

"The increase began about two weeks after preschools and lower grades reopened in areas where the rate of infection was lowest, and a few days after the second stage of reopening began with more children back in school and shops reopening."dpedin wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:51 am https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/dro ... -1.9566113
Interesting article - worth keeping an eye on Israel and how this story develops? Remember they have higher levels of vaccination than we do when they reduced lock down but also had pockets of very low vaccination rates too.
It's the logistics of doing anything else that's difficult. Doctors surgeries have everyone's date of birth. it's easy to produce a priority list. They don't have people's professions. How do you actually get the priority list made up? How does that then get passed to the medical organisations implementing the vaccines? How does that then get matched back to NHS records so that we don't end up inviting everyone twice, causing huge confusion about whether it's a second invite for the first dose or the first invite for the second dose?tc27 wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:14 am JCVI keeps age based criteria for vaccinations - younger keyworkers will not be able to jump queue.
Hopefully, for me, it can prompt discussion around a centralised and singular national ID number similar to Denmark's, for which separate databases can be conjoined when existing data might be helpful in some scenarios.Biffer wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:35 amIt's the logistics of doing anything else that's difficult. Doctors surgeries have everyone's date of birth. it's easy to produce a priority list. They don't have people's professions. How do you actually get the priority list made up? How does that then get passed to the medical organisations implementing the vaccines? How does that then get matched back to NHS records so that we don't end up inviting everyone twice, causing huge confusion about whether it's a second invite for the first dose or the first invite for the second dose?tc27 wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:14 am JCVI keeps age based criteria for vaccinations - younger keyworkers will not be able to jump queue.
I know a lot of people will give it 'och it can't be that hard', usually they're people who've never had to do something like that and will equate it to some idiotic and irrelevant example from their own personal experience.
Police Federation not at all happy. Something Cressda Dick mentioned earelier this weektc27 wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:14 am JCVI keeps age based criteria for vaccinations - younger keyworkers will not be able to jump queue.
There’s real palpable anger from all levels within policing about how we have been completely disregarded and ignored in this phase.
What is expected of policing does put them at risk, it does put them at risk of transmitting this virus.
They’re being spat at, coughed at, rolling around on the ground with people, working in hospital environments, going into people’s homes, they can’t mitigate the risk of the virus.
All of that means absolutely nothing. This is a very deep and damaging betrayal and it will not be forgotten.
Otherwise healthy individuals that aren't going to be coming into close contact with arseholes who may well be screaming and shouting into their facists?Paddington Bear wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:33 pm I have a lot of sympathy for the police, but vaccination remains at this stage a zero sum game. Who should not get a vaccine so that otherwise healthy policemen can get one?
wee freudian slip there.Raggs wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:39 pmOtherwise healthy individuals that aren't going to be coming into close contact with arseholes who may well be screaming and shouting into their facists?Paddington Bear wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:33 pm I have a lot of sympathy for the police, but vaccination remains at this stage a zero sum game. Who should not get a vaccine so that otherwise healthy policemen can get one?
For instance, I should be absolutely bottom of the list. I'm not a fantastically healthy mid 30s, but I work from home, and am only exposed by my family basically. So do them first and I'll be 99% covered.
60+ people working from homePaddington Bear wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:33 pm I have a lot of sympathy for the police, but vaccination remains at this stage a zero sum game. Who should not get a vaccine so that otherwise healthy policemen can get one?
Biffer wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:56 pmwee freudian slip there.Raggs wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:39 pmOtherwise healthy individuals that aren't going to be coming into close contact with arseholes who may well be screaming and shouting into their facists?Paddington Bear wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:33 pm I have a lot of sympathy for the police, but vaccination remains at this stage a zero sum game. Who should not get a vaccine so that otherwise healthy policemen can get one?
For instance, I should be absolutely bottom of the list. I'm not a fantastically healthy mid 30s, but I work from home, and am only exposed by my family basically. So do them first and I'll be 99% covered.
You can almost guarantee that whatever the sector, it would be the folk in offices with relatively little risk or exposure to the public who would be getting vaccinated first.Lemoentjie wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:08 pm The main problem with sorting by jobs is it can be hard to check who actually works where.
In a small country with good social cohesion (Iceland) it's definitely possible, but in SA or USA or UK it can be very difficult. And because a large minority people are scumbags, they will lie about their job so they can skip the normal order of vaccinations.
A friend works for a large defence contractor in the UK. Apparently a few staff were agitating to be declared 'critical workers' which technically defence companies can do. The company, to its credit, said they weren't critical as they are just regular office staff.robmatic wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:20 pmYou can almost guarantee that whatever the sector, it would be the folk in offices with relatively little risk or exposure to the public who would be getting vaccinated first.Lemoentjie wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:08 pm The main problem with sorting by jobs is it can be hard to check who actually works where.
In a small country with good social cohesion (Iceland) it's definitely possible, but in SA or USA or UK it can be very difficult. And because a large minority people are scumbags, they will lie about their job so they can skip the normal order of vaccinations.
That is a disgrace! Surely there are 1.4 million immigrants from outside the EU living in Germany who would jump at the chance to get one? Fuck the Krauts and their EU wankerdom.Saint wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:26 pm Meanwhile, in Europe over 80% of AZ vaccines doses delivered so far are sitting in Fridges unused as no-one wants them. In Germany alone there's 1.4 million unused doses.
What a complete, utter, total, fuck-up
After all the nonsense about suing AZ to get doses, or insisting on shipments come from the UK, it's a bit of a piss take reallySandstorm wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:43 pmThat is a disgrace! Surely there are 1.4 million immigrants from outside the EU living in Germany who would jump at the chance to get one? Fuck the Krauts and their EU wankerdom.Saint wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:26 pm Meanwhile, in Europe over 80% of AZ vaccines doses delivered so far are sitting in Fridges unused as no-one wants them. In Germany alone there's 1.4 million unused doses.
What a complete, utter, total, fuck-up
The lesson is that politicians make all decisions with their own career in mind and are quite happy to throw anybody and anything under the bus in pursuit of that aim.Saint wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:12 pmAfter all the nonsense about suing AZ to get doses, or insisting on shipments come from the UK, it's a bit of a piss take reallySandstorm wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:43 pmThat is a disgrace! Surely there are 1.4 million immigrants from outside the EU living in Germany who would jump at the chance to get one? Fuck the Krauts and their EU wankerdom.Saint wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:26 pm Meanwhile, in Europe over 80% of AZ vaccines doses delivered so far are sitting in Fridges unused as no-one wants them. In Germany alone there's 1.4 million unused doses.
What a complete, utter, total, fuck-up
And yet just yesterday Ursula van der Leyen was still assuring EU leaders that they would prevent AZ vaccines from leaving the EU if they fail to deliver more suppliesDinsdale Piranha wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:41 pmThe lesson is that politicians make all decisions with their own career in mind and are quite happy to throw anybody and anything under the bus in pursuit of that aim.Saint wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:12 pmAfter all the nonsense about suing AZ to get doses, or insisting on shipments come from the UK, it's a bit of a piss take reallySandstorm wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:43 pm
That is a disgrace! Surely there are 1.4 million immigrants from outside the EU living in Germany who would jump at the chance to get one? Fuck the Krauts and their EU wankerdom.
This is hardly news but to have it demonstrated on a continental scale is impressive.
Gotta do something to deflect the blame. "The British are stealing our vaccines!"Lobby wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:21 pmAnd yet just yesterday Ursula van der Leyen was still assuring EU leaders that they would prevent AZ vaccines from leaving the EU if they fail to deliver more suppliesDinsdale Piranha wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:41 pmThe lesson is that politicians make all decisions with their own career in mind and are quite happy to throw anybody and anything under the bus in pursuit of that aim.Saint wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:12 pm
After all the nonsense about suing AZ to get doses, or insisting on shipments come from the UK, it's a bit of a piss take really
This is hardly news but to have it demonstrated on a continental scale is impressive.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... id-vaccine
It seems she would rather the EU stockpile unused vaccines rather than let AZ supply anyone else.
FWIW today has been fine, no brain fog, tiredness, temp issues or butt ache, maybe slight ache in the arm I was injected with. So all good.BnM wrote: Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:49 pm Had the AstraZeneca yesterday. Got the side effects, injection arm achy, ran hot a few hours ago now cold and weirdly my butt muscles ache. I might have blamed the bed but it started before bed last night. I'm also very tired.
Men don't just wear a shirt to it, put a t-shirt underneath or plan your clothes to make it easier. Way too many bare torso's on view, you have no real privacy.
My Dad has blood cancer so is on immunotherapy and he had no issues either. Weirdly I also had aches from the flu jab for the first time this year too. He had AZ like me.Wyndham Upalot wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:10 pm Had the PFizer 2 weeks ago, I'm 55 but had cancer 4 yrs ago. No symptoms apart from mild joint aches which disappeared. Perfectly normal since.
Every single dose not administered yet is 100% down to refusal. This is irrefutable fact. They will go unadminstered and expire. Absolutely none have anything to do with recent deliveries and the already poor roll-out rates of the other vaccines and focus on administering to the priority age groups. It is a European wide conspiracy to drum down the UK, nothing more. Even those famously EU loving dirty Swiss are in on it.Sandstorm wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:43 pmThat is a disgrace! Surely there are 1.4 million immigrants from outside the EU living in Germany who would jump at the chance to get one? Fuck the Krauts and their EU wankerdom.Saint wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:26 pm Meanwhile, in Europe over 80% of AZ vaccines doses delivered so far are sitting in Fridges unused as no-one wants them. In Germany alone there's 1.4 million unused doses.
What a complete, utter, total, fuck-up
Which would be reasonably in line with what you might expect. The challenge would be to identify with certainty who has already had itMarylandolorian wrote: Sat Feb 27, 2021 1:51 pm Maybe some very good news, I had this conversation a while back.
People who've had COVID-19 might only need to get vaccinated once, studies suggest
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/hea ... 550055001/
Fangle wrote: Sat Feb 27, 2021 9:32 pm My wife and I had our Pfizer vaccine shots today. So far no reaction. And the follow ups are scheduled for three weeks time.