Another mass shooting in the US

[sockwithaticket]

I don't understand why a civilian needs access to semi-auto assault style weapons. At all. Handguns, aye alright, but nobody needs anything more than that for personal defence.

Tighten access to handguns via checks supported by mental health assessment, and restrict anything bigger than that to single action weapons only. Bolt action hunting rifles will stop anything someone is minded to hunt in the US...

Pffft an AR-15 with various accessories including a 100 round mage of armour piercing ammo is totally necessary for deer hunting

[geordie_6]

I don't understand why a civilian needs access to semi-auto assault style weapons. At all. Handguns, aye alright, but nobody needs anything more than that for personal defence.

Tighten access to handguns via checks supported by mental health assessment, and restrict anything bigger than that to single action weapons only. Bolt action hunting rifles will stop anything someone is minded to hunt in the US...

Deer will up-armour before long...

Pffft an AR-15 with various accessories including a 100 round mage of armour piercing ammo is totally necessary for deer hunting

[TB63]

[tabascoboy]

"But, but, but...correlation does not equal causation!"

[CM11]

Tbf, I think if you just focused on gun control you'd miss some causes. It's definitely a factor but the US has gone batshit in the last 20 years so I'd say it's also more and more people being disenfranchised by the way society has gone. There's just too much shit to deal with for some.

[Guy Smiley]

Tbf, I think if you just focused on gun control you'd miss some causes. It's definitely a factor but the US has gone batshit in the last 20 years so I'd say it's also more and more people being disenfranchised by the way society has gone. There's just too much shit to deal with for some.

It's all the woke.

[SaintK]

The Republican representative of the district where the shootings took place was "utterly heartbroken"

Tennessee representative Andrew Ogles, who represents the district where the Covenant school is located, said he was “utterly heartbroken” over the shooting in a statement released on Monday, reported the Washington Post.

This was Christmas card he sent out last year

[tabascoboy]

Meanwhile, gun related violence in the last 72 hours

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/last-72-hours

This one, 6 injured, all teens in Minneapolis

Parking lot; all victims walk ins at North Memorial hospital. 50 casings found from 3 guns.

[inactionman]

The Republican representative of the district where the shootings took place was "utterly heartbroken"

Tennessee representative Andrew Ogles, who represents the district where the Covenant school is located, said he was “utterly heartbroken” over the shooting in a statement released on Monday, reported the Washington Post.

This was Christmas card he sent out last year

I've a few mates who almost live for scuba diving, it would be weird for them to send a Christmas card with picture of them in wetsuits.

It's just a really odd thing to do, before you even factor in the fact it's kids holding guns.

[I like neeps]

Tbf, I think if you just focused on gun control you'd miss some causes. It's definitely a factor but the US has gone batshit in the last 20 years so I'd say it's also more and more people being disenfranchised by the way society has gone. There's just too much shit to deal with for some.

Indeed, their drug related deaths are out of control. 100k died from preventable drug related deaths last year.

[tabascoboy]

Americans struggle with their filters. We have old American friends and they send their Christmas cards and a little typed booklet every year. It's always mental with photos of them in hospital and sky diving and shit like 'This brings to an end a difficult year where I divorced Brandy and met the love of my like Cindy. Cindy and her two kids have moved in and everyone is just so delighted (cue a photo of miserable kids). Brandy and I were not for each other but I hope she and her children with Frank are happy in their new home with my business partner Paul'

"...before I go around and unload a magazine into their fuckin' faces"

[Sandstorm]

Unsurprisingly the shooter was in treatment for anxiety or depression. It's not difficult to stop them getting guns is it.

Actually in America it’s probably impossible to prevent someone who really wants a gun from getting one.

[Uncle fester]

Tbf, I think if you just focused on gun control you'd miss some causes. It's definitely a factor but the US has gone batshit in the last 20 years so I'd say it's also more and more people being disenfranchised by the way society has gone. There's just too much shit to deal with for some.

Plenty of guns in Canada as well but way less gun deaths.

[Sandstorm]

Unsurprisingly the shooter was in treatment for anxiety or depression. It's not difficult to stop them getting guns is it.

Actually in America it’s probably impossible to prevent someone who really wants a gun from getting one.

You have to tie yourself up in knots of bullshit to have created a system where a person being actively treated for an emotional disorder can get a gun. Tbf Americans are so binary these days I see the other side are saying it has nothing to do with the emotional disorder and its just the guns. Nope. Its both. I should add I shot when I was a young lad and would now very periodically go out and let off a few rounds in the general direction of things. It's all about access and safety. Did my dad always lock up the guns safely and away from stupid teenage me? No and then I did a stupid thing and he did. He got lucky and nobody found out as he would never have got a gun again. I remember a local.oul lad started dementing a bit and the day the GP reported it to the Gardai they went around and took his guns. It was the early early stages of dementia but that's the system and it mostly works.

Your father sounds like a typical careless gun-owning parent. Is he American?
Lucky you weren’t a fucked up teenager with issues.

[Raggs]

Nah. Lock boxes were a new thing. Guns were mostly kept on the top of presses or in the wardrobe. Boys would be too scared to go near them as they would get a clatter.

You clearly weren't. And you weren't apparently mentally distressed. Someone who was wouldn't be any more worried than you were.

[TB63]

This is all a bit odd for me. I've been round guns, albeit shotguns, all my life.. once I'd moved out of the family home, got my own gun locker, inspected by the police, got my licence etc and bought a gun.. Note..A.. gun, just one, that's all I needed to shoot things to eat with..Then I bought another. As my side by side was old and I fancied an over and under..
To date, I have 3. Two over and unders and my old side by side..
I did shoot a lot of other guns at an indoor range, including handguns until the ban came in..
This obsession with gun collections is beyond me, yes I've seen the pics of yanks covering their drive in arms to boast about how many they have.wtf? Stupid as is stupid gets sums it up..

[Slick]

Let's apply The 5 Whys to the situation.

Why does America have so many mass shootings?
-They have a lot of mentally unstable people with access to guns

Why?
-They are over medicated and the 2nd Amendment gives them the right to bare arms

Why?
-They get bombarded by adverts from Pharma companies on TV, and in a document written 233 years ago the FFs wanted their citizens to be able to rise up against tyranny

Why?
-Pharma companies make a lot of money from this and Americans generally have an inherent wish to improve their station in life, and the FFs distrusted strong forms of government due to the English rule over the colonies

Why?
-Money.

Don't think we need the 5th Why . . .

You are over thinking this

[fishfoodie]

This is all a bit odd for me. I've been round guns, albeit shotguns, all my life.. once I'd moved out of the family home, got my own gun locker, inspected by the police, got my licence etc and bought a gun.. Note..A.. gun, just one, that's all I needed to shoot things to eat with..Then I bought another. As my side by side was old and I fancied an over and under..
To date, I have 3. Two over and unders and my old side by side..
I did shoot a lot of other guns at an indoor range, including handguns until the ban came in..
This obsession with gun collections is beyond me, yes I've seen the pics of yanks covering their drive in arms to boast about how many they have.wtf? Stupid as is stupid gets sums it up..

You clearly didn't grow up in a society that conflates masculinity, with guns, & violence, to the point where a woman who wants to be seen as masculine decides that the best way to achieve that is to murder children.

Wanna be a man, buy an assault weapon !

Got a tiny penis, buy lots of guns !!

[Sandstorm]

Hey, some guys have 50+ guitars in their collections. Guns are just another form of obsession for some people.

[CM11]

Tbf, I think if you just focused on gun control you'd miss some causes. It's definitely a factor but the US has gone batshit in the last 20 years so I'd say it's also more and more people being disenfranchised by the way society has gone. There's just too much shit to deal with for some.

Plenty of guns in Canada as well but way less gun deaths.

And?

[Niegs]

This is all a bit odd for me. I've been round guns, albeit shotguns, all my life.. once I'd moved out of the family home, got my own gun locker, inspected by the police, got my licence etc and bought a gun.. Note..A.. gun, just one, that's all I needed to shoot things to eat with..Then I bought another. As my side by side was old and I fancied an over and under..
To date, I have 3. Two over and unders and my old side by side..
I did shoot a lot of other guns at an indoor range, including handguns until the ban came in..
This obsession with gun collections is beyond me, yes I've seen the pics of yanks covering their drive in arms to boast about how many they have.wtf? Stupid as is stupid gets sums it up..

You clearly didn't grow up in a society that conflates masculinity, with guns, & violence, to the point where a woman who wants to be seen as masculine decides that the best way to achieve that is to murder children.

Wanna be a man, buy an assault weapon !

Got a tiny penis, buy lots of guns !!

Yep...

[Line6 HXFX]

Bullying in High School, destroys students lives, can be so intense it leads to them then to not giving a single fuck (as their whole sense of self is crushed) and then leads to them wanting to take revenge.
Eradicate bullying and save lives.

Eradicate bullying, make school a great experience and you won't have so many terrible shootings.

Problem is teachers are into bullying too.

Kids are not mentally developed enough to deal with bullies emotionally, the brain isn't really in not give a fuck mode till you are like 30.

Words are weapons, you don't have real jobs anymore, just English lit grads using verbose abuse as a money earner.

Sometimes think our whole Capitalist, Right Wing, economic system amd Society itself, is held together with personal abuse and bullying. Don't have to look very far to find evidence of this. It happens when a tiny percentage have all the cash and all the opportunities and don't want to give fuck all away, and want to keep it all, with zero moral justifications.

There are a thousand derogatory words for a poor sick and unemployed person and like none for them.

So as bullying is key to this society, it is inevitable that there is going to be lots of distress, lots of misery and lots of "not give a single fuck" style revenge attacks.

In the U.K. kids use Knives, but it's the same disease.

[Niegs]

Bullying in High School, destroys students lives, can be so intense it leads to them then to not giving a single fuck (as their whole sense of self is crushed) and then leads to them wanting to take revenge.
Eradicate bullying and save lives.

Eradicate bullying, make school a great experience and you won't have so many terrible shootings.

Problem is teachers are into bullying too.

Kids are not mentally developed enough to deal with bullies emotionally, the brain isn't really in not give a fuck mode till you are like 30.

Words are weapons, you don't have real jobs anymore, just English lit grads using verbose abuse as a money earner.

Sometimes think our whole Capitalist, Right Wing, economic system amd Society itself, is held together with personal abuse and bullying.
So it is inevitable that there are going to be victims.

I don't think you can fully eradicate bullying, sadly. I remember calling out a teen in a very nice school on some low-grade bullying in my library once and while giving him a bit of a lecture, it struck me that he was only a few days earlier on stage doing an anti-bullying piece for a whole-school assembly.

It's certainly worth trying, a constant message to be more accepting and inviting of others, to empower them to call out bullying, stand-up for others, band together, etc. ... but some are tough to crack (both bullies and loners who refuse genuine outreach).

[Line6 HXFX]

I think I know more than most as, as a young, mutant ninja hero guitar player music student, I actually toured South Wales Schools..with an anti bullying rock opera back in 1991 for 3 months, doing 3 shows a day.

One of the rock songs I wrote and performed (called of course " Depression") the lyrics went..

What's the point of getting out of bed,
When all you feel like doing is playing dead,
Everyone thinks you are going outta your head,
But no one seems to care..
What's the point of going to School,
When everyone wants you to play the fool..
I would go and tell a teacher..but uts just not cool..

Being alone the voices
In my head head,
Remind me of the bad times and the things that you said.
So full of hate..
So scared to create..
A life that I want now..
I know its too late..


......Surprised we weren't all bullied abused and or stabbed as soon as we turned up, but the show was actually well recieved..and I got a merit for my performances.

Believe I saved and rescued thousands of kids from being bullied, single handedly, with my music, and shining a light on them there bullies and their bullying ways.

That's the power of Rock n Roll.

Why shootings occur.
https://www.alfred.edu/about/news/stu ... tings.cfm

[Jim Lahey]

I think I know more than most as, as a young, mutant ninja hero guitar player music student, I actually toured South Wales Schools..with an anti bullying rock opera back in 1991 for 3 months, doing 3 shows a day.

One of the rock songs I wrote and performed (called of course " Depression") the lyrics went..

What's the point of getting out of bed,
When all you feel like doing is playing dead,
Everyone thinks you are going outta your head,
But no one seems to care..
What's the point of going to School,
When everyone wants you to play the fool..
I would go and tell a teacher..but uts just not cool..

Being alone the voices
In my head head,
Remind me of the bad times and the things that you said.
So full of hate..
So scared to create..
A life that I want now..
I know its too late..


......Surprised we weren't all bullied abused and or stabbed as soon as we turned up, but the show was actually well recieved..and I got a merit for my performances.

Believe I saved and rescued thousands of kids from being bullied, single handedly, with my music, and shining a light on them there bullies and their bullying ways.

That's the power of Rock n Roll.

Why shootings occur.
https://www.alfred.edu/about/news/stu ... tings.cfm

Quality effort

[Line6 HXFX]

I think I know more than most as, as a young, mutant ninja hero guitar player music student, I actually toured South Wales Schools..with an anti bullying rock opera back in 1991 for 3 months, doing 3 shows a day.

One of the rock songs I wrote and performed (called of course " Depression") the lyrics went..

What's the point of getting out of bed,
When all you feel like doing is playing dead,
Everyone thinks you are going outta your head,
But no one seems to care..
What's the point of going to School,
When everyone wants you to play the fool..
I would go and tell a teacher..but uts just not cool..

Being alone the voices
In my head head,
Remind me of the bad times and the things that you said.
So full of hate..
So scared to create..
A life that I want now..
I know its too late..


......Surprised we weren't all bullied abused and or stabbed as soon as we turned up, but the show was actually well recieved..and I got a merit for my performances.

Believe I saved and rescued thousands of kids from being bullied, single handedly, with my music, and shining a light on them there bullies and their bullying ways.

That's the power of Rock n Roll.

Why shootings occur.
https://www.alfred.edu/about/news/stu ... tings.cfm

Quality effort

Lol..Actually happenned.
BTEC Nat Diploma in Performing Arts.
....or "saving lives".
It was 1993 not 91.

[Line6 HXFX]

Just came across this.
Guess this is what I mean when I say bullying is societal, and basically a tool for the Right Wing, and middle classes to destroy and hound opposition.


Let's not forget Jeremy Clarkson and his mates were allowed to attack everyone not English and Middle class, on the BBC for decades. Union members the Welsh Mexicans, Americans, the Scottish, everyone not English and Middle class was fair game.
If they dared complain, their targets would then be instantly eviserated by Clarkson supporters (even seen the do this on BBC Breakfast), for having no sense of humour, or not getting the joke, so not only would they have to suffer the initial terrible racist insult, that was bad enough, they would be taken apart for months in the media and in the comments sections (by which time Clarkson etc would be well out of it), for being dim, and not as clever as the English middle classes.
Again, decades this went on for.
Bullying and cruelty and hounding people is holding together society, so of course it is in schools. It is a industry.
So you can hardly fight it in schools (even with amazing guitar solos and song writing) if bullying is on display everywhere, and is such a huge aspect of general society outside the classroom.

there are hih profile media careers built on it.

[media] [/media]

[dpedin]

Bullying in High School, destroys students lives, can be so intense it leads to them then to not giving a single fuck (as their whole sense of self is crushed) and then leads to them wanting to take revenge.
Eradicate bullying and save lives.

Eradicate bullying, make school a great experience and you won't have so many terrible shootings.

Problem is teachers are into bullying too.

Kids are not mentally developed enough to deal with bullies emotionally, the brain isn't really in not give a fuck mode till you are like 30.

Words are weapons, you don't have real jobs anymore, just English lit grads using verbose abuse as a money earner.

Sometimes think our whole Capitalist, Right Wing, economic system amd Society itself, is held together with personal abuse and bullying. Don't have to look very far to find evidence of this. It happens when a tiny percentage have all the cash and all the opportunities and don't want to give fuck all away, and want to keep it all, with zero moral justifications.

There are a thousand derogatory words for a poor sick and unemployed person and like none for them.

So as bullying is key to this society, it is inevitable that there is going to be lots of distress, lots of misery and lots of "not give a single fuck" style revenge attacks.

In the U.K. kids use Knives, but it's the same disease.

False equivalence!

48,830 deaths by gun in US in 2021 - this includes all deaths inc suicides. Murders were about 20,000. In the UK there was less than 300 murders using a knife. Even allowing for the fact that the US pop is larger (333m v 67m) it is pretty clear that the US gun death problem is on a completely different scale.

Under 18s cannot buy a knife in the UK and carrying one in the UK is also illegal. Stop and search and other police interventions, for all their issues and problems, is about getting knifes off the streets. Carrying a knife is a serious offence in the UK and can lead to a max 4 year jail sentence, I've visited states in the US where strange looking men dressed as action man openly carry assault rifles to the shops! Absolutely mad.

I suspect that many on here have missed that this month is the 27th anniversary of the Dunblane shootings. As a Scot I remember the shocking incident only too well and the grief that followed it. Fortunately we had a sane UK Gov who almost immediately made handguns illegal in the UK. However let's not forget that our very own Boris Blonde Bumbelcunt Johnson argued against it saying 'the handgun ban was like a nanny confiscating toys and a knee-jerk reaction' - what a prick. Automatic and semi automatic weapons are also illegal.

Since 2000 we have had 7 mass shootings in the UK, none involving schools. The US have had c130 mass shootings in 2023 alone, many in schools. Anyone who argues that gun availability doesnt lead to more deaths by shooting is just plain deluded.

More people die of suicide by shooting in the USA than being murdered, a sorry fact often over looked. Giving open access to guns in the US use creates a greater opportunity for ill or dangerous people to kill themselves and/or others more easily. Guns are the problem!

[inactionman]

Bullying in High School, destroys students lives, can be so intense it leads to them then to not giving a single fuck (as their whole sense of self is crushed) and then leads to them wanting to take revenge.
Eradicate bullying and save lives.

Eradicate bullying, make school a great experience and you won't have so many terrible shootings.

Problem is teachers are into bullying too.

Kids are not mentally developed enough to deal with bullies emotionally, the brain isn't really in not give a fuck mode till you are like 30.

Words are weapons, you don't have real jobs anymore, just English lit grads using verbose abuse as a money earner.

Sometimes think our whole Capitalist, Right Wing, economic system amd Society itself, is held together with personal abuse and bullying. Don't have to look very far to find evidence of this. It happens when a tiny percentage have all the cash and all the opportunities and don't want to give fuck all away, and want to keep it all, with zero moral justifications.

There are a thousand derogatory words for a poor sick and unemployed person and like none for them.

So as bullying is key to this society, it is inevitable that there is going to be lots of distress, lots of misery and lots of "not give a single fuck" style revenge attacks.

In the U.K. kids use Knives, but it's the same disease.

False equivalence!

48,830 deaths by gun in US in 2021 - this includes all deaths inc suicides. Murders were about 20,000. In the UK there was less than 300 murders using a knife. Even allowing for the fact that the US pop is larger (333m v 67m) it is pretty clear that the US gun death problem is on a completely different scale.

Under 18s cannot buy a knife in the UK and carrying one in the UK is also illegal. Stop and search and other police interventions, for all their issues and problems, is about getting knifes off the streets. Carrying a knife is a serious offence in the UK and can lead to a max 4 year jail sentence, I've visited states in the US where strange looking men dressed as action man openly carry assault rifles to the shops! Absolutely mad.

I suspect that many on here have missed that this month is the 27th anniversary of the Dunblane shootings. As a Scot I remember the shocking incident only too well and the grief that followed it. Fortunately we had a sane UK Gov who almost immediately made handguns illegal in the UK. However let's not forget that our very own Boris Blonde Bumbelcunt Johnson argued against it saying 'the handgun ban was like a nanny confiscating toys and a knee-jerk reaction' - what a prick. Automatic and semi automatic weapons are also illegal.

Since 2000 we have had 7 mass shootings in the UK, none involving schools. The US have had c130 mass shootings in 2023 alone, many in schools. Anyone who argues that gun availability doesnt lead to more deaths by shooting is just plain deluded.

More people die of suicide by shooting in the USA than being murdered, a sorry fact often over looked. Giving open access to guns in the US use creates a greater opportunity for ill or dangerous people to kill themselves and/or others more easily. Guns are the problem!

I moved up to Scotland 5 or 6 years ago and recall the first time I drove through Dunblane - even 20-odd years past the shooting the very name still brought chills, just such a horrible event, and infamous across the whole nation.

How Americans don't feel that sense of dread and a commitment to 'never again' after the likes of Sandy Hook is beyond me. Even if you love guns, surely you'd prefer children not to be shot. I simply don't accept that gunowners can't see a correlation or accept the increases in safety that (even minimal) regulatory control would bring, it's simply they don't care enough to be mildly inconvenienced. I'm at a loss as to how you change that mindset.

[Kiwias]

I moved up to Scotland 5 or 6 years ago and recall the first time I drove through Dunblane - even 20-odd years past the shooting the very name still brought chills, just such a horrible event, and infamous across the whole nation.

How Americans don't feel that sense of dread and a commitment to 'never again' after the likes of Sandy Hook is beyond me. Even if you love guns, surely you'd prefer children not to be shot. I simply don't accept that gunowners can't see a correlation or accept the increases in safety that (even minimal) regulatory control would bring, it's simply they don't care enough to be mildly inconvenienced. I'm at a loss as to how you change that mindset.

AFAIK, the reality is that a large majority of gun owners (and members of NRA) actually do support tighter regulations in the form of background checks, enforced waiting periods, smaller magazine sizes, etc.

[dpedin]

Bullying in High School, destroys students lives, can be so intense it leads to them then to not giving a single fuck (as their whole sense of self is crushed) and then leads to them wanting to take revenge.
Eradicate bullying and save lives.

Eradicate bullying, make school a great experience and you won't have so many terrible shootings.

Problem is teachers are into bullying too.

Kids are not mentally developed enough to deal with bullies emotionally, the brain isn't really in not give a fuck mode till you are like 30.

Words are weapons, you don't have real jobs anymore, just English lit grads using verbose abuse as a money earner.

Sometimes think our whole Capitalist, Right Wing, economic system amd Society itself, is held together with personal abuse and bullying. Don't have to look very far to find evidence of this. It happens when a tiny percentage have all the cash and all the opportunities and don't want to give fuck all away, and want to keep it all, with zero moral justifications.

There are a thousand derogatory words for a poor sick and unemployed person and like none for them.

So as bullying is key to this society, it is inevitable that there is going to be lots of distress, lots of misery and lots of "not give a single fuck" style revenge attacks.

In the U.K. kids use Knives, but it's the same disease.

False equivalence!

48,830 deaths by gun in US in 2021 - this includes all deaths inc suicides. Murders were about 20,000. In the UK there was less than 300 murders using a knife. Even allowing for the fact that the US pop is larger (333m v 67m) it is pretty clear that the US gun death problem is on a completely different scale.

Under 18s cannot buy a knife in the UK and carrying one in the UK is also illegal. Stop and search and other police interventions, for all their issues and problems, is about getting knifes off the streets. Carrying a knife is a serious offence in the UK and can lead to a max 4 year jail sentence, I've visited states in the US where strange looking men dressed as action man openly carry assault rifles to the shops! Absolutely mad.

I suspect that many on here have missed that this month is the 27th anniversary of the Dunblane shootings. As a Scot I remember the shocking incident only too well and the grief that followed it. Fortunately we had a sane UK Gov who almost immediately made handguns illegal in the UK. However let's not forget that our very own Boris Blonde Bumbelcunt Johnson argued against it saying 'the handgun ban was like a nanny confiscating toys and a knee-jerk reaction' - what a prick. Automatic and semi automatic weapons are also illegal.

Since 2000 we have had 7 mass shootings in the UK, none involving schools. The US have had c130 mass shootings in 2023 alone, many in schools. Anyone who argues that gun availability doesnt lead to more deaths by shooting is just plain deluded.

More people die of suicide by shooting in the USA than being murdered, a sorry fact often over looked. Giving open access to guns in the US use creates a greater opportunity for ill or dangerous people to kill themselves and/or others more easily. Guns are the problem!

I moved up to Scotland 5 or 6 years ago and recall the first time I drove through Dunblane - even 20-odd years past the shooting the very name still brought chills, just such a horrible event, and infamous across the whole nation.

How Americans don't feel that sense of dread and a commitment to 'never again' after the likes of Sandy Hook is beyond me. Even if you love guns, surely you'd prefer children not to be shot. I simply don't accept that gunowners can't see a correlation or accept the increases in safety that (even minimal) regulatory control would bring, it's simply they don't care enough to be mildly inconvenienced. I'm at a loss as to how you change that mindset.

I had work colleagues who lived in Dunblane and who had kids at the school and who rushed home in a panic when the news broke a shooting. Luckily none were involved. It took some weeks/months to get over the shock. The community was devastated.

A few days after the shooting I was going on a ski holiday. I remember walking into Edinburgh airport shop to buy a magazine and there was a crowd of folk around the newspaper stand looking at front pages - every paper carried the official school photo of the primary class and teacher who were almost all killed in the shooting. No one spoke, everyone just stood their stock still, their heads bowed with tears running down their cheeks. I joined them.

I've never held a gun, fired a gun nor even been in the same room as a gun and never, ever want to be.

[dpedin]

Bullying in High School, destroys students lives, can be so intense it leads to them then to not giving a single fuck (as their whole sense of self is crushed) and then leads to them wanting to take revenge.
Eradicate bullying and save lives.

Eradicate bullying, make school a great experience and you won't have so many terrible shootings.

Problem is teachers are into bullying too.

Kids are not mentally developed enough to deal with bullies emotionally, the brain isn't really in not give a fuck mode till you are like 30.

Words are weapons, you don't have real jobs anymore, just English lit grads using verbose abuse as a money earner.

Sometimes think our whole Capitalist, Right Wing, economic system amd Society itself, is held together with personal abuse and bullying. Don't have to look very far to find evidence of this. It happens when a tiny percentage have all the cash and all the opportunities and don't want to give fuck all away, and want to keep it all, with zero moral justifications.

There are a thousand derogatory words for a poor sick and unemployed person and like none for them.

So as bullying is key to this society, it is inevitable that there is going to be lots of distress, lots of misery and lots of "not give a single fuck" style revenge attacks.

In the U.K. kids use Knives, but it's the same disease.

False equivalence!

48,830 deaths by gun in US in 2021 - this includes all deaths inc suicides. Murders were about 20,000. In the UK there was less than 300 murders using a knife. Even allowing for the fact that the US pop is larger (333m v 67m) it is pretty clear that the US gun death problem is on a completely different scale.

Under 18s cannot buy a knife in the UK and carrying one in the UK is also illegal. Stop and search and other police interventions, for all their issues and problems, is about getting knifes off the streets. Carrying a knife is a serious offence in the UK and can lead to a max 4 year jail sentence, I've visited states in the US where strange looking men dressed as action man openly carry assault rifles to the shops! Absolutely mad.

I suspect that many on here have missed that this month is the 27th anniversary of the Dunblane shootings. As a Scot I remember the shocking incident only too well and the grief that followed it. Fortunately we had a sane UK Gov who almost immediately made handguns illegal in the UK. However let's not forget that our very own Boris Blonde Bumbelcunt Johnson argued against it saying 'the handgun ban was like a nanny confiscating toys and a knee-jerk reaction' - what a prick. Automatic and semi automatic weapons are also illegal.

Since 2000 we have had 7 mass shootings in the UK, none involving schools. The US have had c130 mass shootings in 2023 alone, many in schools. Anyone who argues that gun availability doesnt lead to more deaths by shooting is just plain deluded.

More people die of suicide by shooting in the USA than being murdered, a sorry fact often over looked. Giving open access to guns in the US use creates a greater opportunity for ill or dangerous people to kill themselves and/or others more easily. Guns are the problem!

I moved up to Scotland 5 or 6 years ago and recall the first time I drove through Dunblane - even 20-odd years past the shooting the very name still brought chills, just such a horrible event, and infamous across the whole nation.

How Americans don't feel that sense of dread and a commitment to 'never again' after the likes of Sandy Hook is beyond me. Even if you love guns, surely you'd prefer children not to be shot. I simply don't accept that gunowners can't see a correlation or accept the increases in safety that (even minimal) regulatory control would bring, it's simply they don't care enough to be mildly inconvenienced. I'm at a loss as to how you change that mindset.

I had work colleagues at the time who lived in Dunblane and who had kids at the school and who rushed home in a panic when the news broke of a shooting. Luckily none were involved. It took some weeks/months for them to get over the shock. The community was devastated.

A few days after the shooting I was going on a ski holiday. I remember walking into Edinburgh airport shop to buy a magazine and there was a crowd of folk around the newspaper stand looking at front pages - every paper carried the official school photo of the primary class and teacher who were almost all killed in the shooting. No one spoke, everyone just stood there stock still, their heads bowed with tears running down their cheeks. I joined them.

I've never held a gun, fired a gun nor even been in the same room as a gun and never, ever want to be.

[sockwithaticket]

Not only are they apparently not phased by school shootings or sufficiently bothered that they might accept any restrictions on their freedumb, but those in favour seem dead set on normalising. Whether it's active shooter drills where they don't warn the kids it's a drill, backpacks with a bulletproof plate or changing school layouts to be shooter unfriendly, they will do any and everything to embed the idea that school shootings are just a fact of life to be worked around.

I'm sure some kids blithely ignore it all, but there must be some, particularly high schoolers, who are acutely aware of the fact that any random day could be their turn to be targeted by some nut. It's difficult to fully understand what that sense of general anxiety can do to a psyche and what sort of trauma is being stored up.

Americans are the most medicated people in the developed world and while that's partly a result of big pharma and unscrupulous doctors, I think it's also because they live in the closest thing the developed world has to a hellscape. Between rampant predatory capitalism and generations of kids having graduated under the shadow first cast by Columbine almost a quarter century ago it seems like, on a macro level, their society has been engineered to break people.

[Sandstorm]

As sure as night follows day, the despicable piece of shit posts her usual "it's not the guns fault"..

Watching that video again and how the shooter moves, it's clear that Gaming is responsible for all the problems here. Ban Playstation!

[Jim Lahey]

As sure as night follows day, the despicable piece of shit posts her usual "it's not the guns fault"..

Watching that video again and how the shooter moves, it's clear that Gaming is responsible for all the problems here. Ban Playstation!

Would probably help with the obesity problem as well

[Prembore]

I think I know more than most as, as a young, mutant ninja hero guitar player music student, I actually toured South Wales Schools..with an anti bullying rock opera back in 1991 for 3 months, doing 3 shows a day.

[Slick]

Bullying in High School, destroys students lives, can be so intense it leads to them then to not giving a single fuck (as their whole sense of self is crushed) and then leads to them wanting to take revenge.
Eradicate bullying and save lives.

Eradicate bullying, make school a great experience and you won't have so many terrible shootings.

Problem is teachers are into bullying too.

Kids are not mentally developed enough to deal with bullies emotionally, the brain isn't really in not give a fuck mode till you are like 30.

Words are weapons, you don't have real jobs anymore, just English lit grads using verbose abuse as a money earner.

Sometimes think our whole Capitalist, Right Wing, economic system amd Society itself, is held together with personal abuse and bullying. Don't have to look very far to find evidence of this. It happens when a tiny percentage have all the cash and all the opportunities and don't want to give fuck all away, and want to keep it all, with zero moral justifications.

There are a thousand derogatory words for a poor sick and unemployed person and like none for them.

So as bullying is key to this society, it is inevitable that there is going to be lots of distress, lots of misery and lots of "not give a single fuck" style revenge attacks.

In the U.K. kids use Knives, but it's the same disease.

False equivalence!

48,830 deaths by gun in US in 2021 - this includes all deaths inc suicides. Murders were about 20,000. In the UK there was less than 300 murders using a knife. Even allowing for the fact that the US pop is larger (333m v 67m) it is pretty clear that the US gun death problem is on a completely different scale.

Under 18s cannot buy a knife in the UK and carrying one in the UK is also illegal. Stop and search and other police interventions, for all their issues and problems, is about getting knifes off the streets. Carrying a knife is a serious offence in the UK and can lead to a max 4 year jail sentence, I've visited states in the US where strange looking men dressed as action man openly carry assault rifles to the shops! Absolutely mad.

I suspect that many on here have missed that this month is the 27th anniversary of the Dunblane shootings. As a Scot I remember the shocking incident only too well and the grief that followed it. Fortunately we had a sane UK Gov who almost immediately made handguns illegal in the UK. However let's not forget that our very own Boris Blonde Bumbelcunt Johnson argued against it saying 'the handgun ban was like a nanny confiscating toys and a knee-jerk reaction' - what a prick. Automatic and semi automatic weapons are also illegal.

Since 2000 we have had 7 mass shootings in the UK, none involving schools. The US have had c130 mass shootings in 2023 alone, many in schools. Anyone who argues that gun availability doesnt lead to more deaths by shooting is just plain deluded.

More people die of suicide by shooting in the USA than being murdered, a sorry fact often over looked. Giving open access to guns in the US use creates a greater opportunity for ill or dangerous people to kill themselves and/or others more easily. Guns are the problem!

I moved up to Scotland 5 or 6 years ago and recall the first time I drove through Dunblane - even 20-odd years past the shooting the very name still brought chills, just such a horrible event, and infamous across the whole nation.

How Americans don't feel that sense of dread and a commitment to 'never again' after the likes of Sandy Hook is beyond me. Even if you love guns, surely you'd prefer children not to be shot. I simply don't accept that gunowners can't see a correlation or accept the increases in safety that (even minimal) regulatory control would bring, it's simply they don't care enough to be mildly inconvenienced. I'm at a loss as to how you change that mindset.

We went up there for the first time a few months back and agree with everything you say. When I saw the memorial in the church I just burst into tears

[Sandstorm]

I think I know more than most as, as a young, mutant ninja hero guitar player music student, I actually toured South Wales Schools..with an anti bullying rock opera back in 1991 for 3 months, doing 3 shows a day.

[inactionman]

I moved up to Scotland 5 or 6 years ago and recall the first time I drove through Dunblane - even 20-odd years past the shooting the very name still brought chills, just such a horrible event, and infamous across the whole nation.

How Americans don't feel that sense of dread and a commitment to 'never again' after the likes of Sandy Hook is beyond me. Even if you love guns, surely you'd prefer children not to be shot. I simply don't accept that gunowners can't see a correlation or accept the increases in safety that (even minimal) regulatory control would bring, it's simply they don't care enough to be mildly inconvenienced. I'm at a loss as to how you change that mindset.

AFAIK, the reality is that a large majority of gun owners (and members of NRA) actually do support tighter regulations in the form of background checks, enforced waiting periods, smaller magazine sizes, etc.

You are correct to call that out - I should really have qualified that it's the people who actively block change, despite kids being slaughtered, that I reserve my ire for.

I don't doubt that a huge number of Americans who are keen to retain access to guns also support measures to stop guns being used to murder people. The problem appears, to this outsider at least, that these moderates (if that's the right phrase) are relatively passive and idiots like Marjorie whatever-her-chops-is are shouting louder.

[Simian]

Tbf, I think if you just focused on gun control you'd miss some causes. It's definitely a factor but the US has gone batshit in the last 20 years so I'd say it's also more and more people being disenfranchised by the way society has gone. There's just too much shit to deal with for some.

Plenty of guns in Canada as well but way less gun deaths.

Canada has ~35 guns per hundred people (at the high end internationally). US has ~120 guns per hundred people.

I think it’s unlikely that the US being a huge outlier in terms of how common both guns and mass shootings are is a coincidence. (Not suggesting you said it was. My pout is just that, even compared to countries where guns are common, guns are a LOT more common in the US)