Starship launch..
Scrubbed..using it as a full set dress rehearsal now, countdown will stop at 10 secs..
If it was in Russia, who knows what a stray cigarette might do...
If it was in Russia, who knows what a stray cigarette might do...
I love watching little children running and screaming, playing hide and seek in the playground.
They don't know I'm using blanks..
They don't know I'm using blanks..
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Best case the thing smashed into the ocean downrange anyway - I think he will be reasonably pleased with what happened. Got almost two minutes of flight data and the launchpad is intact.Ymx wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:42 pm Musk didn’t look best pleased.
You wouldn’t be though, would you. How many billion did that cost him.
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This one wasn't going to land anyway
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My guess is it was self destructed.tc27 wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:43 pm Wonder if the range officer self destructed it once it went out of control.
Lost a couple of engines on the way up to.
Typical space X destructive testing.
Losing a couple of engines - oh well, only 31 left.
Designed as an expensive firework then?
Mission accomplished
All the money you made will never buy back your soul
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Well I think it was supposed to end up in the oceanYmx wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:23 pmDesigned as an expensive firework then?
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Slick wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:33 pmMission accomplished

It landed in a fair few different zip codes.
But hey, they learned a lot!!!
SpaceX's approach to design and testing is to build it and try it out and expect most of the first versions to blow up or fail. Starship is the biggest rocket ever built and is pushing the envelope of design in many areas.
Secondly SpaceX/Musk where saying before this that just clearing the launch tower would be a success with this first version.
Easy to mock the failures but Space X absolutely now dominates the commercial and manned launch market with Falcon 9 which went through the same process.
Elon is a dick but SpaceX is very much a success and what happened today was a part of their process.
Secondly SpaceX/Musk where saying before this that just clearing the launch tower would be a success with this first version.
Easy to mock the failures but Space X absolutely now dominates the commercial and manned launch market with Falcon 9 which went through the same process.
Elon is a dick but SpaceX is very much a success and what happened today was a part of their process.
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Must be nice having the money to (literally) burn.tc27 wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:56 pm SpaceX's approach to design and testing is to build it and try it out and expect most of the first versions to blow up or fail. Starship is the biggest rocket ever built and is pushing the envelope of design in many areas.
Secondly SpaceX/Musk where saying before this that just clearing the launch tower would be a success with this first version.
Easy to mock the failures but Space X absolutely now dominates the commercial and manned launch market with Falcon 9 which went through the same process.
Elon is a dick but SpaceX is very much a success and what happened today was a part of their process.
Which is what sets Musk apart - his ability to raise credit is utterly incredible.
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He has a strong track record of successfully disrupting existing markets and making huge wodges of cash. That's about as good as it gets for investors.inactionman wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:01 pmMust be nice having the money to (literally) burn.tc27 wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:56 pm SpaceX's approach to design and testing is to build it and try it out and expect most of the first versions to blow up or fail. Starship is the biggest rocket ever built and is pushing the envelope of design in many areas.
Secondly SpaceX/Musk where saying before this that just clearing the launch tower would be a success with this first version.
Easy to mock the failures but Space X absolutely now dominates the commercial and manned launch market with Falcon 9 which went through the same process.
Elon is a dick but SpaceX is very much a success and what happened today was a part of their process.
Which is what sets Musk apart - his ability to raise credit is utterly incredible.
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It took a while for that to happen - and he got a lot more leeway than pretty much any other person/company in the engineering world that I've ever seen. He didn't have a huge record before tesla, but he got the investors bought in.Dinsdale Piranha wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:14 pmHe has a strong track record of successfully disrupting existing markets and making huge wodges of cash. That's about as good as it gets for investors.inactionman wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:01 pmMust be nice having the money to (literally) burn.tc27 wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:56 pm SpaceX's approach to design and testing is to build it and try it out and expect most of the first versions to blow up or fail. Starship is the biggest rocket ever built and is pushing the envelope of design in many areas.
Secondly SpaceX/Musk where saying before this that just clearing the launch tower would be a success with this first version.
Easy to mock the failures but Space X absolutely now dominates the commercial and manned launch market with Falcon 9 which went through the same process.
Elon is a dick but SpaceX is very much a success and what happened today was a part of their process.
Which is what sets Musk apart - his ability to raise credit is utterly incredible.
That's really his trick - he took the loss-leading, crazy cash-waving world of silicon valley investment and got it to apply to more traditional engineering. It pisses me a off a bit, I'm an engineer by trade and so many of the best ideas I've worked on have been kyboshed by inability to finance/see a pretty near-term ROI. He in no way, shape or form invented any of the things he's doing, just got money to back them at huge scale, but on the flipside it's always inspiring to see what can be done.
Shame he's a dick, but maybe it needed a dick to get it done.
Think they need a stronger launchpad.
The engines made a big crater in the launch pad and sent chunks of concrete flying.
https://twitter.com/SemrauDylan/status/ ... 64293?s=20
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1649062784167030785
Reports that some of the bits of launchpad disabled some of the engines.
and there is this better view
https://twitter.com/LabPadre/status/164 ... 97440?s=20
The engines made a big crater in the launch pad and sent chunks of concrete flying.
https://twitter.com/SemrauDylan/status/ ... 64293?s=20
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1649062784167030785
Reports that some of the bits of launchpad disabled some of the engines.
and there is this better view
https://twitter.com/LabPadre/status/164 ... 97440?s=20
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Exactly this.inactionman wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:26 pmIt took a while for that to happen - and he got a lot more leeway than pretty much any other person/company in the engineering world that I've ever seen. He didn't have a huge record before tesla, but he got the investors bought in.Dinsdale Piranha wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:14 pmHe has a strong track record of successfully disrupting existing markets and making huge wodges of cash. That's about as good as it gets for investors.inactionman wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:01 pm
Must be nice having the money to (literally) burn.
Which is what sets Musk apart - his ability to raise credit is utterly incredible.
That's really his trick - he took the loss-leading, crazy cash-waving world of silicon valley investment and got it to apply to more traditional engineering. It pisses me a off a bit, I'm an engineer by trade and so many of the best ideas I've worked on have been kyboshed by inability to finance/see a pretty near-term ROI. He in no way, shape or form invented any of the things he's doing, just got money to back them at huge scale, but on the flipside it's always inspiring to see what can be done.
Shame he's a dick, but maybe it needed a dick to get it done.
Silicon Valley investors are looking for technology that will either completely disrupt an existing market or create a new one. It's all grand vision stuff. You only need one of these to be successful to cover the costs of many, many failures.
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world around him; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man" - George Bernard Shaw.
They are going to have to do major work on that launchpad - big flame trench and water suppression systems.Glaston wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:57 pm Think they need a stronger launchpad.
The engines made a big crater in the launch pad and sent chunks of concrete flying.
https://twitter.com/SemrauDylan/status/ ... 64293?s=20
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1649062784167030785
Reports that some of the bits of launchpad disabled some of the engines.
and there is this better view
https://twitter.com/LabPadre/status/164 ... 97440?s=20
You can think Musk is a twat but not misunderstand how Space X test stuff.EnergiseR2 wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 4:57 pm Musk lads are fusking hilarious. He blows up the launch pad, surrounding vehicles and the actual rocket vehicle itself. Comments: Wow bro can't believe you pulled it off
Ehhhhh lads
https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/04 ... a-success/
It was Musk's decision to not have a flame trench.tc27 wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 4:16 pmThey are going to have to do major work on that launchpad - big flame trench and water suppression systems.Glaston wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:57 pm Think they need a stronger launchpad.
The engines made a big crater in the launch pad and sent chunks of concrete flying.
https://twitter.com/SemrauDylan/status/ ... 64293?s=20
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1649062784167030785
Reports that some of the bits of launchpad disabled some of the engines.
and there is this better view
https://twitter.com/LabPadre/status/164 ... 97440?s=20
Taking out the launchpad was very much not the plan so it's never not funny watching people fall off themselves to agree with the apparent success of the mission
One good thread about what is used at the kourou Space port. the cost cutting will end up an expensive oneJM2K6 wrote: Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:25 amIt was Musk's decision to not have a flame trench.tc27 wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 4:16 pmThey are going to have to do major work on that launchpad - big flame trench and water suppression systems.Glaston wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:57 pm Think they need a stronger launchpad.
The engines made a big crater in the launch pad and sent chunks of concrete flying.
https://twitter.com/SemrauDylan/status/ ... 64293?s=20
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1649062784167030785
Reports that some of the bits of launchpad disabled some of the engines.
and there is this better view
https://twitter.com/LabPadre/status/164 ... 97440?s=20
Taking out the launchpad was very much not the plan so it's never not funny watching people fall off themselves to agree with the apparent success of the mission
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and completely in keeping with his being an arrogant twat, & deciding that he, ALWAYS, knew better that others, even if they'd been doing it for decades.JM2K6 wrote: Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:25 amIt was Musk's decision to not have a flame trench.tc27 wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 4:16 pmThey are going to have to do major work on that launchpad - big flame trench and water suppression systems.Glaston wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:57 pm Think they need a stronger launchpad.
The engines made a big crater in the launch pad and sent chunks of concrete flying.
https://twitter.com/SemrauDylan/status/ ... 64293?s=20
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1649062784167030785
Reports that some of the bits of launchpad disabled some of the engines.
and there is this better view
https://twitter.com/LabPadre/status/164 ... 97440?s=20
Taking out the launchpad was very much not the plan so it's never not funny watching people fall off themselves to agree with the apparent success of the mission
It's the same with the shit quality standards of Tesla, because he decided he knew better than the Japanese car manufacturers
My bet would be it's a planning permission issue.
At one time he didn't have permission for what has been built there, he got permission for something minimal then ignored the law and built whatever. I don't know if that was ever resolved. But if he starts building more and diverting water sources, there'll be planning implications. The additional planning problem is he decided to build all this in the middle of a nature reserve.
The floating launch platform seemed mostly about avoiding planning law.
At one time he didn't have permission for what has been built there, he got permission for something minimal then ignored the law and built whatever. I don't know if that was ever resolved. But if he starts building more and diverting water sources, there'll be planning implications. The additional planning problem is he decided to build all this in the middle of a nature reserve.
The floating launch platform seemed mostly about avoiding planning law.