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Biffer wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 2:00 pm Scotland scored more the last time they played Sri Lanka. So did Oman. The way England are playing they wouldn’t have got through the qualifying tournament.
Unfortunately this undermines your argument a little bit. Qualifying and other ODIs aren't the world cup, which is a high pressure "neutral" tournament over a long period of time where plenty of teams raise their game. England won the last three odi series, losing 5 out of 14 since the last World Cup.

We were able to send a second team to beat Ireland before the world cup. You just can't replicate the world cup setup in any meaningful way.
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JM2K6 wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 2:12 pm
Biffer wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 2:00 pm Scotland scored more the last time they played Sri Lanka. So did Oman. The way England are playing they wouldn’t have got through the qualifying tournament.
Unfortunately this undermines your argument a little bit. Qualifying and other ODIs aren't the world cup, which is a high pressure "neutral" tournament over a long period of time where plenty of teams raise their game. England won the last three odi series, losing 5 out of 14 since the last World Cup.

We were able to send a second team to beat Ireland before the world cup. You just can't replicate the world cup setup in any meaningful way.
Well, that’s the argument of someone from a country that never has to qualify, or when they do they get top seeding and a cakewalk.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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Biffer wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 3:55 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 2:12 pm
Biffer wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 2:00 pm Scotland scored more the last time they played Sri Lanka. So did Oman. The way England are playing they wouldn’t have got through the qualifying tournament.
Unfortunately this undermines your argument a little bit. Qualifying and other ODIs aren't the world cup, which is a high pressure "neutral" tournament over a long period of time where plenty of teams raise their game. England won the last three odi series, losing 5 out of 14 since the last World Cup.

We were able to send a second team to beat Ireland before the world cup. You just can't replicate the world cup setup in any meaningful way.
Well, that’s the argument of someone from a country that never has to qualify, or when they do they get top seeding and a cakewalk.
Be honest: before this tournament started do you think you would have believed England wouldn't have walked qualification? There's a fair bit of 20:20 hindsight going on here.

Qualification games are a lot more like regular ODIs than they are like a world cup tournament for a host of fairly obvious reasons.
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JM2K6 wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 4:09 pm
Biffer wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 3:55 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 2:12 pm

Unfortunately this undermines your argument a little bit. Qualifying and other ODIs aren't the world cup, which is a high pressure "neutral" tournament over a long period of time where plenty of teams raise their game. England won the last three odi series, losing 5 out of 14 since the last World Cup.

We were able to send a second team to beat Ireland before the world cup. You just can't replicate the world cup setup in any meaningful way.
Well, that’s the argument of someone from a country that never has to qualify, or when they do they get top seeding and a cakewalk.
Be honest: before this tournament started do you think you would have believed England wouldn't have walked qualification? There's a fair bit of 20:20 hindsight going on here.

Qualification games are a lot more like regular ODIs than they are like a world cup tournament for a host of fairly obvious reasons.
No, but I thought they were better than they obviously are.

In turn, do you think that before the qualifying tournament you would have believed that West Indies would have lost to Zimbabwe, Scotland and the Netherlands in consecutive games? Or that Ireland wouldn’t even get into the super six ahead of Scotland, the Netherlands or Oman?
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Biffer wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 4:23 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 4:09 pm
Biffer wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 3:55 pm

Well, that’s the argument of someone from a country that never has to qualify, or when they do they get top seeding and a cakewalk.
Be honest: before this tournament started do you think you would have believed England wouldn't have walked qualification? There's a fair bit of 20:20 hindsight going on here.

Qualification games are a lot more like regular ODIs than they are like a world cup tournament for a host of fairly obvious reasons.
No, but I thought they were better than they obviously are.

In turn, do you think that before the qualifying tournament you would have believed that West Indies would have lost to Zimbabwe, Scotland and the Netherlands in consecutive games? Or that Ireland wouldn’t even get into the super six ahead of Scotland, the Netherlands or Oman?
Yes? West Indies have been in a death spiral for ages and they had huge problems with player availability and retention. In 2018 they'd managed to win just 26% of their ODIs following on from the 2015 tournament (compared to 66% for England or India - only Sri Lanka was worse than 45%). They're fucking dreadful.

Ireland went backwards at a rate of knots after the last World Cup. The only surprise in qualifiers was the loss to Oman.
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The Proteas nearly didn't qualify.
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 5:13 pm The Proteas nearly didn't qualify.
If they hadn’t, they’d have still been in the qualifying tournament earlier in the year.
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WTF has happened to England??
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So.... can SA chase? This game will tell.
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If Pakistan had managed to bat the full 50 and get it to maybe 290, it'd be a bigger challenge, but I think SA would still have it. Let's see.
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its well balanced at the moment. The run rate wont be a problem, its the 3 wickets down.
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Ymx wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 7:45 pm WTF has happened to England??
The one-man-team's Keewee is out of form.
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The choke is on
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2023 4:23 pm The choke is on
Comfortable run rate so play unnecessary shots to get yourself out. Mind numbingly dumb.

Pakistan had to do nothing but wait for the bad shots, they've done little to actually manufacture the wickets from pressure or smart bowling/tactics
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Awesome, We keep on winning, 1 wicket, 1 point. :clap:
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Insane_Homer wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2023 3:22 pm
Ymx wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 7:45 pm WTF has happened to England??
The one-man-team's Keewee is out of form.
Yeah that's right, England were only ever good because of Durham's Ben Stokes...
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JM2K6 wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2023 5:16 pm
Insane_Homer wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2023 3:22 pm
Ymx wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 7:45 pm WTF has happened to England??
The one-man-team's Keewee is out of form.
Yeah that's right, England were only ever good because of Durham's Ben Stokes...
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Insane_Homer wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2023 5:28 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2023 5:16 pm
Insane_Homer wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2023 3:22 pm

The one-man-team's Keewee is out of form.
Yeah that's right, England were only ever good because of Durham's Ben Stokes...
13 Sep 2023
Do you need me to list the matches won by Buttler or Malan or Bairstow or Roy or Woakes or Rashid or Archer or Willey or Plunkett or Curran or Moeen or Livingstone or Morgan or...

England didn't dominate limited overs cricket by relying on Ben Stokes, and they're not shit now because he's in bad form
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JM2K6 wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2023 6:48 pm
Insane_Homer wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2023 5:28 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2023 5:16 pm

Yeah that's right, England were only ever good because of Durham's Ben Stokes...
13 Sep 2023
Do you need me to list the matches won by Buttler or Malan or Bairstow or Roy or Woakes or Rashid or Archer or Willey or Plunkett or Curran or Moeen or Livingstone or Morgan or...

England didn't dominate limited overs cricket by relying on Ben Stokes, and they're not shit now because he's in bad form
Morgan and Roy aside, one of them should step up soon while he gets back to form :wink:
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Insane_Homer wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2023 6:55 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2023 6:48 pm
Insane_Homer wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2023 5:28 pm

13 Sep 2023
Do you need me to list the matches won by Buttler or Malan or Bairstow or Roy or Woakes or Rashid or Archer or Willey or Plunkett or Curran or Moeen or Livingstone or Morgan or...

England didn't dominate limited overs cricket by relying on Ben Stokes, and they're not shit now because he's in bad form
Morgan and Roy aside, one of them should step up soon while he gets back to form :wink:
Stokes coming back has been a problem. He hasn't been fit enough to feature in most of the matches and he caused a late rethink of the squad.

I don't think the entire squad going into meltdown has anything to do with what I'm saying about England being the opposite of a one man team for the past eight years but hey
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Oh boy.....the arse has dropped out of the NZ team. When we come up against good sides we aren't that good.
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Thor Sedan wrote: Sat Oct 28, 2023 8:21 am Oh boy.....the arse has dropped out of the NZ team. When we come up against good sides we aren't that good.
Bowling pies, dropping catches and getting smacked into next week.

Cummings has 37 from 13

And Aus in danger of not batting out their overs :lol:

388/9 9 balls left
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To go back to yesterdays match. Why did Mickey Mouse team decided to go to a spinner after their quicks did so well and nearly knock us over?
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Oct 28, 2023 9:18 am To go back to yesterdays match. Why did Mickey Mouse team decided to go to a spinner after their quicks did so well and nearly knock us over?
They'd bowled out their 10 overs each.
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Black Caps on a mission.
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This ground is absolutely stunning.
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Run Rate a bit of a problem.
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Biffer wrote: Sat Oct 28, 2023 11:43 am This ground is absolutely stunning.
:thumbup:
Best crowd all tourney too, amazing ground and backdrops to rival Capetown.
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And treated to a thriller.

NZ need 7 from 2

6 from 1

Aus win
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Close. Aussies back at the top
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Cracking game. Need ham will be kicking himself for a long time though - seven needed from two balls and he’s presented with a knee high full toss on his legs. That should have been in the stands. Instead he doesn’t connect properly and is run out going back for two.
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Bangladesh in trouble vs Netherlands. 80/6 chasing 230.
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Eng with a chance to cement their place at the bottom of the table against India tomorrow, unless the Keewee can pull his finger out.
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We didn't deserve that. Tits for hands when fielding (I think we allowed about 15 runs more than we should have) and some shocking choices with the bat at times.
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India in trouble early 35/2 after 10.

Kholi with a big fat zero! :thumbup:

40/3 now - Woakes with his second.
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This is tough to watch
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We need a favour from England
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Afghanistan need 70 runs in 87 balls.

Current RR: 4.84
• Required RR: 4.82
• Last 5 ov (RR): 32/0 (6.40)
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WTF is going on with England? Not at all what I expected from the defending champs. :???:
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