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Slick wrote: Sat Jun 07, 2025 2:47 pm
Tichtheid wrote: Sat Jun 07, 2025 2:42 pm
fishfoodie wrote: Sat Jun 07, 2025 2:24 pm

It'd be interesting to have some provisional Scottish rejoin agreement which has notional support from the EU first; that would mean that you weren't just voting for Independence, but for EU membership, which might win over some folks who weren't particularly Nationalists, but definitely felt Leave was a mistake & wanted back in.

That's a fair point, I would hope there would be some kind of agreement in principle - the current Scottish Government's position is that they would want to apply to re-join as an independent country
Why do you even discuss this, you are perfectly aware it is total fantasy
This from the guy expecting senior Tories and labour folk to sit down round a table and talk about a post Indy Scotland 🥴
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Biffer wrote: Sat Jun 07, 2025 3:09 pm
Slick wrote: Sat Jun 07, 2025 2:47 pm
Tichtheid wrote: Sat Jun 07, 2025 2:42 pm


That's a fair point, I would hope there would be some kind of agreement in principle - the current Scottish Government's position is that they would want to apply to re-join as an independent country
Why do you even discuss this, you are perfectly aware it is total fantasy
This from the guy expecting senior Tories and labour folk to sit down round a table and talk about a post Indy Scotland 🥴
Yeah, exactly the same
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Slick wrote: Sat Jun 07, 2025 2:58 pm
Tichtheid wrote: Sat Jun 07, 2025 2:50 pm
Slick wrote: Sat Jun 07, 2025 2:47 pm

Why do you even discuss this, you are perfectly aware it is total fantasy


The Scottish government's position is to apply to re-join. https://www.gov.scot/publications/indep ... ean-union/
It might well be, and if we had independence I would 100% agree. But you are an extremely precise and well researched individual and you know fine well that a pre agreement from the EU is utter fantasy and impossible for any number of reasons, so why pretend otherwise.

I don't think it's particularly controversial to suggest Scotland could seek confirmation of an expedited application process due unique circumstances - ie being part of a former member and being very closely aligned to the required EU criteria for membership.

We wouldn't be starting as far away from alignment as others might.
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fishfoodie wrote: Sat Jun 07, 2025 3:08 pm
Slick wrote: Sat Jun 07, 2025 2:58 pm
Tichtheid wrote: Sat Jun 07, 2025 2:50 pm



The Scottish government's position is to apply to re-join. https://www.gov.scot/publications/indep ... ean-union/
It might well be, and if we had independence I would 100% agree. But you are an extremely precise and well researched individual and you know fine well that a pre agreement from the EU is utter fantasy and impossible for any number of reasons, so why pretend otherwise.
Well it's not going to be something that can happen immediately, but you can form a working group with Academics, Economists , Legal experts et al & make a list of all the Laws, & Standards etc that will need to change, & then get the EU to agree that these are the gaps, which obviously should be slight given you were members, then the you put together draft legislation & a schedule to implement the changes.

The difficult bit is obviously the Euro, because there you'd have to meet the entry standards everyone else did, so I suppose on day one you'd have the Scottish pound, which was worth the same as GBP, but a number have Countries have gone thru the process, so it's no mystery, & once you have credible plans, & you show you're serious you'll convince more people than the hand wavy stuff & just telling people it's be easy, & "Trust us"
You think the EU are going to start negotiating with Scotland above the head of the U.K. government before a referendum? Come on.

This quite apart from the fact that at least 3 countries will veto the whole thing anyway and it only needs one.

I’m done, it’s so utter ridiculous and (this isn’t at you) another example of how intelligent people will just suspend all their normal rationality and twist logic to make this particular argument fit. As I say, total fantasy and everyone knows it
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Agree its largely fantasy that the EU was or is going to prepare some special sweetheart accession deal for Scotland (would which would require a treaty change) - Salmond wasted alot of taxpayers money trying to suppress this in 2014. Even during the height of brexit with Sturgeon trapsing around european capitals it did not get a serious hearing and ended up with the SNP settling shining a Saltire onto the EU commision building for some reason.

I also think particulary post Ukraine/brexit melodrama non-one is interested in fucking around like this anymore - the EU commision has a clear mandate to improve the current settlement with the UK.

I wonder what the attraction of the EU is for Scottish nationalists other than differing from the rest of the UK? Trade with the EU is much less than with the rest of the UK and even the USA, and joining the EU would require placing barriers to both those markets. Plus in the political; sense the rest of the EU is not really looking like a beacon of liberal democracy or economic vibrancy.
You think the EU are going to start negotiating with Scotland above the head of the U.K. government before a referendum? Come on.
People who say this also think the rest of the UK would underwrite a Scottish pound and pay Scottish pensions post independance, its fantasy.
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Tichtheid wrote: Sat Jun 07, 2025 1:51 pm
robmatic wrote: Sat Jun 07, 2025 1:42 pm
Tichtheid wrote: Sat Jun 07, 2025 1:28 pm


I reckon Scottish Labour in an Indy Scotland, off the lease from London, would gladly represent the Scottish electorate on rejoining.

The Tories and Reform would oppose it of course, the idiotic dicks that they are.
They may be idiotic dicks, but there is no sign of a consensus emerging in the Scottish electorate that would preclude them representing a substantial proportion of the people if they did oppose it.

The way I see it panning out, if it happens, is that post-Indy, there is a referendum on rejoining, if that passes then it would be incumbent on the parties to represent the electorate, just as it has been since the Brexit vote over the whole of the UK.
At Westminster, the Greens explicitly want to rejoin the EU, the Lib Dems were the 'stop Brexit' party for a while and now just want to 'rejoin the Single Market' :wink: and Labour campaigned the 2019 General Election on having another referendum with the option of remaining in the EU.
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robmatic wrote: Sun Jun 08, 2025 9:21 am
Tichtheid wrote: Sat Jun 07, 2025 1:51 pm
robmatic wrote: Sat Jun 07, 2025 1:42 pm

They may be idiotic dicks, but there is no sign of a consensus emerging in the Scottish electorate that would preclude them representing a substantial proportion of the people if they did oppose it.

The way I see it panning out, if it happens, is that post-Indy, there is a referendum on rejoining, if that passes then it would be incumbent on the parties to represent the electorate, just as it has been since the Brexit vote over the whole of the UK.
At Westminster, the Greens explicitly want to rejoin the EU, the Lib Dems were the 'stop Brexit' party for a while and now just want to 'rejoin the Single Market' :wink: and Labour campaigned the 2019 General Election on having another referendum with the option of remaining in the EU.

This from Labour List

Labour’s 2024 general election manifesto has explicitly pledged to keep the UK outside of the European Union – despite pressure from other parties to pursue closer ties.

The party’s policy document declares it will be “confident in our status outside of the EU”, but expressed a desire for the UK to be a “leading nation” on the continent.

It also rules out a return to the European single market and customs union or a reintroduction for freedom of movement.
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Tichtheid wrote: Sun Jun 08, 2025 9:59 am
robmatic wrote: Sun Jun 08, 2025 9:21 am
Tichtheid wrote: Sat Jun 07, 2025 1:51 pm


The way I see it panning out, if it happens, is that post-Indy, there is a referendum on rejoining, if that passes then it would be incumbent on the parties to represent the electorate, just as it has been since the Brexit vote over the whole of the UK.
At Westminster, the Greens explicitly want to rejoin the EU, the Lib Dems were the 'stop Brexit' party for a while and now just want to 'rejoin the Single Market' :wink: and Labour campaigned the 2019 General Election on having another referendum with the option of remaining in the EU.

This from Labour List

Labour’s 2024 general election manifesto has explicitly pledged to keep the UK outside of the European Union – despite pressure from other parties to pursue closer ties.

The party’s policy document declares it will be “confident in our status outside of the EU”, but expressed a desire for the UK to be a “leading nation” on the continent.

It also rules out a return to the European single market and customs union or a reintroduction for freedom of movement.
Yep, and it has taken 8 years and a lot of internal wrangling within the party to reach that position where they 'represent the electorate'.
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robmatic wrote: Sun Jun 08, 2025 10:04 am
Tichtheid wrote: Sun Jun 08, 2025 9:59 am
robmatic wrote: Sun Jun 08, 2025 9:21 am

At Westminster, the Greens explicitly want to rejoin the EU, the Lib Dems were the 'stop Brexit' party for a while and now just want to 'rejoin the Single Market' :wink: and Labour campaigned the 2019 General Election on having another referendum with the option of remaining in the EU.

This from Labour List

Labour’s 2024 general election manifesto has explicitly pledged to keep the UK outside of the European Union – despite pressure from other parties to pursue closer ties.

The party’s policy document declares it will be “confident in our status outside of the EU”, but expressed a desire for the UK to be a “leading nation” on the continent.

It also rules out a return to the European single market and customs union or a reintroduction for freedom of movement.
Yep, and it has taken 8 years and a lot of internal wrangling within the party to reach that position where they 'represent the electorate'.


In middle of the night of the Brexit vote, when it looked very much like Remain was going to win by a couple of points, Farage said if it was that close then the matter wasn’t closed, not by a long chalk.

I don’t think anyone can realistically expect a vote that close can be the end of the discussion, yet these people did when it went their way.
Many were shocked by what the vote meant in realty, with subsidies being cut to Brexit voting areas etc.

In Scotland’s case of course not one electoral area voted to leave
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Slick wrote: Thu Jun 05, 2025 3:19 pm I’m heading back down after a few days working in Aberdeen. Have to say, I really don’t enjoy the city at all but just about everyone you meet who has moved there says they end up loving it.

Anyway, having been going up and down for the best part of a decade I don’t think I’ve ever seen it quite so depressed. The U.K. and Scottish governments hydrocarbon policies are absolutely ripping the soul out of the place. I was speaking with an SG person this morning and they were proudly telling me about a scheme that has been introduced where if a company announced redundancies of 50 or more they jump in to try and find new jobs for the workers. Rather bolting the stable door etc. Made me pretty angry.

There were also complaints about how ungrateful these people were as they jumped ship from their new hospitality job back to O&G as soon as any new jobs appeared - of course they fucking would, the pay is about 5x better.

It just seems utter madness that we are running down a highly profitable sector, and a very proud region, with nothing to replace it whilst importing oil from all over the world.
Rumours abound of a reverse ferret on at least some exploration soon
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Slick wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 4:45 pm
Slick wrote: Thu Jun 05, 2025 3:19 pm I’m heading back down after a few days working in Aberdeen. Have to say, I really don’t enjoy the city at all but just about everyone you meet who has moved there says they end up loving it.

Anyway, having been going up and down for the best part of a decade I don’t think I’ve ever seen it quite so depressed. The U.K. and Scottish governments hydrocarbon policies are absolutely ripping the soul out of the place. I was speaking with an SG person this morning and they were proudly telling me about a scheme that has been introduced where if a company announced redundancies of 50 or more they jump in to try and find new jobs for the workers. Rather bolting the stable door etc. Made me pretty angry.

There were also complaints about how ungrateful these people were as they jumped ship from their new hospitality job back to O&G as soon as any new jobs appeared - of course they fucking would, the pay is about 5x better.

It just seems utter madness that we are running down a highly profitable sector, and a very proud region, with nothing to replace it whilst importing oil from all over the world.
Rumours abound of a reverse ferret on at least some exploration soon
You cannot extract what is no longer there..... The UKCS basin is now a very mature, its just about managing decline. The reduction in the oil price due to global economic factors, well outside the control of both the SG & UK Governments is probably far more significant than the current tax regime - but it does allow E&P companies to pin the tail of redundancies to an easy

I expect that Rosebank will get approval , but the effects on the Aberdeen economy would be negligible, but outside that most of the E&P companies have much more lucrative opportunities in other parts of the world, and even a reversal in the current tax policy I suspect would make no difference.

Interesting that you bring up the SG initiative for redundancies, the usual modus operandi for redundancies in Aberdeen is to be offered help as part of the package to get back into employment through the services of a recruitment / HR company - my experience ( and that of many others that I have worked with ) is that they bring in an external company, usually from south of the border , who have not a clue about the specific North East Scotland / Oil & Gas environment. What has been different and more positive is that at least the SG scheme has provided more local support , usually with much better outcomes.
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Looks like the carbon capture plant will finally be funded

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg5v9ejez2po
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Just been highlighted to me how much of an additional boost there will be to arts and culture in the next few years in Edinburgh. I knew about all these things but hadn't put them together.

1. Filmhouse reopening, a proper indy cinema playing all sorts from around the world and a hub for the film festival again.
2. Kings Theatre getting fully refurbished, will attract top level companies and talent again.
3. Leith Theatre saved and money to repair and refurbish. A great gig venue and a place for theatre and community which will hopefully buzz with life again
4. The major new indoor arena at Edinburgh Park
5. The new National Centre for Music in the old High School
6. A new concert hall off St Andrews Square

I think it's fantastic, never mind the standard Edinburgh naysayers asking why that money can't be spent fixing potholes.
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Got to be honest, I'm all in favour of this

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0j48z5e62zo
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Biffer wrote: Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:31 pm Got to be honest, I'm all in favour of this

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0j48z5e62zo
Yes, although the restrictions in Edinburgh don't really seem to have brought much more availability back to the residential letting sector yet.

It would be nice to see some joined-up thinking following on from this as well. Seven thousand short-term holiday let licenses being applied for implies that there is a fairly hefty mismatch between tourist demand in the Highlands and capacity provided by actual businesses subject to proper regulation. We could build some hotels and employ some people in a region that would benefit from some economic development.
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robmatic wrote: Mon Jun 23, 2025 7:22 pm
Biffer wrote: Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:31 pm Got to be honest, I'm all in favour of this

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0j48z5e62zo
Yes, although the restrictions in Edinburgh don't really seem to have brought much more availability back to the residential letting sector yet.

It would be nice to see some joined-up thinking following on from this as well. Seven thousand short-term holiday let licenses being applied for implies that there is a fairly hefty mismatch between tourist demand in the Highlands and capacity provided by actual businesses subject to proper regulation. We could build some hotels and employ some people in a region that would benefit from some economic development.
The Hotel and the self catering holiday accommodations are really two different sectors.

The cost of hotels these days are becoming prohibitively expensive for the Family of the Clapham Omnibus, who are more now looking at self catering options to keep costs down.
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robmatic wrote: Mon Jun 23, 2025 7:22 pm
Biffer wrote: Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:31 pm Got to be honest, I'm all in favour of this

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0j48z5e62zo
Yes, although the restrictions in Edinburgh don't really seem to have brought much more availability back to the residential letting sector yet.

It would be nice to see some joined-up thinking following on from this as well. Seven thousand short-term holiday let licenses being applied for implies that there is a fairly hefty mismatch between tourist demand in the Highlands and capacity provided by actual businesses subject to proper regulation. We could build some hotels and employ some people in a region that would benefit from some economic development.
I've never looked at it as a quick win. See what the effect is in five years. And you're right about additional tourist accommodation, but more self catering that's not high end fucking timeshare might be a better bet
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Another slow hand clap for Scottish government delivery regarding the roll out of the much vaunted and comprehensive NHS App.

When I say comprehensive I mean if you live in Lanarkshire and have a dermatology issue, because that's all it's going to cover.

Cracking stuff again.
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Slick wrote: Thu Jun 26, 2025 8:48 am Another slow hand clap for Scottish government delivery regarding the roll out of the much vaunted and comprehensive NHS App.

When I say comprehensive I mean if you live in Lanarkshire and have a dermatology issue, because that's all it's going to cover.

Cracking stuff again.

I can't find this - the only thing I can find is a company being awarded the contract to deliver the Digital Front Door app at the end of last month

https://www.digitalhealth.net/2025/05/b ... -contract/
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Tichtheid wrote: Thu Jun 26, 2025 9:19 am
Slick wrote: Thu Jun 26, 2025 8:48 am Another slow hand clap for Scottish government delivery regarding the roll out of the much vaunted and comprehensive NHS App.

When I say comprehensive I mean if you live in Lanarkshire and have a dermatology issue, because that's all it's going to cover.

Cracking stuff again.

I can't find this - the only thing I can find is a company being awarded the contract to deliver the Digital Front Door app at the end of last month

https://www.digitalhealth.net/2025/05/b ... -contract/
It would take some doing to dislodge the ferries fiasco as the Scottish government’s most embarrassing policy failure. But the lamentable saga of the new NHS Scotland app looks like a contender.

Turning around a troubled 120-year-old shipyard must be difficult and I do not envy the managers at Ferguson Marine on the lower Clyde. But an app? We in Scotland are meant to be good at this kind of thing.

Edinburgh has an international reputation for fintech, the portmanteau word for financial technology. This is hard won. A while ago a senior RBS executive told me how she had transformed the bank’s smartphone app. She split her large team into small groups, told each of them to think of themselves as a Silicon Valley start-up, then banished them from the office until they had come up with a world-beating solution. It worked.

Scotland is currently home to more than 200 fintech companies. A government website boasts this success is “led by some of the world’s leading experts in the fields of data, cybersecurity, artificial intelligence, machine learning and blockchain”.

This is something of which we should be proud. But any international advantage we might claim is somewhat undermined when our government’s flagship technology project is reminiscent of a ferry with painted-on windows.

In recent weeks I have used my elderly smartphone to book dinner at my favourite restaurant, top up an Isa, buy a rail ticket to Dundee to visit my mother, check in for a transatlantic flight, transfer a large sum of money between bank accounts and purchase numerous second-hand books I did not need.

And yet if I had been seeking a GP appointment I would have had to phone my local surgery at 8.30am precisely and pray to the gods of telephony that I wasn’t 20th in the queue. Trying to secure a doctor’s appointment is like operating a teddy-picker in an amusement arcade.

John Swinney is acutely aware of deep public frustration over GP appointments. In January he decided to step in. After receiving assurances from fellow ministers he announced that the Scottish NHS’s “digital front door” would finally be launched in December.

This has proved a tad overoptimistic.

This week The Times reported that the December app launch will cover just one medical speciality: dermatology. And only in one health board area: Lanarkshire. If you live in Carluke and suffer from eczema, this is great news. For the rest of us, less so.

Why has a comprehensive NHS Scotland app been such a struggle? It is not as if this is some kind of digital Everest. Denmark has had an app for two decades. England’s app — which allows patients to manage hospital appointments, check test results, order repeat prescriptions and access records — has been operational for six years.

What seems to be lacking here can be summed up in one word — grip. Wes Streeting, England’s health secretary, may not be everybody’s cup of tea but it cannot be denied he is very much in charge of the NHS south of the border. Neil Gray, his Scottish counterpart? Not so much.

I accept that systemic issues within the Scottish health service pose particular challenges. We in Scotland have never had a culture within our NHS where the needs of the patient come first. Clinical needs, yes, absolutely. But in terms of making patients feel they are in control of their own care, with full and easy access to their records and a degree of choice in where, when and how they are treated, we have consistently lagged behind England.

In large part this is due to a category error. Scotland’s politicians and health professionals resisted the market reforms introduced by successive Tory and new Labour governments. Sometimes this resistance was justified. But the Scottish health establishment lost sight of the way these reforms can give patients a sense of personal agency over their treatment.

Both baby and bathwater were jettisoned. We would be dealt with where and when and how the Scottish NHS decided. And we would be grateful.

Our NHS app had to negotiate a culture inimical to the very idea of patient choice in a way that was simply not the case south of the border. This goes some way to explaining what has happened. But it does not excuse it.

You can look at this saga as yet another public procurement foul-up. Another Edinburgh trams. A snafu. But this is about more than money and time, important though they undoubtedly are. This is about human beings at some of the most vulnerable moments in their lives.

A patient who feels engaged with their treatment, who feels informed, who feels they have choices, is surely more likely to benefit from that treatment.

Transparency. Communication. Participation. These can produce better outcomes, better recovery times, better survival rates. Yes, a more patient-focused approach can save lives.

No pressure, then.

EDIT: More information here: https://www.scotsman.com/health/the-lon ... nt-5190793
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Well, direct recent comparison between Brighton and East Lothian, the GP service here is much better, ie you can get to see a doctor pretty much as soon as you like and we registered at an NHS dentist this week. We had an NHS dentist in Brighton but the practice was barely staggering from week to week and they were the only practice left in the entire city of Brighton and Hove that was accepting NHS patients. The staff changed very regularly, there were always patients complaining at the desk about shoddy treatment, not from the dentists but from the admin side.

We had a very good dentist for a while but they changed to all private because, according to the dentist who I'd known for about 15 years, the NHS weren't paying them - there was a very long wait between treatment and getting paid for it.

I had very good treatment for long covid from the NHS in England, no complaints on that front, but I didn't see a GP during the entire process, I was referred away from the GP by a practice nurse.
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Tichtheid wrote: Thu Jun 26, 2025 9:34 am Well, direct recent comparison between Brighton and East Lothian, the GP service here is much better, ie you can get to see a doctor pretty much as soon as you like and we registered at an NHS dentist this week. We had an NHS dentist in Brighton but the practice was barely staggering from week to week and they were the only practice left in the entire city of Brighton and Hove that was accepting NHS patients. The staff changed very regularly, there were always patients complaining at the desk about shoddy treatment, not from the dentists but from the admin side.

We had a very good dentist for a while but they changed to all private because, according to the dentist who I'd known for about 15 years, the NHS weren't paying them - there was a very long wait between treatment and getting paid for it.

I had very good treatment for long covid from the NHS in England, no complaints on that front, but I didn't see a GP during the entire process, I was referred away from the GP by a practice nurse.
Yes, I do normally caveat any post I make on the Scottish NHS that, personally, it has been brilliant for me and the family but I guess the figures don't lie and there are huge issues.

Can't find a bloody NHS dentist though!
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Slick wrote: Thu Jun 26, 2025 9:26 am
Tichtheid wrote: Thu Jun 26, 2025 9:19 am
Slick wrote: Thu Jun 26, 2025 8:48 am Another slow hand clap for Scottish government delivery regarding the roll out of the much vaunted and comprehensive NHS App.

When I say comprehensive I mean if you live in Lanarkshire and have a dermatology issue, because that's all it's going to cover.

Cracking stuff again.

I can't find this - the only thing I can find is a company being awarded the contract to deliver the Digital Front Door app at the end of last month

https://www.digitalhealth.net/2025/05/b ... -contract/
It would take some doing to dislodge the ferries fiasco as the Scottish government’s most embarrassing policy failure. But the lamentable saga of the new NHS Scotland app looks like a contender.

Turning around a troubled 120-year-old shipyard must be difficult and I do not envy the managers at Ferguson Marine on the lower Clyde. But an app? We in Scotland are meant to be good at this kind of thing.

Edinburgh has an international reputation for fintech, the portmanteau word for financial technology. This is hard won. A while ago a senior RBS executive told me how she had transformed the bank’s smartphone app. She split her large team into small groups, told each of them to think of themselves as a Silicon Valley start-up, then banished them from the office until they had come up with a world-beating solution. It worked.

Scotland is currently home to more than 200 fintech companies. A government website boasts this success is “led by some of the world’s leading experts in the fields of data, cybersecurity, artificial intelligence, machine learning and blockchain”.

This is something of which we should be proud. But any international advantage we might claim is somewhat undermined when our government’s flagship technology project is reminiscent of a ferry with painted-on windows.

In recent weeks I have used my elderly smartphone to book dinner at my favourite restaurant, top up an Isa, buy a rail ticket to Dundee to visit my mother, check in for a transatlantic flight, transfer a large sum of money between bank accounts and purchase numerous second-hand books I did not need.

And yet if I had been seeking a GP appointment I would have had to phone my local surgery at 8.30am precisely and pray to the gods of telephony that I wasn’t 20th in the queue. Trying to secure a doctor’s appointment is like operating a teddy-picker in an amusement arcade.

John Swinney is acutely aware of deep public frustration over GP appointments. In January he decided to step in. After receiving assurances from fellow ministers he announced that the Scottish NHS’s “digital front door” would finally be launched in December.

This has proved a tad overoptimistic.

This week The Times reported that the December app launch will cover just one medical speciality: dermatology. And only in one health board area: Lanarkshire. If you live in Carluke and suffer from eczema, this is great news. For the rest of us, less so.

Why has a comprehensive NHS Scotland app been such a struggle? It is not as if this is some kind of digital Everest. Denmark has had an app for two decades. England’s app — which allows patients to manage hospital appointments, check test results, order repeat prescriptions and access records — has been operational for six years.

What seems to be lacking here can be summed up in one word — grip. Wes Streeting, England’s health secretary, may not be everybody’s cup of tea but it cannot be denied he is very much in charge of the NHS south of the border. Neil Gray, his Scottish counterpart? Not so much.

I accept that systemic issues within the Scottish health service pose particular challenges. We in Scotland have never had a culture within our NHS where the needs of the patient come first. Clinical needs, yes, absolutely. But in terms of making patients feel they are in control of their own care, with full and easy access to their records and a degree of choice in where, when and how they are treated, we have consistently lagged behind England.

In large part this is due to a category error. Scotland’s politicians and health professionals resisted the market reforms introduced by successive Tory and new Labour governments. Sometimes this resistance was justified. But the Scottish health establishment lost sight of the way these reforms can give patients a sense of personal agency over their treatment.

Both baby and bathwater were jettisoned. We would be dealt with where and when and how the Scottish NHS decided. And we would be grateful.

Our NHS app had to negotiate a culture inimical to the very idea of patient choice in a way that was simply not the case south of the border. This goes some way to explaining what has happened. But it does not excuse it.

You can look at this saga as yet another public procurement foul-up. Another Edinburgh trams. A snafu. But this is about more than money and time, important though they undoubtedly are. This is about human beings at some of the most vulnerable moments in their lives.

A patient who feels engaged with their treatment, who feels informed, who feels they have choices, is surely more likely to benefit from that treatment.

Transparency. Communication. Participation. These can produce better outcomes, better recovery times, better survival rates. Yes, a more patient-focused approach can save lives.

No pressure, then.

EDIT: More information here: https://www.scotsman.com/health/the-lon ... nt-5190793
He did apologise to the tinks though, so that is something.
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