Another mass shooting in the US

[Jim Lahey]

I think I know more than most as, as a young, mutant ninja hero guitar player music student, I actually toured South Wales Schools..with an anti bullying rock opera back in 1991 for 3 months, doing 3 shows a day.

One of the rock songs I wrote and performed (called of course " Depression") the lyrics went..

What's the point of getting out of bed,
When all you feel like doing is playing dead,
Everyone thinks you are going outta your head,
But no one seems to care..
What's the point of going to School,
When everyone wants you to play the fool..
I would go and tell a teacher..but uts just not cool..

Being alone the voices
In my head head,
Remind me of the bad times and the things that you said.
So full of hate..
So scared to create..
A life that I want now..
I know its too late..


......Surprised we weren't all bullied abused and or stabbed as soon as we turned up, but the show was actually well recieved..and I got a merit for my performances.

Believe I saved and rescued thousands of kids from being bullied, single handedly, with my music, and shining a light on them there bullies and their bullying ways.

That's the power of Rock n Roll.

Why shootings occur.
https://www.alfred.edu/about/news/stu ... tings.cfm

Quality effort

[Line6 HXFX]

I think I know more than most as, as a young, mutant ninja hero guitar player music student, I actually toured South Wales Schools..with an anti bullying rock opera back in 1991 for 3 months, doing 3 shows a day.

One of the rock songs I wrote and performed (called of course " Depression") the lyrics went..

What's the point of getting out of bed,
When all you feel like doing is playing dead,
Everyone thinks you are going outta your head,
But no one seems to care..
What's the point of going to School,
When everyone wants you to play the fool..
I would go and tell a teacher..but uts just not cool..

Being alone the voices
In my head head,
Remind me of the bad times and the things that you said.
So full of hate..
So scared to create..
A life that I want now..
I know its too late..


......Surprised we weren't all bullied abused and or stabbed as soon as we turned up, but the show was actually well recieved..and I got a merit for my performances.

Believe I saved and rescued thousands of kids from being bullied, single handedly, with my music, and shining a light on them there bullies and their bullying ways.

That's the power of Rock n Roll.

Why shootings occur.
https://www.alfred.edu/about/news/stu ... tings.cfm

Quality effort

Lol..Actually happenned.
BTEC Nat Diploma in Performing Arts.
....or "saving lives".
It was 1993 not 91.

[Line6 HXFX]

Just came across this.
Guess this is what I mean when I say bullying is societal, and basically a tool for the Right Wing, and middle classes to destroy and hound opposition.


Let's not forget Jeremy Clarkson and his mates were allowed to attack everyone not English and Middle class, on the BBC for decades. Union members the Welsh Mexicans, Americans, the Scottish, everyone not English and Middle class was fair game.
If they dared complain, their targets would then be instantly eviserated by Clarkson supporters (even seen the do this on BBC Breakfast), for having no sense of humour, or not getting the joke, so not only would they have to suffer the initial terrible racist insult, that was bad enough, they would be taken apart for months in the media and in the comments sections (by which time Clarkson etc would be well out of it), for being dim, and not as clever as the English middle classes.
Again, decades this went on for.
Bullying and cruelty and hounding people is holding together society, so of course it is in schools. It is a industry.
So you can hardly fight it in schools (even with amazing guitar solos and song writing) if bullying is on display everywhere, and is such a huge aspect of general society outside the classroom.

there are hih profile media careers built on it.

[media] [/media]

[dpedin]

Bullying in High School, destroys students lives, can be so intense it leads to them then to not giving a single fuck (as their whole sense of self is crushed) and then leads to them wanting to take revenge.
Eradicate bullying and save lives.

Eradicate bullying, make school a great experience and you won't have so many terrible shootings.

Problem is teachers are into bullying too.

Kids are not mentally developed enough to deal with bullies emotionally, the brain isn't really in not give a fuck mode till you are like 30.

Words are weapons, you don't have real jobs anymore, just English lit grads using verbose abuse as a money earner.

Sometimes think our whole Capitalist, Right Wing, economic system amd Society itself, is held together with personal abuse and bullying. Don't have to look very far to find evidence of this. It happens when a tiny percentage have all the cash and all the opportunities and don't want to give fuck all away, and want to keep it all, with zero moral justifications.

There are a thousand derogatory words for a poor sick and unemployed person and like none for them.

So as bullying is key to this society, it is inevitable that there is going to be lots of distress, lots of misery and lots of "not give a single fuck" style revenge attacks.

In the U.K. kids use Knives, but it's the same disease.

False equivalence!

48,830 deaths by gun in US in 2021 - this includes all deaths inc suicides. Murders were about 20,000. In the UK there was less than 300 murders using a knife. Even allowing for the fact that the US pop is larger (333m v 67m) it is pretty clear that the US gun death problem is on a completely different scale.

Under 18s cannot buy a knife in the UK and carrying one in the UK is also illegal. Stop and search and other police interventions, for all their issues and problems, is about getting knifes off the streets. Carrying a knife is a serious offence in the UK and can lead to a max 4 year jail sentence, I've visited states in the US where strange looking men dressed as action man openly carry assault rifles to the shops! Absolutely mad.

I suspect that many on here have missed that this month is the 27th anniversary of the Dunblane shootings. As a Scot I remember the shocking incident only too well and the grief that followed it. Fortunately we had a sane UK Gov who almost immediately made handguns illegal in the UK. However let's not forget that our very own Boris Blonde Bumbelcunt Johnson argued against it saying 'the handgun ban was like a nanny confiscating toys and a knee-jerk reaction' - what a prick. Automatic and semi automatic weapons are also illegal.

Since 2000 we have had 7 mass shootings in the UK, none involving schools. The US have had c130 mass shootings in 2023 alone, many in schools. Anyone who argues that gun availability doesnt lead to more deaths by shooting is just plain deluded.

More people die of suicide by shooting in the USA than being murdered, a sorry fact often over looked. Giving open access to guns in the US use creates a greater opportunity for ill or dangerous people to kill themselves and/or others more easily. Guns are the problem!

[inactionman]

Bullying in High School, destroys students lives, can be so intense it leads to them then to not giving a single fuck (as their whole sense of self is crushed) and then leads to them wanting to take revenge.
Eradicate bullying and save lives.

Eradicate bullying, make school a great experience and you won't have so many terrible shootings.

Problem is teachers are into bullying too.

Kids are not mentally developed enough to deal with bullies emotionally, the brain isn't really in not give a fuck mode till you are like 30.

Words are weapons, you don't have real jobs anymore, just English lit grads using verbose abuse as a money earner.

Sometimes think our whole Capitalist, Right Wing, economic system amd Society itself, is held together with personal abuse and bullying. Don't have to look very far to find evidence of this. It happens when a tiny percentage have all the cash and all the opportunities and don't want to give fuck all away, and want to keep it all, with zero moral justifications.

There are a thousand derogatory words for a poor sick and unemployed person and like none for them.

So as bullying is key to this society, it is inevitable that there is going to be lots of distress, lots of misery and lots of "not give a single fuck" style revenge attacks.

In the U.K. kids use Knives, but it's the same disease.

False equivalence!

48,830 deaths by gun in US in 2021 - this includes all deaths inc suicides. Murders were about 20,000. In the UK there was less than 300 murders using a knife. Even allowing for the fact that the US pop is larger (333m v 67m) it is pretty clear that the US gun death problem is on a completely different scale.

Under 18s cannot buy a knife in the UK and carrying one in the UK is also illegal. Stop and search and other police interventions, for all their issues and problems, is about getting knifes off the streets. Carrying a knife is a serious offence in the UK and can lead to a max 4 year jail sentence, I've visited states in the US where strange looking men dressed as action man openly carry assault rifles to the shops! Absolutely mad.

I suspect that many on here have missed that this month is the 27th anniversary of the Dunblane shootings. As a Scot I remember the shocking incident only too well and the grief that followed it. Fortunately we had a sane UK Gov who almost immediately made handguns illegal in the UK. However let's not forget that our very own Boris Blonde Bumbelcunt Johnson argued against it saying 'the handgun ban was like a nanny confiscating toys and a knee-jerk reaction' - what a prick. Automatic and semi automatic weapons are also illegal.

Since 2000 we have had 7 mass shootings in the UK, none involving schools. The US have had c130 mass shootings in 2023 alone, many in schools. Anyone who argues that gun availability doesnt lead to more deaths by shooting is just plain deluded.

More people die of suicide by shooting in the USA than being murdered, a sorry fact often over looked. Giving open access to guns in the US use creates a greater opportunity for ill or dangerous people to kill themselves and/or others more easily. Guns are the problem!

I moved up to Scotland 5 or 6 years ago and recall the first time I drove through Dunblane - even 20-odd years past the shooting the very name still brought chills, just such a horrible event, and infamous across the whole nation.

How Americans don't feel that sense of dread and a commitment to 'never again' after the likes of Sandy Hook is beyond me. Even if you love guns, surely you'd prefer children not to be shot. I simply don't accept that gunowners can't see a correlation or accept the increases in safety that (even minimal) regulatory control would bring, it's simply they don't care enough to be mildly inconvenienced. I'm at a loss as to how you change that mindset.

[Kiwias]

I moved up to Scotland 5 or 6 years ago and recall the first time I drove through Dunblane - even 20-odd years past the shooting the very name still brought chills, just such a horrible event, and infamous across the whole nation.

How Americans don't feel that sense of dread and a commitment to 'never again' after the likes of Sandy Hook is beyond me. Even if you love guns, surely you'd prefer children not to be shot. I simply don't accept that gunowners can't see a correlation or accept the increases in safety that (even minimal) regulatory control would bring, it's simply they don't care enough to be mildly inconvenienced. I'm at a loss as to how you change that mindset.

AFAIK, the reality is that a large majority of gun owners (and members of NRA) actually do support tighter regulations in the form of background checks, enforced waiting periods, smaller magazine sizes, etc.

[dpedin]

Bullying in High School, destroys students lives, can be so intense it leads to them then to not giving a single fuck (as their whole sense of self is crushed) and then leads to them wanting to take revenge.
Eradicate bullying and save lives.

Eradicate bullying, make school a great experience and you won't have so many terrible shootings.

Problem is teachers are into bullying too.

Kids are not mentally developed enough to deal with bullies emotionally, the brain isn't really in not give a fuck mode till you are like 30.

Words are weapons, you don't have real jobs anymore, just English lit grads using verbose abuse as a money earner.

Sometimes think our whole Capitalist, Right Wing, economic system amd Society itself, is held together with personal abuse and bullying. Don't have to look very far to find evidence of this. It happens when a tiny percentage have all the cash and all the opportunities and don't want to give fuck all away, and want to keep it all, with zero moral justifications.

There are a thousand derogatory words for a poor sick and unemployed person and like none for them.

So as bullying is key to this society, it is inevitable that there is going to be lots of distress, lots of misery and lots of "not give a single fuck" style revenge attacks.

In the U.K. kids use Knives, but it's the same disease.

False equivalence!

48,830 deaths by gun in US in 2021 - this includes all deaths inc suicides. Murders were about 20,000. In the UK there was less than 300 murders using a knife. Even allowing for the fact that the US pop is larger (333m v 67m) it is pretty clear that the US gun death problem is on a completely different scale.

Under 18s cannot buy a knife in the UK and carrying one in the UK is also illegal. Stop and search and other police interventions, for all their issues and problems, is about getting knifes off the streets. Carrying a knife is a serious offence in the UK and can lead to a max 4 year jail sentence, I've visited states in the US where strange looking men dressed as action man openly carry assault rifles to the shops! Absolutely mad.

I suspect that many on here have missed that this month is the 27th anniversary of the Dunblane shootings. As a Scot I remember the shocking incident only too well and the grief that followed it. Fortunately we had a sane UK Gov who almost immediately made handguns illegal in the UK. However let's not forget that our very own Boris Blonde Bumbelcunt Johnson argued against it saying 'the handgun ban was like a nanny confiscating toys and a knee-jerk reaction' - what a prick. Automatic and semi automatic weapons are also illegal.

Since 2000 we have had 7 mass shootings in the UK, none involving schools. The US have had c130 mass shootings in 2023 alone, many in schools. Anyone who argues that gun availability doesnt lead to more deaths by shooting is just plain deluded.

More people die of suicide by shooting in the USA than being murdered, a sorry fact often over looked. Giving open access to guns in the US use creates a greater opportunity for ill or dangerous people to kill themselves and/or others more easily. Guns are the problem!

I moved up to Scotland 5 or 6 years ago and recall the first time I drove through Dunblane - even 20-odd years past the shooting the very name still brought chills, just such a horrible event, and infamous across the whole nation.

How Americans don't feel that sense of dread and a commitment to 'never again' after the likes of Sandy Hook is beyond me. Even if you love guns, surely you'd prefer children not to be shot. I simply don't accept that gunowners can't see a correlation or accept the increases in safety that (even minimal) regulatory control would bring, it's simply they don't care enough to be mildly inconvenienced. I'm at a loss as to how you change that mindset.

I had work colleagues who lived in Dunblane and who had kids at the school and who rushed home in a panic when the news broke a shooting. Luckily none were involved. It took some weeks/months to get over the shock. The community was devastated.

A few days after the shooting I was going on a ski holiday. I remember walking into Edinburgh airport shop to buy a magazine and there was a crowd of folk around the newspaper stand looking at front pages - every paper carried the official school photo of the primary class and teacher who were almost all killed in the shooting. No one spoke, everyone just stood their stock still, their heads bowed with tears running down their cheeks. I joined them.

I've never held a gun, fired a gun nor even been in the same room as a gun and never, ever want to be.

[dpedin]

Bullying in High School, destroys students lives, can be so intense it leads to them then to not giving a single fuck (as their whole sense of self is crushed) and then leads to them wanting to take revenge.
Eradicate bullying and save lives.

Eradicate bullying, make school a great experience and you won't have so many terrible shootings.

Problem is teachers are into bullying too.

Kids are not mentally developed enough to deal with bullies emotionally, the brain isn't really in not give a fuck mode till you are like 30.

Words are weapons, you don't have real jobs anymore, just English lit grads using verbose abuse as a money earner.

Sometimes think our whole Capitalist, Right Wing, economic system amd Society itself, is held together with personal abuse and bullying. Don't have to look very far to find evidence of this. It happens when a tiny percentage have all the cash and all the opportunities and don't want to give fuck all away, and want to keep it all, with zero moral justifications.

There are a thousand derogatory words for a poor sick and unemployed person and like none for them.

So as bullying is key to this society, it is inevitable that there is going to be lots of distress, lots of misery and lots of "not give a single fuck" style revenge attacks.

In the U.K. kids use Knives, but it's the same disease.

False equivalence!

48,830 deaths by gun in US in 2021 - this includes all deaths inc suicides. Murders were about 20,000. In the UK there was less than 300 murders using a knife. Even allowing for the fact that the US pop is larger (333m v 67m) it is pretty clear that the US gun death problem is on a completely different scale.

Under 18s cannot buy a knife in the UK and carrying one in the UK is also illegal. Stop and search and other police interventions, for all their issues and problems, is about getting knifes off the streets. Carrying a knife is a serious offence in the UK and can lead to a max 4 year jail sentence, I've visited states in the US where strange looking men dressed as action man openly carry assault rifles to the shops! Absolutely mad.

I suspect that many on here have missed that this month is the 27th anniversary of the Dunblane shootings. As a Scot I remember the shocking incident only too well and the grief that followed it. Fortunately we had a sane UK Gov who almost immediately made handguns illegal in the UK. However let's not forget that our very own Boris Blonde Bumbelcunt Johnson argued against it saying 'the handgun ban was like a nanny confiscating toys and a knee-jerk reaction' - what a prick. Automatic and semi automatic weapons are also illegal.

Since 2000 we have had 7 mass shootings in the UK, none involving schools. The US have had c130 mass shootings in 2023 alone, many in schools. Anyone who argues that gun availability doesnt lead to more deaths by shooting is just plain deluded.

More people die of suicide by shooting in the USA than being murdered, a sorry fact often over looked. Giving open access to guns in the US use creates a greater opportunity for ill or dangerous people to kill themselves and/or others more easily. Guns are the problem!

I moved up to Scotland 5 or 6 years ago and recall the first time I drove through Dunblane - even 20-odd years past the shooting the very name still brought chills, just such a horrible event, and infamous across the whole nation.

How Americans don't feel that sense of dread and a commitment to 'never again' after the likes of Sandy Hook is beyond me. Even if you love guns, surely you'd prefer children not to be shot. I simply don't accept that gunowners can't see a correlation or accept the increases in safety that (even minimal) regulatory control would bring, it's simply they don't care enough to be mildly inconvenienced. I'm at a loss as to how you change that mindset.

I had work colleagues at the time who lived in Dunblane and who had kids at the school and who rushed home in a panic when the news broke of a shooting. Luckily none were involved. It took some weeks/months for them to get over the shock. The community was devastated.

A few days after the shooting I was going on a ski holiday. I remember walking into Edinburgh airport shop to buy a magazine and there was a crowd of folk around the newspaper stand looking at front pages - every paper carried the official school photo of the primary class and teacher who were almost all killed in the shooting. No one spoke, everyone just stood there stock still, their heads bowed with tears running down their cheeks. I joined them.

I've never held a gun, fired a gun nor even been in the same room as a gun and never, ever want to be.

[sockwithaticket]

Not only are they apparently not phased by school shootings or sufficiently bothered that they might accept any restrictions on their freedumb, but those in favour seem dead set on normalising. Whether it's active shooter drills where they don't warn the kids it's a drill, backpacks with a bulletproof plate or changing school layouts to be shooter unfriendly, they will do any and everything to embed the idea that school shootings are just a fact of life to be worked around.

I'm sure some kids blithely ignore it all, but there must be some, particularly high schoolers, who are acutely aware of the fact that any random day could be their turn to be targeted by some nut. It's difficult to fully understand what that sense of general anxiety can do to a psyche and what sort of trauma is being stored up.

Americans are the most medicated people in the developed world and while that's partly a result of big pharma and unscrupulous doctors, I think it's also because they live in the closest thing the developed world has to a hellscape. Between rampant predatory capitalism and generations of kids having graduated under the shadow first cast by Columbine almost a quarter century ago it seems like, on a macro level, their society has been engineered to break people.

[Sandstorm]

As sure as night follows day, the despicable piece of shit posts her usual "it's not the guns fault"..

Watching that video again and how the shooter moves, it's clear that Gaming is responsible for all the problems here. Ban Playstation!

[Jim Lahey]

As sure as night follows day, the despicable piece of shit posts her usual "it's not the guns fault"..

Watching that video again and how the shooter moves, it's clear that Gaming is responsible for all the problems here. Ban Playstation!

Would probably help with the obesity problem as well

[Prembore]

I think I know more than most as, as a young, mutant ninja hero guitar player music student, I actually toured South Wales Schools..with an anti bullying rock opera back in 1991 for 3 months, doing 3 shows a day.

[Slick]

Bullying in High School, destroys students lives, can be so intense it leads to them then to not giving a single fuck (as their whole sense of self is crushed) and then leads to them wanting to take revenge.
Eradicate bullying and save lives.

Eradicate bullying, make school a great experience and you won't have so many terrible shootings.

Problem is teachers are into bullying too.

Kids are not mentally developed enough to deal with bullies emotionally, the brain isn't really in not give a fuck mode till you are like 30.

Words are weapons, you don't have real jobs anymore, just English lit grads using verbose abuse as a money earner.

Sometimes think our whole Capitalist, Right Wing, economic system amd Society itself, is held together with personal abuse and bullying. Don't have to look very far to find evidence of this. It happens when a tiny percentage have all the cash and all the opportunities and don't want to give fuck all away, and want to keep it all, with zero moral justifications.

There are a thousand derogatory words for a poor sick and unemployed person and like none for them.

So as bullying is key to this society, it is inevitable that there is going to be lots of distress, lots of misery and lots of "not give a single fuck" style revenge attacks.

In the U.K. kids use Knives, but it's the same disease.

False equivalence!

48,830 deaths by gun in US in 2021 - this includes all deaths inc suicides. Murders were about 20,000. In the UK there was less than 300 murders using a knife. Even allowing for the fact that the US pop is larger (333m v 67m) it is pretty clear that the US gun death problem is on a completely different scale.

Under 18s cannot buy a knife in the UK and carrying one in the UK is also illegal. Stop and search and other police interventions, for all their issues and problems, is about getting knifes off the streets. Carrying a knife is a serious offence in the UK and can lead to a max 4 year jail sentence, I've visited states in the US where strange looking men dressed as action man openly carry assault rifles to the shops! Absolutely mad.

I suspect that many on here have missed that this month is the 27th anniversary of the Dunblane shootings. As a Scot I remember the shocking incident only too well and the grief that followed it. Fortunately we had a sane UK Gov who almost immediately made handguns illegal in the UK. However let's not forget that our very own Boris Blonde Bumbelcunt Johnson argued against it saying 'the handgun ban was like a nanny confiscating toys and a knee-jerk reaction' - what a prick. Automatic and semi automatic weapons are also illegal.

Since 2000 we have had 7 mass shootings in the UK, none involving schools. The US have had c130 mass shootings in 2023 alone, many in schools. Anyone who argues that gun availability doesnt lead to more deaths by shooting is just plain deluded.

More people die of suicide by shooting in the USA than being murdered, a sorry fact often over looked. Giving open access to guns in the US use creates a greater opportunity for ill or dangerous people to kill themselves and/or others more easily. Guns are the problem!

I moved up to Scotland 5 or 6 years ago and recall the first time I drove through Dunblane - even 20-odd years past the shooting the very name still brought chills, just such a horrible event, and infamous across the whole nation.

How Americans don't feel that sense of dread and a commitment to 'never again' after the likes of Sandy Hook is beyond me. Even if you love guns, surely you'd prefer children not to be shot. I simply don't accept that gunowners can't see a correlation or accept the increases in safety that (even minimal) regulatory control would bring, it's simply they don't care enough to be mildly inconvenienced. I'm at a loss as to how you change that mindset.

We went up there for the first time a few months back and agree with everything you say. When I saw the memorial in the church I just burst into tears

[Sandstorm]

I think I know more than most as, as a young, mutant ninja hero guitar player music student, I actually toured South Wales Schools..with an anti bullying rock opera back in 1991 for 3 months, doing 3 shows a day.

[inactionman]

I moved up to Scotland 5 or 6 years ago and recall the first time I drove through Dunblane - even 20-odd years past the shooting the very name still brought chills, just such a horrible event, and infamous across the whole nation.

How Americans don't feel that sense of dread and a commitment to 'never again' after the likes of Sandy Hook is beyond me. Even if you love guns, surely you'd prefer children not to be shot. I simply don't accept that gunowners can't see a correlation or accept the increases in safety that (even minimal) regulatory control would bring, it's simply they don't care enough to be mildly inconvenienced. I'm at a loss as to how you change that mindset.

AFAIK, the reality is that a large majority of gun owners (and members of NRA) actually do support tighter regulations in the form of background checks, enforced waiting periods, smaller magazine sizes, etc.

You are correct to call that out - I should really have qualified that it's the people who actively block change, despite kids being slaughtered, that I reserve my ire for.

I don't doubt that a huge number of Americans who are keen to retain access to guns also support measures to stop guns being used to murder people. The problem appears, to this outsider at least, that these moderates (if that's the right phrase) are relatively passive and idiots like Marjorie whatever-her-chops-is are shouting louder.

[Simian]

Tbf, I think if you just focused on gun control you'd miss some causes. It's definitely a factor but the US has gone batshit in the last 20 years so I'd say it's also more and more people being disenfranchised by the way society has gone. There's just too much shit to deal with for some.

Plenty of guns in Canada as well but way less gun deaths.

Canada has ~35 guns per hundred people (at the high end internationally). US has ~120 guns per hundred people.

I think it’s unlikely that the US being a huge outlier in terms of how common both guns and mass shootings are is a coincidence. (Not suggesting you said it was. My pout is just that, even compared to countries where guns are common, guns are a LOT more common in the US)

[geordie_6]

The Republican representative of the district where the shootings took place was "utterly heartbroken"

Tennessee representative Andrew Ogles, who represents the district where the Covenant school is located, said he was “utterly heartbroken” over the shooting in a statement released on Monday, reported the Washington Post.

This was Christmas card he sent out last year

I've a few mates who almost live for scuba diving, it would be weird for them to send a Christmas card with picture of them in wetsuits.

It's just a really odd thing to do, before you even factor in the fact it's kids holding guns.

He hasn't had the strength to stand by his arse backward convictions either, since the shooting in Nashville the photo has apparently been deleted from his social media.

[Uncle fester]

Tbf, I think if you just focused on gun control you'd miss some causes. It's definitely a factor but the US has gone batshit in the last 20 years so I'd say it's also more and more people being disenfranchised by the way society has gone. There's just too much shit to deal with for some.

Plenty of guns in Canada as well but way less gun deaths.

Canada has ~35 guns per hundred people (at the high end internationally). US has ~120 guns per hundred people.

I think it’s unlikely that the US being a huge outlier in terms of how common both guns and mass shootings are is a coincidence. (Not suggesting you said it was. My pout is just that, even compared to countries where guns are common, guns are a LOT more common in the US)

So approx a quarter of the guns in Canada that they have in the US. I'd be willing to bet Canadian gun deaths are well before a quarter of US gun deaths though.

It's a bit chicken and egg. Too many guns is a problem but also the yanks especially need to be kept away from guns.

[sockwithaticket]

I suspect the excessive amount of guns per capita in the US reflects factors that explain huge discrepencies in rates of gun deaths like general attitudes towards firearms and the gun culture of the US various other fairly armed countries. For example the Swiss have a fair number of guns, but that ownership is generally geared towards target shooting and the culture is that they have a very specific time and place of use vs. certain parts of America where many of them think they should be allowed to carry a semi-auto rifle to go pick up coffee just because. And of course those with the collections we've been discussing who make possessing weapons an integral part of their identity rather than it simply being an object they possess like a hammer or step ladder.

[TB63]

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[sockwithaticket]

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That one I've definitely seen before and it always springs to mind when we talk about Yanks with absurd amounts of guns. Quite aside from the practicality of having such a number, think about how much it must all cost! You could go on a few decent holidays at least for the amount invested into that collection.

[Sinkers]

I had a little look at this a while ago.
Not rocket science and I’m sure not new news to anyone, but there’s a really, really, really clear and obvious correlation between:
- gun deaths and lax state gun laws
- lax gun laws and gop states
I think the only outlier is New Mexico as a dem state.

Seriously, a 5 year old could see it. And yet…..

[Sandstorm]

Should spend his money on re-surfacing that shitty deck.

[dpedin]

I suspect the excessive amount of guns per capita in the US reflects factors that explain huge discrepencies in rates of gun deaths like general attitudes towards firearms and the gun culture of the US various other fairly armed countries. For example the Swiss have a fair number of guns, but that ownership is generally geared towards target shooting and the culture is that they have a very specific time and place of use vs. certain parts of America where many of them think they should be allowed to carry a semi-auto rifle to go pick up coffee just because. And of course those with the collections we've been discussing who make possessing weapons an integral part of their identity rather than it simply being an object they possess like a hammer or step ladder.

Swiss gun ownership is also tied into military service and it used to be, not sure if still the case, that military rifles were stored in individuals houses. Many weapons are banned and there are strict laws around ownership and use. The Swiss death rate due to gun ownership is very low as a result.

[Raggs]

I suspect the excessive amount of guns per capita in the US reflects factors that explain huge discrepencies in rates of gun deaths like general attitudes towards firearms and the gun culture of the US various other fairly armed countries. For example the Swiss have a fair number of guns, but that ownership is generally geared towards target shooting and the culture is that they have a very specific time and place of use vs. certain parts of America where many of them think they should be allowed to carry a semi-auto rifle to go pick up coffee just because. And of course those with the collections we've been discussing who make possessing weapons an integral part of their identity rather than it simply being an object they possess like a hammer or step ladder.

Swiss gun ownership is also tied into military service and it used to be, not sure if still the case, that military rifles were stored in individuals houses. Many weapons are banned and there are strict laws around ownership and use. The Swiss death rate due to gun ownership is very low as a result.

Think there were ( or maybe still are) laws about where ammo is stored as well. Completely separate location.

[Gumboot]

All very well, but...

[tabascoboy]

Here we go again

Police in Louisville, Kentucky, have confirmed that at least five people have been killed in a shooting in the city.

An additional six people have been injured and taken to local hospitals, including a police officer.

Members of the public have been asked to stay away from a part of East Main.

Video from the area appears to show heavily armed police cordoning off a commercial property in the area.

In a brief news conference, Louisville Police said that officers responding to the report encountered active gunfire.

The shooter is dead. It is unclear what led to his death.

News footage from the scene shows a heavy police presence, with damaged glass and discarded medical equipment at one location.

FBI agents responded to the scene and are helping local police, the bureau said on Twitter.

On Twitter, Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear said he was headed to the scene of the shooting.

"Please pray for all of the families impacted and for the city of Louisville," he added.

The city's mayor, Craig Greenberg, also arrived in the area shortly after the shooting.

The incident happened in Louisville's downtown area, close to the Louisville Slugger Field baseball stadium and several blocks from the Kentucky International Convention Centre and Muhammad Ali Centre.

"I was at the stoplight, and the first thing that I saw - there was a guy across the street at the intersection and he was lying down at the entrance to a hotel," an eyewitness told local Fox affiliate WDRB.

Louisville, Kentucky shooting: Five people dead, police say

[Niegs]

Apparently it's a mental health problem ... but they be fcuked if taxes gonna pay for that... so...

But it's most definitely NOT the guns and defiant attitudes boosted by being allowed to carry a gun.

[tabascoboy]

They seem to be suggesting it was an ex-employee of the bank, yet another disgruntled act of revenge? Nothing to do with ease of access to guns of course...

[bogbunny]

Here we go again

Police in Louisville, Kentucky, have confirmed that at least five people have been killed in a shooting in the city.

An additional six people have been injured and taken to local hospitals, including a police officer.

Members of the public have been asked to stay away from a part of East Main.

Video from the area appears to show heavily armed police cordoning off a commercial property in the area.

In a brief news conference, Louisville Police said that officers responding to the report encountered active gunfire.

The shooter is dead. It is unclear what led to his death.

News footage from the scene shows a heavy police presence, with damaged glass and discarded medical equipment at one location.

FBI agents responded to the scene and are helping local police, the bureau said on Twitter.

On Twitter, Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear said he was headed to the scene of the shooting.

"Please pray for all of the families impacted and for the city of Louisville," he added.

The city's mayor, Craig Greenberg, also arrived in the area shortly after the shooting.

The incident happened in Louisville's downtown area, close to the Louisville Slugger Field baseball stadium and several blocks from the Kentucky International Convention Centre and Muhammad Ali Centre.

"I was at the stoplight, and the first thing that I saw - there was a guy across the street at the intersection and he was lying down at the entrance to a hotel," an eyewitness told local Fox affiliate WDRB.

Louisville, Kentucky shooting: Five people dead, police say

You are obviously praying to the wrong God you red neck asshole

[Kiwias]

#146 mass shooting this year (mass being four or more victims).

[Guy Smiley]

#146 mass shooting this year (mass being four or more victims).

This is week 15 of the year.

[Kiwias]

#146 mass shooting this year (mass being four or more victims).

This is week 15 of the year.

Falling below the 10 per week mark.

[dpedin]

#146 mass shooting this year (mass being four or more victims).

This is week 15 of the year.

Falling below the 10 per week mark.

Poor - they need to up their game! Perhaps coaches Trump or DeSantis will give them a good talking to and get the passion and desire back into their game?

[Kiwias]

This is week 15 of the year.

Falling below the 10 per week mark.

Poor - they need to up their game! Perhaps coaches Trump or DeSantis will give them a good talking to and get the passion and desire back into their game?

We haven't heard much from old Wayne at the NRA lately. He needs to sharpen up his game.

[Slick]

I’m sure I just correctly read that the AR15 that the gunman bought last week to kill those people will now be auctioned off to the public……

I just laugh these days

[fishfoodie]

I’m sure I just correctly read that the AR15 that the gunman bought last week to kill those people will now be auctioned off to the public……

I just laugh these days

You can just imagine the kind of sober, level headed individual that would buy a mass-murders rifle

[Hugo]

I’m sure I just correctly read that the AR15 that the gunman bought last week to kill those people will now be auctioned off to the public……

I just laugh these days

Fucking hell, that's abysmal. These are dystopic times indeed.

[Slick]

I’m sure I just correctly read that the AR15 that the gunman bought last week to kill those people will now be auctioned off to the public……

I just laugh these days

Fucking hell, that's abysmal. These are dystopic times indeed.

Apparently that’s what they do routinely with guns the police seize, illegal or otherwise. Get guns off the street then sell them back, utter madness

[Jim Lahey]

You would laugh at the (lack of) logic if weren't likely to be used eventually to gun down a few 9 year old kids, or innocent people going about their day.

What an utterly fucked country.