God bless you M’am

[SaintK]

Interesting from the official guidance at GOV.UK. There's really no obligation to go all out on cancelling events

MAJOR EVENTS, ENTERTAINMENT & SPORTS
There is no obligation to cancel or postpone events and sporting fixtures, or close entertainment venues during the National Mourning period. This is at the discretion of individual organisations.

As a mark of respect, organisations might wish to consider cancelling or postponing events or closing venues on the day of the State Funeral. They are under no obligation to do so and this is entirely at the
discretion of individual organisations.

If sporting fixtures or events are planned for the day of the State Funeral, organisations may want to adjust the event timings so they do not clash with the timings of the funeral service and associated processions.
As a mark of respect, and in keeping with the tone of National Mourning, organisers may wish to hold a period of silence and/or play the National Anthem at the start of events or sporting fixtures, and players
may wish to wear black armbands.

Not what Julian Knight is saying in interviews this morning!! Confusion reigns!

Julian Knight, chair of the DCMS, has told @talkSPORT
Government advice is that no sporting events should take place this weekend or on the day of Her Majesty's funeral. Confirms final decision is up to individual sporting bodies.

All football off tomorrow!
Nothing from RFU as yet

And now from Downing St

Downing Street has confirmed there is no obligation to postpone events or sporting fixtures during the mourning period for the Queen’s death.
The PM’s official spokesperson said:
There is no requirement, or obligation, to cancel or postpone events or sporting fixtures, or close entertainment venues, during this period. It’s at the discretion of individual organisations.
They may wish to consider cancelling or postponing, particularly on the day of the state funeral, but they are under no obligation to do so.

[tabascoboy]

Interesting from the official guidance at GOV.UK. There's really no obligation to go all out on cancelling events

MAJOR EVENTS, ENTERTAINMENT & SPORTS
There is no obligation to cancel or postpone events and sporting fixtures, or close entertainment venues during the National Mourning period. This is at the discretion of individual organisations.

As a mark of respect, organisations might wish to consider cancelling or postponing events or closing venues on the day of the State Funeral. They are under no obligation to do so and this is entirely at the
discretion of individual organisations.

If sporting fixtures or events are planned for the day of the State Funeral, organisations may want to adjust the event timings so they do not clash with the timings of the funeral service and associated processions.
As a mark of respect, and in keeping with the tone of National Mourning, organisers may wish to hold a period of silence and/or play the National Anthem at the start of events or sporting fixtures, and players
may wish to wear black armbands.

Not what Julian Knight is saying in interviews this morning!! Confusion reigns!

Julian Knight, chair of the DCMS, has told @talkSPORT
Government advice is that no sporting events should take place this weekend or on the day of Her Majesty's funeral. Confirms final decision is up to individual sporting bodies.

All football off tomorrow!
Nothing from RFU as yet

And now from Downing St

Downing Street has confirmed there is no obligation to postpone events or sporting fixtures during the mourning period for the Queen’s death.
The PM’s official spokesperson said:
There is no requirement, or obligation, to cancel or postpone events or sporting fixtures, or close entertainment venues, during this period. It’s at the discretion of individual organisations.
They may wish to consider cancelling or postponing, particularly on the day of the state funeral, but they are under no obligation to do so.

Can't really see the point of it TBH, not sure how playing or watching sport etc is not "respectful". Have a minute or two's silence and allow players and officials to wear black armbands. I suppose there could be a concern about booing of the national anthem though.

People are still going to be going about with their daily lives working or out and about shopping, going to movies etc, just allow discretion and people can make their own personal choice about what to do or not to do.

[Calculon]

Oh Jesus we are going to have weeks of Royal Watchers with ages like Darcy Frogmarch of the Daily Mail sitting there with huge hair and massive pearl necklaces telling us how stoic and magnificent she was. From this thread it looks like Saffers and birds have a lot to answer for

The Saffas on here are hardly representative. Her death is a non-event in South Africa. The couple of opinion pieces I saw in the papers were both negative.

[I like neeps]

Interesting from the official guidance at GOV.UK. There's really no obligation to go all out on cancelling events

Not what Julian Knight is saying in interviews this morning!! Confusion reigns!

Julian Knight, chair of the DCMS, has told @talkSPORT
Government advice is that no sporting events should take place this weekend or on the day of Her Majesty's funeral. Confirms final decision is up to individual sporting bodies.

All football off tomorrow!
Nothing from RFU as yet

And now from Downing St

Downing Street has confirmed there is no obligation to postpone events or sporting fixtures during the mourning period for the Queen’s death.
The PM’s official spokesperson said:
There is no requirement, or obligation, to cancel or postpone events or sporting fixtures, or close entertainment venues, during this period. It’s at the discretion of individual organisations.
They may wish to consider cancelling or postponing, particularly on the day of the state funeral, but they are under no obligation to do so.

Can't really see the point of it TBH, not sure how playing or watching sport etc is not "respectful". Have a minute or two's silence and allow players and officials to wear black armbands. I suppose there could be a concern about booing of the national anthem though.

People are still going to be going about with their daily lives working or out and about shopping, going to movies etc, just allow discretion and people can make their own personal choice about what to do or not to do.

Football is the biggest virtue signalling sport going. They love a bit of performative grief. Not surprised it's cancelled.

And next week will be cancelled as they won't have the police available what a mess they've got themselves into.

[Blackmac]

Absolute chaos in Edinburgh. My mate is a tour guide and everything has been cancelled. A lot of guests in hotels and guest houses on and around the Royal Mile getting kicked out and moved to other hotels and even Glasgow. Seems totally OTT, but I had seen some of the Op Unicorn plans previously and always thought them a ridiculous overreaction.

[Lobby]

sorry for your loss

Touch of class from France turning the lights off on the Eiffel Tower.

It’s fascinating how despite being a Republican nation the French just get the idea of a monarchy better than anyone else outside the Commonwealth. I suppose the Fifth Republic is something of an elected monarchy.

As mentioned by others, the tributes are quite something and pretty much everyone who has met her seems to have admired her. Corbyn’s tribute was lovely

The Tribute from the Elysee Palace is one of the most heartfelt and best expressed I have seen

[assfly]

The Saffas on here are hardly representative. Her death is a non-event in South Africa. The couple of opinion pieces I saw in the papers were both negative.

There was a lot of discussion on 702 this morning. Less about her actual death, as you say this means very little if anything to your average South African, and more about the legacy of the monarchy, colonialism, etc. I suspect that will be the case across Commonwealth Africa.

[Hal Jordan]

I see the strikes have been called off. That's Her Majesty, always serving the country in times of need.

[GogLais]

So do us Welsh not have a Prince any more? What are we to do?

[Lobby]

So do us Welsh not have a Prince any more? What are we to do?

It’s likely that Charles will bestow the title of Prince of Wales on William, so you’ll have one again soon.

[Calculon]

The Saffas on here are hardly representative. Her death is a non-event in South Africa. The couple of opinion pieces I saw in the papers were both negative.

There was a lot of discussion on 702 this morning. Less about her actual death, as you say this means very little if anything to your average South African, and more about the legacy of the monarchy, colonialism, etc. I suspect that will be the case across Commonwealth Africa.

Apart from those with direct experience of living abroad most saffas are ignorant of things that happen outside of Southern African. I suspect the thinking for most would not go much beyond British queen= coloniasm=bad

[Jock42]

Very fine tribute

[Punter15]

I was born in 1956, the Queen has been a fixture my entire life. I am quite surprised at how her death has affected me. It will be odd having someone else in the role. Personally I think she was a tad too conservative. She did not make many mistakes largely because she took no chances. But them can you blame her for that given the uproar that would ensue.

My position is that if we are going to have a ceremonial head of state, we may as well stick with the ones we have. I think Charles will be a good king. He has already indicated he will slim down the monarchy, and there will be other changes. Some will be popular, others not. I suspect he will make more mistakes than his mother simply because he will change things more.

The King gets a lot of flack, but he has probably done more direct good for more people than any royal in history. The Prince's Trust is the most successful charity of its kind in the UK and has now gone international. Through it nearly a million young people have been helped. That alone is an achievement to proud of, but there are other, smaller and less well known initiatives to which Charles has lent his weight and position to ensure success.

He is not perfect, but the focus seems to be always on his failings rather than his successes. He could have spent his life in idleness and luxury, but at least he has used his position for good.

I'm 4 years older and was born the year she became queen. Agree whole heartedly with your sentiments.

Completely agree. He gets bad press largely because he married a mental rather than the love of his life, but has been a force for progress and good.
Also didn’t even flinch when the shots rang out in Aus. He’s made of stern stuff.

[inactionman]

Absolute chaos in Edinburgh. My mate is a tour guide and everything has been cancelled. A lot of guests in hotels and guest houses on and around the Royal Mile getting kicked out and moved to other hotels and even Glasgow. Seems totally OTT, but I had seen some of the Op Unicorn plans previously and always thought them a ridiculous overreaction.

I can appreciate it's a living nightmare to administrate at the proverbial drop of a hat, even if plans are laid well in advance, but evicting hotel guests is pretty rotten.

We were debating whether to take the kids by Holyrood to lay some flowers, don't really want to be one of the wailing horde but I think it's important for the kids to acknowledge something significant has occurred.

[troglodiet]

Apart from those with direct experience of living abroad most saffas are ignorant of things that happen outside of Southern African. I suspect the thinking for most would not go much beyond British queen= colonialism=bad

I was thinking the same, and therefore rather surprised when I read on News24 how Nelson Mandela described himself as an Anglophile.

He was on a first name basis with Elizabeth, something which apparently isn't very common.




PS. Did I move up one position in the Line of Succession to the British throne?

[Paddington Bear]

Apart from those with direct experience of living abroad most saffas are ignorant of things that happen outside of Southern African. I suspect the thinking for most would not go much beyond British queen= colonialism=bad

I was thinking the same, and therefore rather surprised when I read on News24 how Nelson Mandela described himself as an Anglophile.

He was on a first name basis with Elizabeth, something which apparently isn't very common.




PS. Did I move up one position in the Line of Succession to the British throne?

A lot of the post-colonial leaders were, to a greater or lesser extent. Nehru probably top of the list but the likes of Nkrumah and Mugabe in their own ways too. I think this has been discussed before, maybe on the old bored, but discussing the legacy of Empire in a lot of ex-colonies is often interesting for both the intellectual rigour and the nuance in the discussion.

[Brazil]

Apart from those with direct experience of living abroad most saffas are ignorant of things that happen outside of Southern African. I suspect the thinking for most would not go much beyond British queen= colonialism=bad

I was thinking the same, and therefore rather surprised when I read on News24 how Nelson Mandela described himself as an Anglophile.

He was on a first name basis with Elizabeth, something which apparently isn't very common.




PS. Did I move up one position in the Line of Succession to the British throne?

A lot of the post-colonial leaders were, to a greater or lesser extent. Nehru probably top of the list but the likes of Nkrumah and Mugabe in their own ways too. I think this has been discussed before, maybe on the old bored, but discussing the legacy of Empire in a lot of ex-colonies is often interesting for both the intellectual rigour and the nuance in the discussion.

Well, he did have a direct line to the family...

[Paddington Bear]

I was thinking the same, and therefore rather surprised when I read on News24 how Nelson Mandela described himself as an Anglophile.

He was on a first name basis with Elizabeth, something which apparently isn't very common.




PS. Did I move up one position in the Line of Succession to the British throne?

A lot of the post-colonial leaders were, to a greater or lesser extent. Nehru probably top of the list but the likes of Nkrumah and Mugabe in their own ways too. I think this has been discussed before, maybe on the old bored, but discussing the legacy of Empire in a lot of ex-colonies is often interesting for both the intellectual rigour and the nuance in the discussion.

Well, he did have a direct line to the family...

[westport]

Met him after he handed out our Afghan medals. In a military environment where there's often arrogance in senior ranks he struck me as very down to earth and genuine.

First met him in '78 when he took our passing out parade at Pirbright and then met him again about 15 years ago and both times he was down to earth

[Insane_Homer]

OKAY, not creepy or weird.

[Marylandolorian]

Which is the best network in the UK to follow the events?

[SaintK]

Which is the best network in the UK to follow the events?

The BBC are usually good at this sort of thing.

[Marylandolorian]

Which is the best network in the UK to follow the events?

The BBC are usually good at this sort of thing.

Thanks, don’t want to listen CNN or NBC

[Slick]

Apart from those with direct experience of living abroad most saffas are ignorant of things that happen outside of Southern African. I suspect the thinking for most would not go much beyond British queen= colonialism=bad

I was thinking the same, and therefore rather surprised when I read on News24 how Nelson Mandela described himself as an Anglophile.

He was on a first name basis with Elizabeth, something which apparently isn't very common.




PS. Did I move up one position in the Line of Succession to the British throne?

The European anti apartheid movement started in Glasgow which is why Mandela came to Glasgow after his release to receive the Freedom of the City from several European cities at once

[Biffer]

This ^^^


(Except I'm probably a bit more of a Royalist),.




Is Charles definitely going to become King? Or will common sense prevail and William be the new KoE?


How long will the Poms keep screwing up the national anthem at sporting events by singing GSTQ instead of GSTK?

It's funny to think - everyone in my family who would have sung GSTK is dead, most have been for quite some time. Will take some getting used to.

To be followed by all sorts of loons claiming money won't be valid with the Queen's head on it etc. I remember being a kid in the seventies and there will still coins with George VI on them in circulation.

As predicted, the Royal Mail had to confirm today that stamps with her head on are still valid. People are fucking idiots.

[Uncle fester]

Not what Julian Knight is saying in interviews this morning!! Confusion reigns!

All football off tomorrow!
Nothing from RFU as yet

And now from Downing St

Can't really see the point of it TBH, not sure how playing or watching sport etc is not "respectful". Have a minute or two's silence and allow players and officials to wear black armbands. I suppose there could be a concern about booing of the national anthem though.

People are still going to be going about with their daily lives working or out and about shopping, going to movies etc, just allow discretion and people can make their own personal choice about what to do or not to do.

Football is the biggest virtue signalling sport going. They love a bit of performative grief. Not surprised it's cancelled.

And next week will be cancelled as they won't have the police available what a mess they've got themselves into.

No stopping Derry city albeit they play in the league of Ireland.

[sefton]

Which is the best network in the UK to follow the events?

The BBC are usually good at this sort of thing.

Thanks, don’t want to listen CNN or NBC

It’s going to be Netflix and Prime for at least 14 days for me.

[OomStruisbaai]

The Queen wasn't a popular figure in my household as a kid.

However it's sad time for England RIP Mamma.

[Insane_Homer]

In honour of HM passing I've decided to cancel payment of my energy and water bills. Normal service will resume after my grieving has concluded. I fear it may to up to 6 months.

[tabascoboy]

In honour of HM passing I've decided to cancel payment of my energy and water bills. Normal service will resume after my grieving has concluded. I fear it may to up to 6 months.

Showing respect at this sad time

[Big D]

Which is the best network in the UK to follow the events?

The BBC are usually good at this sort of thing.

Huw Edwards has once again been fantastic all week.

[Big D]

Absolute chaos in Edinburgh. My mate is a tour guide and everything has been cancelled. A lot of guests in hotels and guest houses on and around the Royal Mile getting kicked out and moved to other hotels and even Glasgow. Seems totally OTT, but I had seen some of the Op Unicorn plans previously and always thought them a ridiculous overreaction.

I can appreciate it's a living nightmare to administrate at the proverbial drop of a hat, even if plans are laid well in advance, but evicting hotel guests is pretty rotten.

We were debating whether to take the kids by Holyrood to lay some flowers, don't really want to be one of the wailing horde but I think it's important for the kids to acknowledge something significant has occurred.

Me and the wife are debating the same.

[Biffer]

Absolute chaos in Edinburgh. My mate is a tour guide and everything has been cancelled. A lot of guests in hotels and guest houses on and around the Royal Mile getting kicked out and moved to other hotels and even Glasgow. Seems totally OTT, but I had seen some of the Op Unicorn plans previously and always thought them a ridiculous overreaction.

I can appreciate it's a living nightmare to administrate at the proverbial drop of a hat, even if plans are laid well in advance, but evicting hotel guests is pretty rotten.

We were debating whether to take the kids by Holyrood to lay some flowers, don't really want to be one of the wailing horde but I think it's important for the kids to acknowledge something significant has occurred.

Me and the wife are debating the same.

Same here. Not particularly pro or anti monarchiat but this is a very significant national event, so I should go and have a look

[Slick]

Absolute chaos in Edinburgh. My mate is a tour guide and everything has been cancelled. A lot of guests in hotels and guest houses on and around the Royal Mile getting kicked out and moved to other hotels and even Glasgow. Seems totally OTT, but I had seen some of the Op Unicorn plans previously and always thought them a ridiculous overreaction.

I can appreciate it's a living nightmare to administrate at the proverbial drop of a hat, even if plans are laid well in advance, but evicting hotel guests is pretty rotten.

We were debating whether to take the kids by Holyrood to lay some flowers, don't really want to be one of the wailing horde but I think it's important for the kids to acknowledge something significant has occurred.

Me and the wife are debating the same.

Yup, think we are going to brave it with the kids, they seem to have taken a real interest in what is happening

[Slick]

Junior rugby in England seems to be going ahead - just had a mail from my old club

[tc27]

Found the accession council interesting - a direct descendant of the Saxon Witan the Norman kings kept. The seperate oaths for the Church of Scotland interesting to (presumably the Bishops wars still fresh in the mind back in 1703(.

Penny Mordant did a good I thought

[geordie_6]

Found the accession council interesting - a direct descendant of the Saxon Witan the Norman kings kept. The seperate oaths for the Church of Scotland interesting to (presumably the Bishops wars still fresh in the mind back in 1703(.

Penny Mordant did a good I thought

Particularly for someone who is only slightly longer in post than the new King.

[tabascoboy]

Meanwhile, the really important thing

A bank holiday across the UK has been approved by King Charles III for the day of the funeral of his mother Queen Elizabeth II.

The new king confirmed the order at a ceremony in London proclaiming him as monarch.

The date of the Queen's state funeral has not yet been announced.

[SaintK]

Junior rugby in England seems to be going ahead - just had a mail from my old club

All rugby in England. Decision was made at 12:30 yesterday after consultation with Gpovernment
I can't think why ALL football in UK has been cancelled?

[Slick]

Junior rugby in England seems to be going ahead - just had a mail from my old club

All rugby in England. Decision was made at 12:30 yesterday after consultation with Gpovernment
I can't think why ALL football in UK has been cancelled?

Not sure I get your thrust here re the fitba