So, coronavirus...

[eldanielfire]

Reports in the Australian media today that the UK is entering a 2nd wave. Stay safe boets

Interestingly, these reports are in the same media that has been demanding that Australian states ease restrictions for months. So I guess governments are damned either way?

That's the issue. At one end we have moronic anti-maskers who oppose any intervention regardless of death rates from pure denial, then we have the extremist "we should have never left lockdown ever" types. Sadly extremist opinion always gets over represented in media. Most people are sympathetic to their governments making difficult decisions in a first time event in our lifetimes.

[eldanielfire]

I don't disagree.

Unfortunately we panicked people so much (rightly so) that they are fixated on numbers and aren't really factoring in the increased ability to catch cases so we get headlines like 'most cases since April!!!!!!!' without much explanation that it's not comparable.

We are not really being helped by the media.

I've known quite a few journalists and most of them are pretty clueless when it comes to numbers, unfortunately.

Also true of politicians. Last time I checked there were 5 out of 650 MPs at Westminster who had a STEM degree.

Just checked and it’s changed a fair amount, it’s twenty something now. But that’s still shockingly low.

Agreed. Just shows how many useless pricks there are in politics.

[eldanielfire]

A 20k fine and some jailtime would not be excessive

A 1k fine would be right. 20k for any establishment that allows rule breaking maybe.

[eldanielfire]

A 20k fine and some jailtime would not be excessive

I did think something similar but thought maybe I was being a bit mean.


I dont understand what is going on overall. Its like some people have forgotten the last 7 months and couldnt care less about the consequnces.
Looking at the younger generation here.

Wash hands, wear a mask, social distance. If you do that it, shouldnt spread .


Came across a Twitch stream of Swedish girls in Italy just totally not giving a monkeys

Yeah yeah, lol Swedish girls on Twitch

It was a random thing

LInk? I assume Rule 1 is still a law on this forum.

[eldanielfire]

Well shit - wanna poor more fear onto me?

A new study of more than one million people suggests those with a certain blood type are less at risk of contracting Covid-19 than others.

The study of 1.05 million participants over four months, published on medrxiv.org, has found people with O-type blood may be less susceptible to contracting coronavirus.

The results have not been peer reviewed.

The study is based on research results from personal genomics and biotechnology company 23andMe, which conducted the work this year. So probably means I am safe. Phew

It found people with O-type blood appear to be at a lower risk of being infected and also are less likely to have a severe case of the disease.

I'm O positive. I'm kinda hoping this is true

[TB63]

Fuck you...

AB Rh negative. ..

[eldanielfire]

(Btw masks are a placebo ).

So you think people wearing a mask will not spread infection only because they believe it? FFS!

[eldanielfire]

[Bimbowomxn]

(Btw masks are a placebo ).

So you think people wearing a mask will not spread infection only because they believe it? FFS!

Erm, the meaning of placebo was cleared up a while ago. Try and keep up.

[eldanielfire]

Cathy Newman on C4 news really can be shite. Desperately trying to get 3 experts to disagree with each other but all 3 started almost every reply with “we are all agreed on this” but still she thrashed.

She pretty much wreaked her reputation with Jordan Peterson. But she is always desperate for conflict. I suspect because she doesn't read deeply into many topics, she can't facilitate a deeper informative discussion when there is nothing to argue about.

[eldanielfire]

(Btw masks are a placebo ).

So you think people wearing a mask will not spread infection only because they believe it? FFS!

Erm, the meaning of placebo was cleared up a while ago. Try and keep up.

[sturginho]

(Btw masks are a placebo ).

So you think people wearing a mask will not spread infection only because they believe it? FFS!

Erm, the meaning of placebo was cleared up a while ago. Try and keep up.

A friend in need is a friend indeed

[Bimbowomxn]

Thread.

[eldanielfire]

Uptick in cases in Sweden. Now doing various local measures to control it:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... ion-signs/

[Insane_Homer]

[Bimbowomxn]

[SaintK]

Thread.

Yasy..................you win again

[Bimbowomxn]

Thread.

Yasy..................you win again

An odd response to an alternate view.

Unless you think we will have a successful vaccine fairly soon another approach to “lockdowns” is going to have to be taken.

[Insane_Homer]

[Niegs]

Some analysis from Canada:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/public-h ... -1.5733069

[SaintK]

Thread.

Yay..................you win again

An odd response to an alternate view.

Unless you think we will have a successful vaccine fairly soon another approach to “lockdowns” is going to have to be taken.

You prefaced your post with "Thread"
So was working on the basis that you thought the thread was done and dusted and your argument had won
No vaccine until next Spring at a guess and another lockdown at some stage this year also at a guess

[Un Pilier]

Pretty reasonable guesses, I’d say SaintK.

I don’t think the lockdown will be quite as severe as the original one, but the new measures announced so far are unlikely to be enough.

[yermum]

A Colleague of mine that works with a pro cycling team told me that they had less illness and stomach issues than any other three week tours.

Usually by the third week half the riders and the support staff have the shits or are coming down with illness.

She put it down to mask usage, infection control and social distancing. Obviously placebo is a powerful thing.

[Un Pilier]

A Colleague of mine that works with a pro cycling team told me that they had less illness and stomach issues than any other three week tours.

Usually by the third week half the riders and the support staff have the shits or are coming down with illness.

She put it down to mask usage, infection control and social distancing. Obviously placebo is a powerful thing.

That all makes sense really, though I did worry about some of the mask-free idiots shouting into riders’ faces on some of the climbs. I suppose I needn’t have worried since all the riders will have been briefed about placebos and stuff.

I was wondering earlier today whether there is any information yet on the tour’s impact or lack of on Covid in the general population. Anyone seen any data?

[Bimbowomxn]

A Colleague of mine that works with a pro cycling team told me that they had less illness and stomach issues than any other three week tours.

Usually by the third week half the riders and the support staff have the shits or are coming down with illness.

She put it down to mask usage, infection control and social distancing. Obviously placebo is a powerful thing.

Masks stop digestion illness now as well ?

[yermum]

Norovirus can be spread through coughing or sneezing.

[Saint]

Even if masks were shown to do nothing other than provide a permanent reminder to do the social distancing thing they're worthwhile. The only real risk is if they provide a false sense of security - but fortunately the data shows that if both parties are wearing a mask then there's a significant reduction in transmission

[Bimbowomxn]

Norovirus can be spread through coughing or sneezing.

That’ll be it.

[Bimbowomxn]

Even if masks were shown to do nothing other than provide a permanent reminder to do the social distancing thing they're worthwhile. The only real risk is if they provide a false sense of security - but fortunately the data shows that if both parties are wearing a mask then there's a significant reduction in transmission

The data shows nothing of the sort in practical terms. Plenty of high and early mask use where high cases have appeared.

[Sandstorm]

So a friend sold some stuff on Gumtree. The guy who bought it said “I’ve got Covid, but do you mind if I pop over and collect it today?”

When she said no, he started to get abusive and threaten her. WTF.

[JM2K6]

You prefaced your post with "Thread"
So was working on the basis that you thought the thread was done and dusted and your argument had won
No vaccine until next Spring at a guess and another lockdown at some stage this year also at a guess

It means "I am posting a twitter link that's actually a thread worth reading, not just the single tweet".

Though I'm not sure it actually backs up his argument...

[fishfoodie]

So a friend sold some stuff on Gumtree. The guy who bought it said “I’ve got Covid, but do you mind if I pop over and collect it today?”

When she said no, he started to get abusive and threaten her. WTF.

Almost sounds like the start of a scam ?

You know:

"I've Covid, & don't want to infect you; so why don't you leave the stuff outside, & once I put it in the car, I'll come back & leave an envelope with the money in your letterbox ...."

[Sandstorm]

So a friend sold some stuff on Gumtree. The guy who bought it said “I’ve got Covid, but do you mind if I pop over and collect it today?”

When she said no, he started to get abusive and threaten her. WTF.

Almost sounds like the start of a scam ?

You know:

"I've Covid, & don't want to infect you; so why don't you leave the stuff outside, & once I put it in the car, I'll come back & leave an envelope with the money in your letterbox ...."

Maybe. This’ll get Bimboh frothing in his y-fronts, but she’s getting in contact with the Police to report this fool.

[Saint]

Even if masks were shown to do nothing other than provide a permanent reminder to do the social distancing thing they're worthwhile. The only real risk is if they provide a false sense of security - but fortunately the data shows that if both parties are wearing a mask then there's a significant reduction in transmission

The data shows nothing of the sort in practical terms. Plenty of high and early mask use where high cases have appeared.

Early mask usage has come in areas where there has been high cases. You’re mistaking the cause for the high correlation

[Bimbowomxn]

Even if masks were shown to do nothing other than provide a permanent reminder to do the social distancing thing they're worthwhile. The only real risk is if they provide a false sense of security - but fortunately the data shows that if both parties are wearing a mask then there's a significant reduction in transmission

The data shows nothing of the sort in practical terms. Plenty of high and early mask use where high cases have appeared.

Early mask usage has come in areas where there has been high cases. You’re mistaking the cause for the high correlation

I’m pointing out there’s plenty of places with early adoption and tight mask policies that are in worse places than more laissez faire approaches. If masks worked we wouldn’t see this.

[Saint]

The data shows nothing of the sort in practical terms. Plenty of high and early mask use where high cases have appeared.

Early mask usage has come in areas where there has been high cases. You’re mistaking the cause for the high correlation

I’m pointing out there’s plenty of places with early adoption and tight mask policies that are in worse places than more laissez faire approaches. If masks worked we wouldn’t see this.

There's far more to it than that. I'm fed up of people talking about this stuff as if there's a single cause/effect/cure. It's provable that wearing a mask, even a basic mask, reduces the propagation of viruses particles. Bug that doesn't make wearing a mask a method by itself to stop virus propagation.

Anyway, onto ignore for you.

[Guy Smiley]

The data shows nothing of the sort in practical terms. Plenty of high and early mask use where high cases have appeared.

Early mask usage has come in areas where there has been high cases. You’re mistaking the cause for the high correlation

I’m pointing out there’s plenty of places with early adoption and tight mask policies that are in worse places than more laissez faire approaches. If masks worked we wouldn’t see this.

Southeast Asia shits on your cornflakes Bimboh.

[yermum]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 3620311429

Our search identified 172 observational studies across 16 countries and six continents, with no randomised controlled trials and 44 relevant comparative studies in health-care and non-health-care settings (n=25 697 patients). Transmission of viruses was lower with physical distancing of 1 m or more, compared with a distance of less than 1 m (n=10 736, pooled adjusted odds ratio [aOR] 0·18, 95% CI 0·09 to 0·38; risk difference [RD] −10·2%, 95% CI −11·5 to −7·5; moderate certainty); protection was increased as distance was lengthened (change in relative risk [RR] 2·02 per m; pinteraction=0·041; moderate certainty). Face mask use could result in a large reduction in risk of infection (n=2647; aOR 0·15, 95% CI 0·07 to 0·34, RD −14·3%, −15·9 to −10·7; low certainty), with stronger associations with N95 or similar respirators compared with disposable surgical masks or similar (eg, reusable 12–16-layer cotton masks; pinteraction=0·090; posterior probability >95%, low certainty). Eye protection also was associated with less infection (n=3713; aOR 0·22, 95% CI 0·12 to 0·39, RD −10·6%, 95% CI −12·5 to −7·7; low certainty). Unadjusted studies and subgroup and sensitivity analyses showed similar findings

also this

We use the synthetic control method to analyze the effect of face masks on the spread of Covid-19 in Germany. Our identification approach exploits regional variation in the point in time when face masks became compulsory. Depending on the region we analyse, we find that face masks reduced the cumulative number of registered Covid-19 cases between 2.3% and 13% over a period of 10 days after they became compulsory. Assessing the credibility of the various estimates, we conclude that face masks reduce the daily growth rate of reported infections by around 40%

And this

It was found that even the smallest mask intervention had an effect long-term in the simulations. Even with just 11% protection (the low compliance case), there was an effect on the numbers of active infections. If intensive care units are working close to capacity, this could mean that even adoption of the simplest mask could result in a large reduction in deaths. Furthermore, this effect was found to compound over time so that after several weeks there is a large decrease in the number of new COVID-19 cases. This is reminiscent of interest-on-interest in a bank account, when the interest becomes sizable after applied repeatedly. With mask protection > 50% protection was simulated, the effect on the size of the epidemic was dramatic, from about 1 million to zero fatalities (Table 3). It therefore appears that wearing of N95 masks (85% protection assumed) by the population can
dramatically reduce the number of COVID-19 cases. There was no different between the two mask interventions with the highest protection factor.

Feel free to email the authors with your rebuttals.

[Carter's Choice]

So just to clarify, on one side of the argument we have all world's leading epidemiologists, who are in almost in universal agreement that wearing face masks can help slow the spread of Covid-19. And on the other side of the argument we have bimboman, an internet troll with no medical qualifications, who likes making outlandish posts on a rugby forum to attract negative attention. It's really tough to know which side to believe

[robmatic]

So just to clarify, on one side of the argument we have all world's leading epidemiologists, who are in almost in universal agreement that wearing face masks can help slow the spread of Covid-19. And on the other side of the argument we have bimboman, an internet troll with no medical qualifications, who likes making outlandish posts on a rugby forum to attract negative attention. It's really tough to know which side to believe

Bimbo plus some cranks on Youtube.