Stop voting for fucking Tories

[Torquemada 1420]

****s turning on themselves

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65496536

[fishfoodie]

Continued list of woes for the Tories with more losses although they did gain Slough - which seems to have been very much contested on local issues after some serious Labour mismanagement. However the Tories have all the same managed very slightly better than in 2013 so no certainty the results would be reflected in a GE defeat since there is no longer UKIP to take votes on the right to the extent of 2015.

Not a time yet for any complacency by the looks of it, and I can see some sort of informal pact in key seats being needed for a new government.

I’m guessing that’ll happen. Contrarily will it be likelier if Labour aren’t seen as a sure bet for an overall majority? I feel a bit sorry for Starmer with all this stuff about Labour not being on course for an overall majority. All the talk after 2019 was it would take them a couple of GE’s to get back into touching distance. Notwithstanding the Tories’ cockups.

Lib Dems and, latterly, the Greens always do well in local elections if the Tories are suffering, but that doesn't translate into GE seats.

The rivers of shit are a real boon for the Greens.

[tabascoboy]

****s turning on themselves

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65496536

It's going to be revealing how the official CCHQ line plays out, my bet is on words to the effect of "the public don't understand what we are trying to do, so we have to do it stronger and harder", because arrogance won't let them think they can possibly be screwing things up by bigging up culture wars and the like instead of the things that are really hurting people.

My town wards have kicked out at least a couple more Tories but sadly the "blue wall" of the rural villages is keeping them in control of the borough as a whole

[tabascoboy]

I hope quite a few Tory MPs will be sleeping uneasily tonight

[_Os_]

In a sense I wonder if a Labour/LD coalition or confidence agreement could be the best outcome - I am pretty much convinced we need electoral reform to stop another FPTP elected government headed by a leader who thinks they are a President.

I hope the LDs just insist of Electoral Reform as a condition of any agreement - no referendum or watered down proposal like in 2011.

Lib Dems are only 'strong' in the south of England (and in Scottish Islands, but that's not many seats) and particularly the South West. They're going to have to do a lot more damage to the Tories than is likely and Labour will have to underperform on their current polling/these local elections, for Labour to need them. Journalists/media pundits also aren't factoring in the possibility Labour could return to some degree in Scotland, if so that obviously means they need less from England. These results are showing Labour strengthening in the north and the Tories weakening in the south, which is Labour majority territory.

I agree that FPTP needs to go, and the best form of governance is a solid coalition however it's structured (the different parts of the coalition keeping the others honest). The only time the electoral system will change is when Labour cannot secure a majority and need other non-Tory parties long term, if Starmer needs the Lib Dems in some arrangement he would likely favour a fresh election and another shot at what Johnson termed being "the fucking Fuhrer around here", than PR and giving up on being "Fuhrer". It has to be a long term structural situation where there can never be another Labour "Fuhrer". The right is too concentrated in the Tory party for any incentive for change to come from there, FPTP will keep sending the Tories back in as long as they can monopolise the right (one reading of everything since 2016, was it was all about the Tories trying to eat UKIP and keep the right united).

The only other road I can see to ditching FPTP is if the Lords is elected using a different system, and it became uncontroversial that whatever system used is better than for the Commons.

[_Os_]

It's going to be revealing how the official CCHQ line plays out, my bet is on words to the effect of "the public don't understand what we are trying to do, so we have to do it stronger and harder", because arrogance won't let them think they can possibly be screwing things up by bigging up culture wars and the like instead of the things that are really hurting people.

It's going to be revealing and a strong indication of what happens if they lose their majority in a GE. Large MRP polls aren't done often, it's a new polling method, but it has proven itself to be accurate at predicting numbers of seats (within 30 seats or so). All the recent MRP polling has shown the Tories recording their worst ever result going back to the 17th century. They've essentially shown the Tories almost dying. I think it's so outside anyone's frame of reference that no one mentions it or takes it seriously.

But if we just stick to the Tories losing their majority. They have absorbed UKIP as they set out to do. Their membership now has a large swivel eyed component, hence Liz Truss getting anywhere beyond councillor/backbench level. To become viable again, these same Tory members and whatever MPs they have left, will have to pilot the Tories back to a pre-2016 position with economics that actually have some chance of working. The alternative is the Republican party route and becoming more insane and unelectable.

At some point everything they've done is going to hit them at the polls (this has already started), then it's going to keep hitting them until they stop.

[Insane_Homer]

I'd personally like to thank all the people out there who read this thread and heeded the OP title and didn't vote for the cunts. good job

Just one more, overdue, battering to come, keep up the good work.

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[tabascoboy]

I'd personally like to thank all the people out there who read this thread and heeded the OP title and didn't vote for the cunts. good job

Just one more, overdue, battering to come, keep up the good work.

You're welcome

Amazed, in my Borough Tories have lost control for first time in what must be decades and it's now NOC.

Read that Tories would consider 700 lost seats as tolerable, now there are over 1 000!

[Paddington Bear]

It's going to be revealing how the official CCHQ line plays out, my bet is on words to the effect of "the public don't understand what we are trying to do, so we have to do it stronger and harder", because arrogance won't let them think they can possibly be screwing things up by bigging up culture wars and the like instead of the things that are really hurting people.

It's going to be revealing and a strong indication of what happens if they lose their majority in a GE. Large MRP polls aren't done often, it's a new polling method, but it has proven itself to be accurate at predicting numbers of seats (within 30 seats or so). All the recent MRP polling has shown the Tories recording their worst ever result going back to the 17th century. They've essentially shown the Tories almost dying. I think it's so outside anyone's frame of reference that no one mentions it or takes it seriously.

But if we just stick to the Tories losing their majority. They have absorbed UKIP as they set out to do. Their membership now has a large swivel eyed component, hence Liz Truss getting anywhere beyond councillor/backbench level. To become viable again, these same Tory members and whatever MPs they have left, will have to pilot the Tories back to a pre-2016 position with economics that actually have some chance of working. The alternative is the Republican party route and becoming more insane and unelectable.

At some point everything they've done is going to hit them at the polls (this has already started), then it's going to keep hitting them until they stop.

An underrated issue beyond seats they will likely lose at the next election is seats like mine. Fairly affluent suburbia that has returned massive majorities, drifting away from them and they’ll have to campaign here, taking resources away from marginals

[fishfoodie]

It's going to be revealing how the official CCHQ line plays out, my bet is on words to the effect of "the public don't understand what we are trying to do, so we have to do it stronger and harder", because arrogance won't let them think they can possibly be screwing things up by bigging up culture wars and the like instead of the things that are really hurting people.

It's going to be revealing and a strong indication of what happens if they lose their majority in a GE. Large MRP polls aren't done often, it's a new polling method, but it has proven itself to be accurate at predicting numbers of seats (within 30 seats or so). All the recent MRP polling has shown the Tories recording their worst ever result going back to the 17th century. They've essentially shown the Tories almost dying. I think it's so outside anyone's frame of reference that no one mentions it or takes it seriously.

But if we just stick to the Tories losing their majority. They have absorbed UKIP as they set out to do. Their membership now has a large swivel eyed component, hence Liz Truss getting anywhere beyond councillor/backbench level. To become viable again, these same Tory members and whatever MPs they have left, will have to pilot the Tories back to a pre-2016 position with economics that actually have some chance of working. The alternative is the Republican party route and becoming more insane and unelectable.

At some point everything they've done is going to hit them at the polls (this has already started), then it's going to keep hitting them until they stop.

An underrated issue beyond seats they will likely lose at the next election is seats like mine. Fairly affluent suburbia that has returned massive majorities, drifting away from them and they’ll have to campaign here, taking resources away from marginals

Do you've any read as to what's driven the dissatisfaction in your area ?

It's always risky using locals as indicators of anything much, but this time it really does seem no Tory is safe.

[Paddington Bear]

It's going to be revealing and a strong indication of what happens if they lose their majority in a GE. Large MRP polls aren't done often, it's a new polling method, but it has proven itself to be accurate at predicting numbers of seats (within 30 seats or so). All the recent MRP polling has shown the Tories recording their worst ever result going back to the 17th century. They've essentially shown the Tories almost dying. I think it's so outside anyone's frame of reference that no one mentions it or takes it seriously.

But if we just stick to the Tories losing their majority. They have absorbed UKIP as they set out to do. Their membership now has a large swivel eyed component, hence Liz Truss getting anywhere beyond councillor/backbench level. To become viable again, these same Tory members and whatever MPs they have left, will have to pilot the Tories back to a pre-2016 position with economics that actually have some chance of working. The alternative is the Republican party route and becoming more insane and unelectable.

At some point everything they've done is going to hit them at the polls (this has already started), then it's going to keep hitting them until they stop.

An underrated issue beyond seats they will likely lose at the next election is seats like mine. Fairly affluent suburbia that has returned massive majorities, drifting away from them and they’ll have to campaign here, taking resources away from marginals

Do you've any read as to what's driven the dissatisfaction in your area ?

It's always risky using locals as indicators of anything much, but this time it really does seem no Tory is safe.

Brexit was the starting point for a lot of people, but what’s ratcheting it up is the general sense of shambles IMO. And yes you can read too much into the locals (my district council is Lib Dem, has been for yonks and yet with a Tory MP the whole time) but the direction of travel is pretty clear

[_Os_]

It's going to be revealing how the official CCHQ line plays out, my bet is on words to the effect of "the public don't understand what we are trying to do, so we have to do it stronger and harder", because arrogance won't let them think they can possibly be screwing things up by bigging up culture wars and the like instead of the things that are really hurting people.

It's going to be revealing and a strong indication of what happens if they lose their majority in a GE. Large MRP polls aren't done often, it's a new polling method, but it has proven itself to be accurate at predicting numbers of seats (within 30 seats or so). All the recent MRP polling has shown the Tories recording their worst ever result going back to the 17th century. They've essentially shown the Tories almost dying. I think it's so outside anyone's frame of reference that no one mentions it or takes it seriously.

But if we just stick to the Tories losing their majority. They have absorbed UKIP as they set out to do. Their membership now has a large swivel eyed component, hence Liz Truss getting anywhere beyond councillor/backbench level. To become viable again, these same Tory members and whatever MPs they have left, will have to pilot the Tories back to a pre-2016 position with economics that actually have some chance of working. The alternative is the Republican party route and becoming more insane and unelectable.

At some point everything they've done is going to hit them at the polls (this has already started), then it's going to keep hitting them until they stop.

An underrated issue beyond seats they will likely lose at the next election is seats like mine. Fairly affluent suburbia that has returned massive majorities, drifting away from them and they’ll have to campaign here, taking resources away from marginals

Yes, and it works the other way too. Which is why I included the Bath and North East Somerset result in the list the Tories should worry about.

Bath is now likely a safe Lib Dem seat (a rare thing), so that strong Lib Dem branch will be able to dispatch activists to neighbouring constituencies. Bath and North East Somerset council has two Westminster seats, Bath (Lib Dem, Hobhouse) and North East Somerset (Con, Rees-Mogg). Rees-Mogg has a 10K+ majority but if the non-Tory vote wasn't split over Labour/Lib Dems/Greens, then that majority starts getting very small. Because it's Rees-Mogg activists will definitely want to try there even if there's a small chance. A better place to go would be Cheltenham where the Tory majority is under 1000, a proper marginal. Oxford West and Abingdon (Lib Dem, Moran) is also likely a safe Lib Dem seat for the next GE, so if Johnson tries to jump into the safe Tory seat of Henley next door he's going to be find himself more pressured than he thought (for the same reason Rees-Mogg will). Stratford-on-Avon (Con, Nadhim Zahawi) is in the middle of all this and has flipped from a Tory council to a Lib Dem council, and although it's a massive 20k majority for Zahawi, the guy is carrying a lot of negatives (just like Rees-Mogg and Johnson).

Leaning into the Tories is going to be good for the Lib Dems in the next GE. Even some safe Tory seats could find themselves fighting with everything they've got to hang on. The problem for the Lib Dems is they probably don't keep the new voters long term, but that's a nice problem to have I guess.

I watched Channel 4 News and Sky News this evening. All the journalists were saying this indicates a hung parliament, then they put their numbers up, and they've taken the percentage of the vote this local election and mapped it onto all 650 Westminster seats. But the Lib Dems are polling at 10%-ish UK wide and not 18%, and obviously independents aren't going to be getting 20%+. It seems like the media have forgotten this is only most of England outside London. Wales/Scotland/London are going to be adding a lot to Labour and very little to the Tories. This result indicates a Labour majority more than any other outcome imo.

[C69]

It's going to be revealing and a strong indication of what happens if they lose their majority in a GE. Large MRP polls aren't done often, it's a new polling method, but it has proven itself to be accurate at predicting numbers of seats (within 30 seats or so). All the recent MRP polling has shown the Tories recording their worst ever result going back to the 17th century. They've essentially shown the Tories almost dying. I think it's so outside anyone's frame of reference that no one mentions it or takes it seriously.

But if we just stick to the Tories losing their majority. They have absorbed UKIP as they set out to do. Their membership now has a large swivel eyed component, hence Liz Truss getting anywhere beyond councillor/backbench level. To become viable again, these same Tory members and whatever MPs they have left, will have to pilot the Tories back to a pre-2016 position with economics that actually have some chance of working. The alternative is the Republican party route and becoming more insane and unelectable.

At some point everything they've done is going to hit them at the polls (this has already started), then it's going to keep hitting them until they stop.

An underrated issue beyond seats they will likely lose at the next election is seats like mine. Fairly affluent suburbia that has returned massive majorities, drifting away from them and they’ll have to campaign here, taking resources away from marginals

Yes, and it works the other way too. Which is why I included the Bath and North East Somerset result in the list the Tories should worry about.

Bath is now likely a safe Lib Dem seat (a rare thing), so that strong Lib Dem branch will be able to dispatch activists to neighbouring constituencies. Bath and North East Somerset council has two Westminster seats, Bath (Lib Dem, Hobhouse) and North East Somerset (Con, Rees-Mogg). Rees-Mogg has a 10K+ majority but if the non-Tory vote wasn't split over Labour/Lib Dems/Greens, then that majority starts getting very small. Because it's Rees-Mogg activists will definitely want to try there even if there's a small chance. A better place to go would be Cheltenham where the Tory majority is under 1000, a proper marginal. Oxford West and Abingdon (Lib Dem, Moran) is also likely a safe Lib Dem seat for the next GE, so if Johnson tries to jump into the safe Tory seat of Henley next door he's going to be find himself more pressured than he thought (for the same reason Rees-Mogg will). Stratford-on-Avon (Con, Nadhim Zahawi) is in the middle of all this and has flipped from a Tory council to a Lib Dem council, and although it's a massive 20k majority for Zahawi, the guy is carrying a lot of negatives (just like Rees-Mogg and Johnson).

Leaning into the Tories is going to be good for the Lib Dems in the next GE. Even some safe Tory seats could find themselves fighting with everything they've got to hang on. The problem for the Lib Dems is they probably don't keep the new voters long term, but that's a nice problem to have I guess.

I watched Channel 4 News and Sky News this evening. All the journalists were saying this indicates a hung parliament, then they put their numbers up, and they've taken the percentage of the vote this local election and mapped it onto all 650 Westminster seats. But the Lib Dems are polling at 10%-ish UK wide and not 18%, and obviously independents aren't going to be getting 20%+. It seems like the media have forgotten this is only most of England outside London. Wales/Scotland/London are going to be adding a lot to Labour and very little to the Tories. This result indicates a Labour majority more than any other outcome imo.

Indeed such a strange conflation. Very poor political science indeed.

[Tichtheid]

The Tories said that losing 1000 seats would be a disaster.

They said this because if they only lost 600 or 700 they could say, well we did a lot better than everyone was saying we would.

They seem to have lost 959 according to the Guardian, I don't know if every seat has declared.

[yermum]

BBC showing:
CON
2,282
-1,061

Can you hear me Maggie thatcher….

[Torquemada 1420]

****s turning on themselves

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65496536

It's going to be revealing how the official CCHQ line plays out, my bet is on words to the effect of "the public don't understand what we are trying to do, so we have to do it stronger and harder", because arrogance won't let them think they can possibly be screwing things up by bigging up culture wars and the like instead of the things that are really hurting people.

My town wards have kicked out at least a couple more Tories but sadly the "blue wall" of the rural villages is keeping them in control of the borough as a whole

Same here. I actually am surprised just how many hard line right pockets there are here.

[tabascoboy]

One thing the Tories can be a bit relieved about is that for today and tomorrow at least all the media attention turns to the Coronation...

[Torquemada 1420]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-65484552

Mr Justice Levin ruled in favour of the government, saying that the change in policy still met existing laws, although he said it was "regrettable" the public had not been informed.

[SaintK]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-65484552

Mr Justice Levin ruled in favour of the government, saying that the change in policy still met existing laws, although he said it was "regrettable" the public had not been informed.

So this bunch of tossers are now complying with an EU directive that the industry doesn't want!!

Dr Julia Fentem, head of the safety and environmental assurance centre at Unilever - one of the world's largest cosmetic companies - said tests potentially required under the new policy were "unnecessary", and that safety tests could be carried out without animal involvement.

[tabascoboy]

Yep let's bring back a serial liar with absolutely no sense of personal responsibility - that'll work...

‘Team Boris has gone into overdrive’: Rishi Sunak’s ‘astonishing’ losses are reopening Tory splits

Allies of Boris Johnson are stirring again. While the man himself is remaining silent, he is widely believed to have authorised friends to brief the media on his behalf, making sure his name remains in the headlines, even as he stops short of issuing a direct challenge to his successor.

“Team Boris has gone into overdrive again,” one MP remarked. “Boris has always said he would only come back as leader if 50 per cent of MPs supported him – but I am hoping we don’t have musical chairs. We don’t need him now, we need stability, it’s steadying the ship time.”

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/team- ... 46?ITO=msn

[GogLais]

Yep let's bring back a serial liar with absolutely no sense of personal responsibility - that'll work...

‘Team Boris has gone into overdrive’: Rishi Sunak’s ‘astonishing’ losses are reopening Tory splits

Allies of Boris Johnson are stirring again. While the man himself is remaining silent, he is widely believed to have authorised friends to brief the media on his behalf, making sure his name remains in the headlines, even as he stops short of issuing a direct challenge to his successor.

“Team Boris has gone into overdrive again,” one MP remarked. “Boris has always said he would only come back as leader if 50 per cent of MPs supported him – but I am hoping we don’t have musical chairs. We don’t need him now, we need stability, it’s steadying the ship time.”

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/team- ... 46?ITO=msn

Should be entertaining if nothing else.

[petej]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-65484552

Mr Justice Levin ruled in favour of the government, saying that the change in policy still met existing laws, although he said it was "regrettable" the public had not been informed.

So this bunch of tossers are now complying with an EU directive that the industry doesn't want!!

Dr Julia Fentem, head of the safety and environmental assurance centre at Unilever - one of the world's largest cosmetic companies - said tests potentially required under the new policy were "unnecessary", and that safety tests could be carried out without animal involvement.

We are signed upto the Stockholm convention. There is quite a bit in the pipeline relating to persistent organic pollutants and PFAs (for example teflon, viton) which I suspect this relates to so alignment makes sense. Plus HSE is lacks resources. The ECHA website is still the one i go to for hazardous materials info.

[GogLais]

BBC showing:
CON
2,282
-1,061

Can you hear me Maggie thatcher….

Could be a quirk of many factors but I see that LDs and Greens between them gained about as many seats as Labour. Greens made significant gains on the Wirral. Which is odd, Brighton we’re not.

[I like neeps]

BBC showing:
CON
2,282
-1,061

Can you hear me Maggie thatcher….

Could be a quirk of many factors but I see that LDs and Greens between them gained about as many seats as Labour. Greens made significant gains on the Wirral. Which is odd, Brighton we’re not.

The Wirral is not odd at all, they're a load of ex labour councillors who got kicked out by Sir Keir. Expect to see a lot of green votes in metropolitan areas.

[Tichtheid]

BBC showing:
CON
2,282
-1,061

Can you hear me Maggie thatcher….

Could be a quirk of many factors but I see that LDs and Greens between them gained about as many seats as Labour. Greens made significant gains on the Wirral. Which is odd, Brighton we’re not.

Oddly enough, the Greens got whupped in Brighton, Labour won overall control and several Greens, including the local group leader, lost their seats.

Labour won 38 seats, the Green party won 7 seats, the Conservatives won 6 seats, Brighton & Hove Independents won 2 seats and an independent candidate won 1 seat.

It would take a huge shift for Caroline Lucas to lose her Westminster seat, though, she had a majority of nearly twenty thousand at the last election - 57% of the vote, the Labour candidate came in second with nearly 23%.

[GogLais]

BBC showing:
CON
2,282
-1,061

Can you hear me Maggie thatcher….

Could be a quirk of many factors but I see that LDs and Greens between them gained about as many seats as Labour. Greens made significant gains on the Wirral. Which is odd, Brighton we’re not.

The Wirral is not odd at all, they're a load of ex labour councillors who got kicked out by Sir Keir. Expect to see a lot of green votes in metropolitan areas.

That was my point really, Bebington and Prenton are pretty normal places, to use a vague description. Not that I’m suggesting that Green voters are odd. What does seem odd that the likes of Caldy and Heswall have Labour MPs.

[SaintK]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-65484552

So this bunch of tossers are now complying with an EU directive that the industry doesn't want!!

Dr Julia Fentem, head of the safety and environmental assurance centre at Unilever - one of the world's largest cosmetic companies - said tests potentially required under the new policy were "unnecessary", and that safety tests could be carried out without animal involvement.

We are signed upto the Stockholm convention. There is quite a bit in the pipeline relating to persistent organic pollutants and PFAs (for example teflon, viton) which I suspect this relates to so alignment makes sense. Plus HSE is lacks resources. The ECHA website is still the one i go to for hazardous materials info.

[Torquemada 1420]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-65484552

Mr Justice Levin ruled in favour of the government, saying that the change in policy still met existing laws, although he said it was "regrettable" the public had not been informed.

So this bunch of tossers are now complying with an EU directive that the industry doesn't want!!

Dr Julia Fentem, head of the safety and environmental assurance centre at Unilever - one of the world's largest cosmetic companies - said tests potentially required under the new policy were "unnecessary", and that safety tests could be carried out without animal involvement.

It's friggin' bizarre. I can't figure out which group lobbied for this. The Confederation Of Animal Abusers? Is that a thing?

[Sandstorm]

Lib Dem’s kicked out the Conservatives down here. I met the 3 LD candidates last month on the doorstep and they’re all weirdos I wouldn’t share a pint with.

Hopefully they can manage a tiny budget.

[Sandstorm]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-65484552

So this bunch of tossers are now complying with an EU directive that the industry doesn't want!!

Dr Julia Fentem, head of the safety and environmental assurance centre at Unilever - one of the world's largest cosmetic companies - said tests potentially required under the new policy were "unnecessary", and that safety tests could be carried out without animal involvement.

It's friggin' bizarre. I can't figure out which group lobbied for this. The Confederation Of Animal Abusers? Is that a thing?

Gotta do something with those Tory donors’ hounds.

[_Os_]

The Telegraph letters section gives an idea of the Tory direction of travel. It's not going to be fun being a younger person in that party, telling these people for many more years to come things like: "Thatcherism has been done, it cannot be redone", "Brexit needs to be looked at again", "the electoral sweet spot for the Tories is the place where the Lib Dems and Tories meet", "'woke' is a meaningless word that is simply a container for everything you dislike", "building new things is important, a damp barren field in southern England does not require x1000 the protection the Amazon or Congo jungle receives".

Their latest thing is the dodgy sounding "National Conservatism". A Republican party style loony response to losing power looks entirely possible.

[tabascoboy]

The Telegraph letters section gives an idea of the Tory direction of travel. It's not going to be fun being a younger person in that party, telling these people for many more years to come things like: "Thatcherism has been done, it cannot be redone", "Brexit needs to be looked at again", "the electoral sweet spot for the Tories is the place where the Lib Dems and Tories meet", "'woke' is a meaningless word that is simply a container for everything you dislike", "building new things is important, a damp barren field in southern England does not require x1000 the protection the Amazon or Congo jungle receives".

Their latest thing is the dodgy sounding "National Conservatism". A Republican party style loony response to losing power looks entirely possible.

If this is actually managed by rather than for Young Conservatives then it suggest that they are strongly in accord with the current mindset of CCHQ
https://twitter.com/Young_Tories

[robmatic]

The Telegraph letters section gives an idea of the Tory direction of travel. It's not going to be fun being a younger person in that party, telling these people for many more years to come things like: "Thatcherism has been done, it cannot be redone", "Brexit needs to be looked at again", "the electoral sweet spot for the Tories is the place where the Lib Dems and Tories meet", "'woke' is a meaningless word that is simply a container for everything you dislike", "building new things is important, a damp barren field in southern England does not require x1000 the protection the Amazon or Congo jungle receives".

Their latest thing is the dodgy sounding "National Conservatism". A Republican party style loony response to losing power looks entirely possible.

If this is actually managed by rather than for Young Conservatives then it suggest that they are strongly in accord with the current mindset of CCHQ
https://twitter.com/Young_Tories

I get the impression that anybody in the Young Conservatives these days is either alt-right or similarly looney tunes on social issues.

[_Os_]

Scrolling through that account it seems to support the current Tory government and Sunak etc. Anderson is just a meme spouting bullshit Tories like, he's earning more than he's ever made in his life from the performance, so he's happy to continue doing it as long as possible (it wasn't long ago he was in Labour and nowhere near parliament). I scrolled back to summer last year, that account gave almost no support to Truss and I can't find any mention of Braverman or Rees-Mogg. It seems to mostly boost Sunak, Cleverly, and Anderson.

As unbelievable as it sounds, that all puts them into the "woke" wing of the Tory party those letters were angry about. Within the Tory bubble there's people that believe the current Tory government is "woke" this being embodied by Sunak, and that the Tories need to move much further to the right to win. To them things like the Windsor framework, not withdrawing from the ECHR and not going ahead with Rees-Mogg's mass burning of laws, are all a massive betrayal. These would be the people immensely impressed by the likes of Braverman, or Rees-Mogg, or Truss, or Big Dog.

From the outside it's all completely mad. But they cannot see that.

[Biffer]

Let’s be honest, there’s a part of the Tory party that thinks they’re being woke because they elected a brown leader.

[GogLais]

Let’s be honest, there’s a part of the Tory party that thinks they’re being woke because they elected a brown leader.

I was saying to Ms GL yesterday that this might make some of the Red Wallers a bit likelier to return to Labour. What fun we have.

[C69]

Let’s be honest, there’s a part of the Tory party that thinks they’re being woke because they elected a brown leader.

I was saying to Ms GL yesterday that this might make some of the Red Wallers a bit likelier to return to Labour. What fun we have.

Tbh Mr Starmer is a quintessentially nice white middle class Sir with a background in Law and Order.

[GogLais]

Let’s be honest, there’s a part of the Tory party that thinks they’re being woke because they elected a brown leader.

I was saying to Ms GL yesterday that this might make some of the Red Wallers a bit likelier to return to Labour. What fun we have.

Tbh Mr Starmer is a quintessentially nice white middle class Sir with a background in Law and Order.

Job done.

[tabascoboy]

[petej]

This is a key reason why getting the Tories out is so important regardless of any understandable reservations about Starmer. There is a process/pathway to be followed which involves investigating brexit impact and only then can policy be changed.