As the dust settles - RWC debrief

[TedMaul]

Courgette anyone?

[Guy Smiley]

No one is claiming there's no other ways to win games. When you lose a game with one point though and missed two kicks, you lost because you missed the kicks.

When you like winning by cheating then it's normal for you to complain about tech, rules and systems that makes it harder to cheat.

The referee apologised to the All Black captain for incorrectly penalising him at a ruck. The ABs should have had that penalty... instead, Pollard kicked a goal. Those three points weren't really the Boks right to score.


I'm not complaining about that, these things happen and it's the way of the game.

But it shits all over your argument like a wildebeest stuck in a coffee shop. Which is how you guys 'discuss' things, coincidentally.

On another day, the try you did keep on the board would have been checked for the very iffy final pass and you wouldn't have been close at the finish.

Yeah... test rugby has many facets, there are so many variables in one game. But apparently we lost because of two missed kicks.

[Biffer]

Oom's idea of banter seems to be he gives out as much as he likes but gets tetchy when it's given back.

[Sards]

I was really hoping that the NZ Supporters wouldn't pull a French or English bitch fest after the match. Mostly the posters on here have been reasonable. Out there it's horrendous. From fans to ex players and coaches.

I am also tired of the " we were the better team playing better rugby " after a loss.

It really is becoming unpleasant. Not just unpleasant. Tiresome.

For me they can rather just stop the RWCs . Do away with them. It's better for all concerned especially the officials.

[Gumboot]

I was really hoping that the NZ Supporters wouldn't pull a French or English bitch fest after the match. Mostly the posters on here have been reasonable. Out there it's horrendous. From fans to ex players and coaches.

I am also tired of the " we were the better team playing better rugby " after a loss.

It really is becoming unpleasant. Not just unpleasant. Tiresome.

For me they can rather just stop the RWCs . Do away with them. It's better for all concerned especially the officials.

I find that very odd, having watched several NZ rugby shows since the game and found the pundits' opinions overwhelmingly:

1. proud of the ABs making the Final and getting so close

2. praising of the Boks' ability to always find a way to win, and their great achievement in getting there the hard way

3. (almost) thankful that if we had to lose to anyone, at least it was the Boks, and not bloody England or Australia!

4. critical of the whole TMO situation (but pretty chill about Barnes) and the effect it had on the game as a spectacle, but emphatic that it in no way diminished SA's victory

Sards, I don't do social media, and have zero interest in the opinions of twitter or facebook hardmen. It wouldn't surprise me if the interwebs is full of feral death-threateners. But they're not representative of genuine rugby supporters, from anywhere in the world, and it doesn't make sense to me to get wound up over a bunch of anonymous dickheads. Anyway, that's just my perspective, fwiw.

[Gumboot]

You have it all wrong mate. I was merely stating facts to someone that felt you lost because of the officiating. You know like, raising my opinion and having a discussion on the game of rugby.

Yeah, fair enough. I got a bit carried away. Apologies.

[Guy Smiley]

I was really hoping that the NZ Supporters wouldn't pull a French or English bitch fest after the match. Mostly the posters on here have been reasonable. Out there it's horrendous. From fans to ex players and coaches.

I am also tired of the " we were the better team playing better rugby " after a loss.

It really is becoming unpleasant. Not just unpleasant. Tiresome.

For me they can rather just stop the RWCs . Do away with them. It's better for all concerned especially the officials.

I find that very odd, having watched several NZ rugby shows since the game and found the pundits' opinions overwhelmingly:

1. proud of the ABs making the Final and getting so close

2. praising of the Boks' ability to always find a way to win, and their great achievement in getting there the hard way

3. (almost) thankful that if we had to lose to anyone, at least it was the Boks, and not bloody England or Australia!

4. critical of the whole TMO situation (but pretty chill about Barnes) and the effect it had on the game as a spectacle, but emphatic that it in no way diminished SA's victory

Sards, I don't do social media, and have zero interest in the opinions of twitter or facebook hardmen. It wouldn't surprise me if the interwebs is full of feral death-threateners. But they're not representative of genuine rugby supporters, from anywhere in the world, and it doesn't make sense to me to get wound up over a bunch of anonymous dickheads. Anyway, that's just my perspective, fwiw.

A majority of our SA supporters in here seem determined to turn this into some sort of 'Kiwis are sore losers' festival which is really weird considering how all of us in here and on the shows you mention have been full of praise towards the Boks and their victory.

It's a shame they can't match the sportsmanship and good spirit their team and captain show.

[OomStruisbaai]

Oom's idea of banter seems to be he gives out as much as he likes but gets tetchy when it's given back.

Ja Boet, I can take it on the chin. You however crossed the line with your personal insult.

[boere wors]

I was really hoping that the NZ Supporters wouldn't pull a French or English bitch fest after the match. Mostly the posters on here have been reasonable. Out there it's horrendous. From fans to ex players and coaches.

I am also tired of the " we were the better team playing better rugby " after a loss.

It really is becoming unpleasant. Not just unpleasant. Tiresome.

For me they can rather just stop the RWCs . Do away with them. It's better for all concerned especially the officials.

I find that very odd, having watched several NZ rugby shows since the game and found the pundits' opinions overwhelmingly:

1. proud of the ABs making the Final and getting so close

2. praising of the Boks' ability to always find a way to win, and their great achievement in getting there the hard way

3. (almost) thankful that if we had to lose to anyone, at least it was the Boks, and not bloody England or Australia!

4. critical of the whole TMO situation (but pretty chill about Barnes) and the effect it had on the game as a spectacle, but emphatic that it in no way diminished SA's victory

Sards, I don't do social media, and have zero interest in the opinions of twitter or facebook hardmen. It wouldn't surprise me if the interwebs is full of feral death-threateners. But they're not representative of genuine rugby supporters, from anywhere in the world, and it doesn't make sense to me to get wound up over a bunch of anonymous dickheads. Anyway, that's just my perspective, fwiw.

Gumboot. Spot on, i have watched a couple of NZ shows and coverage as well. This is exactly what has been said. By jeff wilson, mils, izzy dagg, kirwan and others. Don't listen to the crap posted here on a internet forum. The saffers here should watch those shows and listen to what those guys are saying. The only thing that is tiresome is the kak posted here.

[average joe]

The referee apologised to the All Black captain for incorrectly penalising him at a ruck. The ABs should have had that penalty... instead, Pollard kicked a goal. Those three points weren't really the Boks right to score.


I'm not complaining about that, these things happen and it's the way of the game.

But it shits all over your argument like a wildebeest stuck in a coffee shop. Which is how you guys 'discuss' things, coincidentally.

On another day, the try you did keep on the board would have been checked for the very iffy final pass and you wouldn't have been close at the finish.

Yeah... test rugby has many facets, there are so many variables in one game. But apparently we lost because of two missed kicks.

So, you would base your loss on marginal 50/50 calls that did not go your way, rather than focus on the points that was there for the taking?

[Enzedder]

It was a good tournament - a pity the draw was screwed up but that's my only major gripe.

[average joe]

I find that very odd, having watched several NZ rugby shows since the game and found the pundits' opinions overwhelmingly:

1. proud of the ABs making the Final and getting so close

2. praising of the Boks' ability to always find a way to win, and their great achievement in getting there the hard way

3. (almost) thankful that if we had to lose to anyone, at least it was the Boks, and not bloody England or Australia!

4. critical of the whole TMO situation (but pretty chill about Barnes) and the effect it had on the game as a spectacle, but emphatic that it in no way diminished SA's victory

Sards, I don't do social media, and have zero interest in the opinions of twitter or facebook hardmen. It wouldn't surprise me if the interwebs is full of feral death-threateners. But they're not representative of genuine rugby supporters, from anywhere in the world, and it doesn't make sense to me to get wound up over a bunch of anonymous dickheads. Anyway, that's just my perspective, fwiw.

Gumboot. Spot on, i have watched a couple of NZ shows and coverage as well. This is exactly what has been said. By jeff wilson, mils, izzy dagg, kirwan and others. Don't listen to the crap posted here on a internet forum. The saffers here should watch those shows and listen to what those guys are saying. The only thing that is tiresome is the kak posted here.

I was forced to watch the final on Stuff. The constant nagging from the commentators at half time and at the end about how their showpiece event was ruined was an eye opener. Izzy Dagg was the worst of the lot.
It's real shitty to commend your opponent and then end with a but "they're so boring, the refs against us, our show piece event was ruined".

In the heat of the moment, you see a person's true feeling surface. Give them a few days to cool down and they'll all appear all gracious and proper.

[Sards]

Vok dit. Just stop the RWCs......I will be quite happy if it went away with us holding the most wins.

[Paddington Bear]

It was a good tournament - a pity the draw was screwed up but that's my only major gripe.

For me:
Draw as above
Piped music at every break in play. Has a place for tier 2 games with a lot of neutrals, but in the knockouts?
Too many games lacked jeopardy. More knockout rugby please
Went on a week too long

[Muttonbird]

I was really hoping that the NZ Supporters wouldn't pull a French or English bitch fest after the match. Mostly the posters on here have been reasonable. Out there it's horrendous. From fans to ex players and coaches.

I am also tired of the " we were the better team playing better rugby " after a loss.

It really is becoming unpleasant. Not just unpleasant. Tiresome.

For me they can rather just stop the RWCs . Do away with them. It's better for all concerned especially the officials.

I find that very odd, having watched several NZ rugby shows since the game and found the pundits' opinions overwhelmingly:

1. proud of the ABs making the Final and getting so close

2. praising of the Boks' ability to always find a way to win, and their great achievement in getting there the hard way

3. (almost) thankful that if we had to lose to anyone, at least it was the Boks, and not bloody England or Australia!

4. critical of the whole TMO situation (but pretty chill about Barnes) and the effect it had on the game as a spectacle, but emphatic that it in no way diminished SA's victory

Sards, I don't do social media, and have zero interest in the opinions of twitter or facebook hardmen. It wouldn't surprise me if the interwebs is full of feral death-threateners. But they're not representative of genuine rugby supporters, from anywhere in the world, and it doesn't make sense to me to get wound up over a bunch of anonymous dickheads. Anyway, that's just my perspective, fwiw.

A majority of our SA supporters in here seem determined to turn this into some sort of 'Kiwis are sore losers' festival which is really weird considering how all of us in here and on the shows you mention have been full of praise towards the Boks and their victory.

It's a shame they can't match the sportsmanship and good spirit their team and captain show.

There's been a few fishing expeditions and that's why I said the crown does not fit comfortably. SA's aren't happy with their lucky win, they are not really sure they are the best. I'm fairly sure they hate the way their team plays. They want further and ongoing praise celebrating the might of South Africa to assuage their insecurities.

Well, they can get fucked because this final was the very worst officiated of all of them so far. Not discounting the possibility the next will be worse still.

[Guy Smiley]

Bugger off MB. You're an embarrassment.

[Muttonbird]

Bugger off MB. You're an embarrassment.

Why did your wife leave you?

[OomStruisbaai]

Bugger off MB. You're an embarrassment.

Why did your wife leave you?

You and Biffer struggle to not overstep. Please Boet you really are better then this.

[Muttonbird]

Bugger off MB. You're an embarrassment.

Why did your wife leave you?

You and Biffer struggle to not overstep. Please Boet you really are better then this.

There's no need for GS to directly attack me and tell me to bugger off. Why do it? My response is basically questioning why he has to attack people, in the form of being attacked himself. GS has delighted in having a go at me for half a generation now. I do not give a damn.

[Muttonbird]

Steve Hansen calls for the TMO to be scrapped altogether:

Former All Blacks and Rugby World Cup winning coach Sir Steve Hansen is calling for the TMO to be scrapped, claiming fans are being turned away in their droves by the game being refereed in replay.

“Gone are the days when the referee has control of the game in rugby,” Hansen said. He felt even Barnes was getting frustrated himself with the stop-start nature of the final and said referees are no longer getting a fair crack.

“It’s time to sack the TMO, get rid of it out of our game, other than when the referee asks ‘is there any reason why I can't award this try or is there any reason why I should award this try’,” Hansen told The Breakdown.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby-wor ... ugby-rules

I haven't seen many SA's calling for change in the way the game is officiated. I wonder why...

[Ymx]

The non non handshake

[TedMaul]

Let’s see if Average Joe stops playing with his Lego and his meme generator and says sorry.

[Ymx]

Bugger off MB. You're an embarrassment.

Why did your wife leave you?

Even for me that’s a bit low. There was no charges from what Guy said, just vile accusations.


Anyway he’s happily re-married

Forgot this was on...

after waiting 4 years because of visa issues and then Covid, I finally have a wife with me here in NZ. Picked her up yesterday at 6am. She's in the shower just now and I remembered this... welcome to Friday nights at home, honey.

https://notplanetrugby.com/viewtopic.ph ... 15#p274215

[Muttonbird]

Great. Moving forward, how about when people are talking about rugby Guy doesn't jump in with a personal attack.

I think everyone can get on board with that.

[Guy Smiley]

This all went just a fucking tad stalky...

which shouldn't surprise me considering the protagonists.

[Uncle fester]

I was really hoping that the NZ Supporters wouldn't pull a French or English bitch fest after the match. Mostly the posters on here have been reasonable. Out there it's horrendous. From fans to ex players and coaches.

I am also tired of the " we were the better team playing better rugby " after a loss.

It really is becoming unpleasant. Not just unpleasant. Tiresome.

For me they can rather just stop the RWCs . Do away with them. It's better for all concerned especially the officials.

I find that very odd, having watched several NZ rugby shows since the game and found the pundits' opinions overwhelmingly:

1. proud of the ABs making the Final and getting so close

2. praising of the Boks' ability to always find a way to win, and their great achievement in getting there the hard way

3. (almost) thankful that if we had to lose to anyone, at least it was the Boks, and not bloody England or Australia!

4. critical of the whole TMO situation (but pretty chill about Barnes) and the effect it had on the game as a spectacle, but emphatic that it in no way diminished SA's victory

Sards, I don't do social media, and have zero interest in the opinions of twitter or facebook hardmen. It wouldn't surprise me if the interwebs is full of feral death-threateners. But they're not representative of genuine rugby supporters, from anywhere in the world, and it doesn't make sense to me to get wound up over a bunch of anonymous dickheads. Anyway, that's just my perspective, fwiw.

A majority of our SA supporters in here seem determined to turn this into some sort of 'Kiwis are sore losers' festival which is really weird considering how all of us in here and on the shows you mention have been full of praise towards the Boks and their victory.

It's a shame they can't match the sportsmanship and good spirit their team and captain show.

Not just the saffers thinking this when you have Hansen wanting to rewrite the role of the TMO in a way that would suit the most undisciplined team at the rwc.

[OomStruisbaai]

I find that very odd, having watched several NZ rugby shows since the game and found the pundits' opinions overwhelmingly:

1. proud of the ABs making the Final and getting so close

2. praising of the Boks' ability to always find a way to win, and their great achievement in getting there the hard way

3. (almost) thankful that if we had to lose to anyone, at least it was the Boks, and not bloody England or Australia!

4. critical of the whole TMO situation (but pretty chill about Barnes) and the effect it had on the game as a spectacle, but emphatic that it in no way diminished SA's victory

Sards, I don't do social media, and have zero interest in the opinions of twitter or facebook hardmen. It wouldn't surprise me if the interwebs is full of feral death-threateners. But they're not representative of genuine rugby supporters, from anywhere in the world, and it doesn't make sense to me to get wound up over a bunch of anonymous dickheads. Anyway, that's just my perspective, fwiw.

A majority of our SA supporters in here seem determined to turn this into some sort of 'Kiwis are sore losers' festival which is really weird considering how all of us in here and on the shows you mention have been full of praise towards the Boks and their victory.

It's a shame they can't match the sportsmanship and good spirit their team and captain show.

Not just the saffers thinking this when you have Hansen wanting to rewrite the role of the TMO in a way that would suit the most undisciplined team at the rwc.

Cant blame him, assisting Eddie Jones and the Wallabies didnt help his case but changed his thoughts on the game.

[average joe]

Let’s see if Average Joe stops playing with his Lego and his meme generator and says sorry.

For what?

[Slick]

Bugger off MB. You're an embarrassment.

Why did your wife leave you?

Fuck me you are a sad cunt.

[Sards]

Not just the saffers thinking this when you have Hansen wanting to rewrite the role of the TMO in a way that would suit the most undisciplined team at the rwc.

Another great experience for me has been the fact that all those having a whinge at the refs and decisions have had most of these arguments put to bed , thanks to technology. Hansen is just stretching now........Apparantly Razor will sort this out now.

[TedMaul]

Let’s see if Average Joe stops playing with his Lego and his meme generator and says sorry.

For what?

The bullshit about Barrett and Cyril Ramaphosa

[Grandpa]

Let’s see if Average Joe stops playing with his Lego and his meme generator and says sorry.

For what?

The bullshit about Barrett and Cyril Ramaphosa

Wasn't that Oom?

[OomStruisbaai]

For what?

The bullshit about Barrett and Cyril Ramaphosa

Wasn't that Oom?

Nah, I had a laugh about it. However did mention it.

[average joe]

I never commented on that. Whether he shake his hand or not does not matter to me. It's not his president anyways.

[average joe]

Actually, I was pretty pissed off with the French for making the AB players stand there and wait for so long. And then expect them to parade up on a stage and shake people's hands to receive loser's medals. I bet all of them just wanted to get to the change rooms, take a warm shower and head to the hotel.

Don't know why they felt it necessary to film them crying while our players were celebrating in front of them. It felt demeaning and unnecessary.

[TedMaul]

See the Barrett broers ignored CR at the medal ceremony.

He gave them the look.

It was Oom!
I fingered the wrong man. Sorry Joe.

[OomStruisbaai]

See the Barrett broers ignored CR at the medal ceremony.

He gave them the look.

It was Oom!
I fingered the wrong man. Sorry Joe.

Joe love the finger.

I didnt complain about him ignoring CR. I enjoy it.

[OomStruisbaai]

Actually, I was pretty pissed off with the French for making the AB players stand there and wait for so long. And then expect them to parade up on a stage and shake people's hands to receive loser's medals. I bet all of them just wanted to get to the change rooms, take a warm shower and head to the hotel.

Don't know why they felt it necessary to film them crying while our players were celebrating in front of them. It felt demeaning and unnecessary.

I mention it on the match thread. Thought they handles it very well, it wasnt like in 2019 when the English took their medals off.

[westport]

Will chuck this in here

Barnsey has retired, great ref and a great guy

[Grandpa]

Will chuck this in here

Barnsey has retired, great ref and a great guy

Was gonna retire 4 years ago.. but was talked into staying another 4 years... the final was a bonus way to go out. Great ref.