W4 Pumas vs Springboks v2 & bled part 2

[Sards]

" I am not sure but this seems to be the most unorganized and uncertain time that SA Rugby has been in prior to a RWC "
Found this.

On reflection.
Do any of the Saffers feel we have a realistic chance of winning this.
Is anyone comfortable with our preparation and coaching.
Let's be honest. We have some serious talent at our disposal . But are we going to see the best out of them.
We are Ireland's bitches currently. Can we realistically beat them. We are France's bitches. Do we have a plan to beat them that you can see. The ABs made us look like a school team. Can we realistically beat them in the next few years.

Boet, that's a bit too much honesty asked for. The saffers here usually are not that good in objectiveness. Expect the usual chest thumping

Surprisingly the chest thumping has been subdued.....
Before the season started we had 2 teams good enough to beat anyone and the dreaded Bomb squad..
Now we have the Stomps trashing Faf and Willie who they feel are responsible for the under par performances , probably looking for Herschel and Willemse to replace those 2 in the squad. Especially on fb. More particularily Sandy and Ouboet on here. Strangely the stats are contrary to the opinions of these two yet here we are. There is a perception and that's all that's required.

Reports of Rassie and Nienaber tendering their resignations prior to the Lions tour have emerged.
Because they felt the players hadn't enough time to prepare.....Then Rassiegate....
Now Nienaber is tuning Rassie what to do.....stay home and work on the players staying behind whilst he does the business in Argentina.
Either finally finding his balls prior to heading to Leinster or wanting to get away from the influence of Rassie. I am worried that there are tensions in the bok camp. Rassie likes to be hands on......the keyboard.

[OomStruisbaai]

" I am not sure but this seems to be the most unorganized and uncertain time that SA Rugby has been in prior to a RWC "
Found this.

On reflection.
Do any of the Saffers feel we have a realistic chance of winning this.
Is anyone comfortable with our preparation and coaching.
Let's be honest. We have some serious talent at our disposal . But are we going to see the best out of them.
We are Ireland's bitches currently. Can we realistically beat them. We are France's bitches. Do we have a plan to beat them that you can see. The ABs made us look like a school team. Can we realistically beat them in the next few years.

Boet, that's a bit too much honesty asked for. The saffers here usually are not that good in objectiveness. Expect the usual chest thumping

Boerie Roll and Sardy sitting in a tree ...

Rassie always keeps a monkey up his sleeve, you need to trust that monkey more.

Sards call you a Stomps supporter.

[Gumboot]

I don't think we should deviate much from the side we've rolled out so far. If emotions really don't come in to selections, there's no need to look at uncapped squad members like Finau. Leave that for Razor to decide, next year.

[LoveOfTheGame]

" I am not sure but this seems to be the most unorganized and uncertain time that SA Rugby has been in prior to a RWC "
Found this.

On reflection.
Do any of the Saffers feel we have a realistic chance of winning this.
Is anyone comfortable with our preparation and coaching.
Let's be honest. We have some serious talent at our disposal . But are we going to see the best out of them.
We are Ireland's bitches currently. Can we realistically beat them. We are France's bitches. Do we have a plan to beat them that you can see. The ABs made us look like a school team. Can we realistically beat them in the next few years.

Boet, that's a bit too much honesty asked for. The saffers here usually are not that good in objectiveness. Expect the usual chest thumping

Surprisingly the chest thumping has been subdued.....
Before the season started we had 2 teams good enough to beat anyone and the dreaded Bomb squad..
Now we have the Stomps trashing Faf and Willie who they feel are responsible for the under par performances , probably looking for Herschel and Willemse to replace those 2 in the squad. Especially on fb. More particularily Sandy and Ouboet on here. Strangely the stats are contrary to the opinions of these two yet here we are. There is a perception and that's all that's required.

Reports of Rassie and Nienaber tendering their resignations prior to the Lions tour have emerged.
Because they felt the players hadn't enough time to prepare.....Then Rassiegate....
Now Nienaber is tuning Rassie what to do.....stay home and work on the players staying behind whilst he does the business in Argentina.
Either finally finding his balls prior to heading to Leinster or wanting to get away from the influence of Rassie. I am worried that there are tensions in the bok camp. Rassie likes to be hands on......the keyboard.

You should spend less time on FB Sards, it might be influencing your perception on conspiracy theories. As for Wors, he really is a fair-weather fan. Brings nothing positive to any discussion.

[Sards]

You should spend less time on FB Sards, it might be influencing your perception on conspiracy theories. As for Wors, he really is a fair-weather fan. Brings nothing positive to any discussion.

Thanks for the heads up on checking the stats.....
Always great to have a more balanced and informed poster weighing in.

Dude....trying to make conversation around the RWC. Sick of listening to warped opinions .
Rassnabber is not very popular currently....
Each year we have a poor showing prior to RWC , I think the coaches are holding back and will surprise us at the RWC.....Felt like that about Snor and his replacement. Yet somehow what you see is what you get.......

[boere wors]

Boet, that's a bit too much honesty asked for. The saffers here usually are not that good in objectiveness. Expect the usual chest thumping

Surprisingly the chest thumping has been subdued.....
Before the season started we had 2 teams good enough to beat anyone and the dreaded Bomb squad..
Now we have the Stomps trashing Faf and Willie who they feel are responsible for the under par performances , probably looking for Herschel and Willemse to replace those 2 in the squad. Especially on fb. More particularily Sandy and Ouboet on here. Strangely the stats are contrary to the opinions of these two yet here we are. There is a perception and that's all that's required.

Reports of Rassie and Nienaber tendering their resignations prior to the Lions tour have emerged.
Because they felt the players hadn't enough time to prepare.....Then Rassiegate....
Now Nienaber is tuning Rassie what to do.....stay home and work on the players staying behind whilst he does the business in Argentina.
Either finally finding his balls prior to heading to Leinster or wanting to get away from the influence of Rassie. I am worried that there are tensions in the bok camp. Rassie likes to be hands on......the keyboard.

You should spend less time on FB Sards, it might be influencing your perception on conspiracy theories. As for Wors, he really is a fair-weather fan. Brings nothing positive to any discussion.

Who are you? I can't recall any discussion with you.

[LoveOfTheGame]

Surprisingly the chest thumping has been subdued.....
Before the season started we had 2 teams good enough to beat anyone and the dreaded Bomb squad..
Now we have the Stomps trashing Faf and Willie who they feel are responsible for the under par performances , probably looking for Herschel and Willemse to replace those 2 in the squad. Especially on fb. More particularily Sandy and Ouboet on here. Strangely the stats are contrary to the opinions of these two yet here we are. There is a perception and that's all that's required.

Reports of Rassie and Nienaber tendering their resignations prior to the Lions tour have emerged.
Because they felt the players hadn't enough time to prepare.....Then Rassiegate....
Now Nienaber is tuning Rassie what to do.....stay home and work on the players staying behind whilst he does the business in Argentina.
Either finally finding his balls prior to heading to Leinster or wanting to get away from the influence of Rassie. I am worried that there are tensions in the bok camp. Rassie likes to be hands on......the keyboard.

You should spend less time on FB Sards, it might be influencing your perception on conspiracy theories. As for Wors, he really is a fair-weather fan. Brings nothing positive to any discussion.

Who are you? I can't recall any discussion with you.

Not how this works worsie.

[OomStruisbaai]

Springboks – 15 Damian Willemse, 14 Canan Moodie, 13 Lukhanyo Am, 12 Ande Esterhuizen, 11 Makazole Mapimpi, 10 Manie Libbok, 9 Cobus Reinach, 8 Jasper Wiese, 7 Franco Mostert, 6 Deon Fourie, 5 Marvin Orie, 4 Jean Kleyn, 3 Thomas du Toit, 2 Bongi Mbonambi (c), 1 Trevor Nyakane.
Subs: 16 Joseph Dweba, 17 Gerhard Steenekamp, 18 Vincent Koch, 19 Jean-Luc du Preez, 20 Evan Roos, 21 Herschel Jantjies, 22 Jesse Kriel, 23 Kurt-Lee Arendse

[Chilli]

Springboks – 15 Damian Willemse, 14 Canan Moodie, 13 Lukhanyo Am, 12 Ande Esterhuizen, 11 Makazole Mapimpi, 10 Manie Libbok, 9 Cobus Reinach, 8 Jasper Wiese, 7 Franco Mostert, 6 Deon Fourie, 5 Marvin Orie, 4 Jean Kleyn, 3 Thomas du Toit, 2 Bongi Mbonambi (c), 1 Trevor Nyakane.
Subs: 16 Joseph Dweba, 17 Gerhard Steenekamp, 18 Vincent Koch, 19 Jean-Luc du Preez, 20 Evan Roos, 21 Herschel Jantjies, 22 Jesse Kriel, 23 Kurt-Lee Arendse

If this solid pack can unleash the backline...........

[handyman]

Springboks – 15 Damian Willemse, 14 Canan Moodie, 13 Lukhanyo Am, 12 Ande Esterhuizen, 11 Makazole Mapimpi, 10 Manie Libbok, 9 Cobus Reinach, 8 Jasper Wiese, 7 Franco Mostert, 6 Deon Fourie, 5 Marvin Orie, 4 Jean Kleyn, 3 Thomas du Toit, 2 Bongi Mbonambi (c), 1 Trevor Nyakane.
Subs: 16 Joseph Dweba, 17 Gerhard Steenekamp, 18 Vincent Koch, 19 Jean-Luc du Preez, 20 Evan Roos, 21 Herschel Jantjies, 22 Jesse Kriel, 23 Kurt-Lee Arendse

Tight 5 looking a bit second string...The rest is good.

[Sandstorm]

Springboks – 15 Damian Willemse, 14 Canan Moodie, 13 Lukhanyo Am, 12 Ande Esterhuizen, 11 Makazole Mapimpi, 10 Manie Libbok, 9 Cobus Reinach, 8 Jasper Wiese, 7 Franco Mostert, 6 Deon Fourie, 5 Marvin Orie, 4 Jean Kleyn, 3 Thomas du Toit, 2 Bongi Mbonambi (c), 1 Trevor Nyakane.
Subs: 16 Joseph Dweba, 17 Gerhard Steenekamp, 18 Vincent Koch, 19 Jean-Luc du Preez, 20 Evan Roos, 21 Herschel Jantjies, 22 Jesse Kriel, 23 Kurt-Lee Arendse

If this solid pack can unleash the backline...........

Lots of kicking again probably.

At least this back 3 aren’t midgets like last week and can compete in the air.

[Sards]

Expecting a faster game than last week with the backline doing a lot more work.

[Sards]

Springboks – 15 Damian Willemse, 14 Canan Moodie, 13 Lukhanyo Am, 12 Ande Esterhuizen, 11 Makazole Mapimpi, 10 Manie Libbok, 9 Cobus Reinach, 8 Jasper Wiese, 7 Franco Mostert, 6 Deon Fourie, 5 Marvin Orie, 4 Jean Kleyn, 3 Thomas du Toit, 2 Bongi Mbonambi (c), 1 Trevor Nyakane.
Subs: 16 Joseph Dweba, 17 Gerhard Steenekamp, 18 Vincent Koch, 19 Jean-Luc du Preez, 20 Evan Roos, 21 Herschel Jantjies, 22 Jesse Kriel, 23 Kurt-Lee Arendse

If this solid pack can unleash the backline...........

Lots of kicking again probably.

At least this back 3 aren’t midgets like last week and can compete in the air.

As much as Kolbe and Arendse have gas to burn.....this was a weakness against the ABs and Argentina.
Canaan and Mapimpi will solve this.

[LoveOfTheGame]

Nice balance in the team, looking forward to see the boys having a go.

[Sards]

Nice balance in the team, looking forward to see the boys having a go.

I must say. Nienaber tends to look for a more attacking game whereas Rassie seems to prefer to try dominate collisions using the forwards

[Sandstorm]

Mostert and Wiese have a lot to prove this weekend. Both are looking a shadow of themselves from last season.

[LoveOfTheGame]

Mostert and Wiese have a lot to prove this weekend. Both are looking a shadow of themselves from last season.

Wiese is a strange one, he had a very good season for Leicester. In fairness to him he's only had one outing so far.

[Sards]

Mostert and Wiese have a lot to prove this weekend. Both are looking a shadow of themselves from last season.

Wiese is a strange one, he had a very good season for Leicester. In fairness to him he's only had one outing so far.

Agree. Duane really has made 8 his own again. And is hungry for the RWC. Wiese needs to play out of his skin. Roos can go home and wait with a packed bag.

[Grandpa]

I don't think we should deviate much from the side we've rolled out so far. If emotions really don't come in to selections, there's no need to look at uncapped squad members like Finau. Leave that for Razor to decide, next year.

Though why pick players in the squad if you are never going to see them play?

[Ymx]

I don't think we should deviate much from the side we've rolled out so far. If emotions really don't come in to selections, there's no need to look at uncapped squad members like Finau. Leave that for Razor to decide, next year.

I’d like to see more of D Mac, and less of BB in this test.

[OomStruisbaai]

Can't figure out why they made Bongi captain. He is so useless.

[Grandpa]

I don't think we should deviate much from the side we've rolled out so far. If emotions really don't come in to selections, there's no need to look at uncapped squad members like Finau. Leave that for Razor to decide, next year.

I’d like to see more of D Mac, and less of BB in this test.

Predicted lineup...

Possible All Blacks starting XV: Will Jordan, Shaun Stevenson, Braydon Ennor, Anton Lienert-Brown, Leicester Fainga’anuku, Damian McKenzie, Finlay Christie, Ardie Savea, Sam Cane (captain), Samipeni Finau, Sam Whitelock, Brodie Retallick, Nepo Laulala, Samisoni Taukei’aho, Tamaiti Williams.

[Gumboot]

The Wallabies side for Bledisloe II has been named:

Andrew Kellaway, Mark Nawaqanitawase, Jordan Petaia, Samu Kerevi, Marika Koroibete, Carter Gordon, Tate McDermott (capt), Rob Valetini, Fraser McReight, Tom Hooper, Richie Arnold, Nick Frost, Pone Fa'amausili, David Porecki, Angus Bell.

Reserves: Jordan Uelese, James Slipper, Zane Nonggorr, Will Skelton, Rob Leota, Nic White, Quade Cooper, Izaia Perese.

[Gumboot]

[Kiwias]

I don't think we should deviate much from the side we've rolled out so far. If emotions really don't come in to selections, there's no need to look at uncapped squad members like Finau. Leave that for Razor to decide, next year.

I’d like to see more of D Mac, and less of BB in this test.

Predicted lineup...

Possible All Blacks starting XV: Will Jordan, Shaun Stevenson, Braydon Ennor, Anton Lienert-Brown, Leicester Fainga’anuku, Damian McKenzie, Finlay Christie, Ardie Savea, Sam Cane (captain), Samipeni Finau, Sam Whitelock, Brodie Retallick, Nepo Laulala, Samisoni Taukei’aho, Tamaiti Williams.

Grandpa is Ian Foster and I claim my annual subscription to the BB fan club.

[Kiwias]

How long has it been since an AB match day squad did not contain even a single Barrett?

[Guy Smiley]

I'm on nightshift this week.. woke up, clicked on this thread and saw this.

I don't think we should deviate much from the side we've rolled out so far. If emotions really don't come in to selections, there's no need to look at uncapped squad members like Finau. Leave that for Razor to decide, next year.

Then my FB feed revealed the team selection....

I laughed. I fucking laughed. Not at you, Gumboot... at the hilarity of it all. On the bright side, that backline could actually do some serious damage. No Beauden at long last, shame Mo'unga isn't starting to get a real gauge on that and as Kiwias points out, no Barretts at all is weird


ly arousing.

[Gumboot]

Yep, I wasn't even close.

And I kind of imagined that your response to the absence of Barretts would be like mine to the absence of Clarkes...

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[Guy Smiley]

[LoveOfTheGame]

Can't figure out why they made Bongi captain. He is so useless.

He is very yappy with refs. Does not come across as a natural leader either. But he is close to the action, whereas Am is too far away. Still strange in many ways.

[Ymx]

I don't think we should deviate much from the side we've rolled out so far. If emotions really don't come in to selections, there's no need to look at uncapped squad members like Finau. Leave that for Razor to decide, next year.

I’d like to see more of D Mac, and less of BB in this test.

Predicted lineup...

Possible All Blacks starting XV: Will Jordan, Shaun Stevenson, Braydon Ennor, Anton Lienert-Brown, Leicester Fainga’anuku, Damian McKenzie, Finlay Christie, Ardie Savea, Sam Cane (captain), Samipeni Finau, Sam Whitelock, Brodie Retallick, Nepo Laulala, Samisoni Taukei’aho, Tamaiti Williams.

Holy smoke. You are the oracle !!!

[OomStruisbaai]

Can't figure out why they made Bongi captain. He is so useless.

He is very yappy with refs. Does not come across as a natural leader either. But he is close to the action, whereas Am is too far away. Still strange in many ways.

At the moment Dweba is in better form then him.

[_Os_]

Can't figure out why they made Bongi captain. He is so useless.

He is very yappy with refs. Does not come across as a natural leader either. But he is close to the action, whereas Am is too far away. Still strange in many ways.

Seems obvious why they went with Bongi, he's the type of guy who reads books in his spare time. Same reason Jean de Villiers got the captaincy when no natural leader was available. If there's no standout leader available, you pick the most intelligent guy who can communicate.

[LoveOfTheGame]

Can't figure out why they made Bongi captain. He is so useless.

He is very yappy with refs. Does not come across as a natural leader either. But he is close to the action, whereas Am is too far away. Still strange in many ways.

Seems obvious why they went with Bongi, he's the type of guy who reads books in his spare time. Same reason Jean de Villiers got the captaincy when no natural leader was available. If there's no standout leader available, you pick the most intelligent guy who can communicate.

Problem is does he have any experience? Might prove to be crucial with the Georgian ref. Anyway, it is what it is and a big honour for him I'm sure.

[OomStruisbaai]

Can't figure out why they made Bongi captain. He is so useless.

He is very yappy with refs. Does not come across as a natural leader either. But he is close to the action, whereas Am is too far away. Still strange in many ways.

Seems obvious why they went with Bongi, he's the type of guy who reads books in his spare time. Same reason Jean de Villiers got the captaincy when no natural leader was available. If there's no standout leader available, you pick the most intelligent guy who can communicate.

Why not Am? He captained the $hark$

[average joe]

Since everyone is thinking it but no one is willing to say it, I will. He's captain because of political pressure on transformation. Also, rassinaber likes his captain to be a big tough bastard near the coalface and not some glamor queen in the backline.

[Sandstorm]

Since everyone is thinking it but no one is willing to say it, I will. He's captain because of political pressure on transformation. Also, rassinaber likes his captain to be a big tough bastard near the coalface and not some glamor queen in the backline.

He's between a rock and a beachball. Two Sharks, well is dry on talent and experience. Might as well flip a coin. Bongi won.

TBF Duane last week was fucking shite when our #9 got knocked out cold. He should have been waaaay more forceful with the ref.

[Grandpa]

I’d like to see more of D Mac, and less of BB in this test.

Predicted lineup...

Possible All Blacks starting XV: Will Jordan, Shaun Stevenson, Braydon Ennor, Anton Lienert-Brown, Leicester Fainga’anuku, Damian McKenzie, Finlay Christie, Ardie Savea, Sam Cane (captain), Samipeni Finau, Sam Whitelock, Brodie Retallick, Nepo Laulala, Samisoni Taukei’aho, Tamaiti Williams.

Grandpa is Ian Foster and I claim my annual subscription to the BB fan club.

Holy smoke. You are the oracle !!!

I shouldn't say anything and leave you guys thinking I'm Nostradamus... but someone on Stuff predicted that having watched them train... If I was Ian Foster I'd have resigned by now...

[_Os_]

Since everyone is thinking it but no one is willing to say it, I will. He's captain because of political pressure on transformation. Also, rassinaber likes his captain to be a big tough bastard near the coalface and not some glamor queen in the backline.

Which white guy missed out on being captain Deon Fourie? Thomas du Toit? If this is all planning for the RWC, Fourie will be doing well to make the RWC squad at all, probably not going to be in the top 23. Du Toit is a lock in for squad, but has been used mostly on the bench, because he can play both sides it adds some versatility, playing him at tighthead (his worse side) means they can pick another player at loosehead, like in this test.

Bongi looks more likely to be on the pitch if other captain options go down? He's certain to be in the 23. If that actually happens and he needs to take over as captain we would be really fucked though, as Kolisi/Duane/Etzebeth (that order) are all ahead of him, and maybe Pollard too.

If it's about politics (I'm not convinced) then that's some next level planning. Boks always get more attention from the racist EFF types during a RWC, they hate watch the matches, a white captain is the sort of thing they would lose their mind over. They disrupted the players in 2015 I reckon, tried again in 2019 and failed.

[average joe]

Since everyone is thinking it but no one is willing to say it, I will. He's captain because of political pressure on transformation. Also, rassinaber likes his captain to be a big tough bastard near the coalface and not some glamor queen in the backline.

Which white guy missed out on being captain Deon Fourie? Thomas du Toit? If this is all planning for the RWC, Fourie will be doing well to make the RWC squad at all, probably not going to be in the top 23. Du Toit is a lock in for squad, but has been used mostly on the bench, because he can play both sides it adds some versatility, playing him at tighthead (his worse side) means they can pick another player at loosehead, like in this test.

Bongi looks more likely to be on the pitch if other captain options go down? He's certain to be in the 23. If that actually happens and he needs to take over as captain we would be really fucked though, as Kolisi/Duane/Etzebeth (that order) are all ahead of him, and maybe Pollard too.

If it's about politics (I'm not convinced) then that's some next level planning. Boks always get more attention from the racist EFF types during a RWC, they hate watch the matches, a white captain is the sort of thing they would lose their mind over. They disrupted the players in 2015 I reckon, tried again in 2019 and failed.

There's a few more wit okes in the team than Fourie and Tank (Tank is not locked in with Trevor there anyways). Sous is a senior bok and Reinach is close enough to the coalface. I doubt I'll make them captain in a WC
match but I doubt they'll be any worse than Bongi.