

The best we can do is to make sure the utter mentalness doesn’t break out of America, ensure that we never go down that route. They are fucked and frankly, fuck them

[ia801310]

How many more children need to die before US politicians do something. The UK is not perfect but they reacted when Dunblane and Hungerford happened and the UK was made a safer place.

The lax gun laws and lack of NHS are the 2 main reasons I would never want to live in the US.