So, coronavirus...

[Enzedder]

you'll paint your faces blue and slaughter each other.

Pre-Covid we called that Saturday Night

[Sandstorm]

Reports from South African GPs that young people are suffering from depression post having Covid.

[dpedin]

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/dro ... -1.9566113

Interesting article - worth keeping an eye on Israel and how this story develops? Remember they have higher levels of vaccination than we do when they reduced lock down but also had pockets of very low vaccination rates too.

[Sandstorm]

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/dro ... -1.9566113

Interesting article - worth keeping an eye on Israel and how this story develops? Remember they have higher levels of vaccination than we do when they reduced lock down but also had pockets of very low vaccination rates too.

"The increase began about two weeks after preschools and lower grades reopened in areas where the rate of infection was lowest, and a few days after the second stage of reopening began with more children back in school and shops reopening."

Helen Lovejoy was wrong!!!!

[tc27]

In fairness rises in cases are expected after every lockdown easement - the government here has being fairly open about this and that's why each step has a fairly large interval.

[Biffer]

Also demonstrates the need for high uptake of the vaccinations in all age groups

[tc27]

JCVI keeps age based criteria for vaccinations - younger keyworkers will not be able to jump queue.

[Biffer]

JCVI keeps age based criteria for vaccinations - younger keyworkers will not be able to jump queue.

It's the logistics of doing anything else that's difficult. Doctors surgeries have everyone's date of birth. it's easy to produce a priority list. They don't have people's professions. How do you actually get the priority list made up? How does that then get passed to the medical organisations implementing the vaccines? How does that then get matched back to NHS records so that we don't end up inviting everyone twice, causing huge confusion about whether it's a second invite for the first dose or the first invite for the second dose?

I know a lot of people will give it 'och it can't be that hard', usually they're people who've never had to do something like that and will equate it to some idiotic and irrelevant example from their own personal experience.

[TheNatalShark]

JCVI keeps age based criteria for vaccinations - younger keyworkers will not be able to jump queue.

It's the logistics of doing anything else that's difficult. Doctors surgeries have everyone's date of birth. it's easy to produce a priority list. They don't have people's professions. How do you actually get the priority list made up? How does that then get passed to the medical organisations implementing the vaccines? How does that then get matched back to NHS records so that we don't end up inviting everyone twice, causing huge confusion about whether it's a second invite for the first dose or the first invite for the second dose?

I know a lot of people will give it 'och it can't be that hard', usually they're people who've never had to do something like that and will equate it to some idiotic and irrelevant example from their own personal experience.

Hopefully, for me, it can prompt discussion around a centralised and singular national ID number similar to Denmark's, for which separate databases can be conjoined when existing data might be helpful in some scenarios.

[SaintK]

JCVI keeps age based criteria for vaccinations - younger keyworkers will not be able to jump queue.

Police Federation not at all happy. Something Cressda Dick mentioned earelier this week

There’s real palpable anger from all levels within policing about how we have been completely disregarded and ignored in this phase.
What is expected of policing does put them at risk, it does put them at risk of transmitting this virus.
They’re being spat at, coughed at, rolling around on the ground with people, working in hospital environments, going into people’s homes, they can’t mitigate the risk of the virus.
All of that means absolutely nothing. This is a very deep and damaging betrayal and it will not be forgotten.

[Paddington Bear]

I have a lot of sympathy for the police, but vaccination remains at this stage a zero sum game. Who should not get a vaccine so that otherwise healthy policemen can get one?

[Raggs]

I have a lot of sympathy for the police, but vaccination remains at this stage a zero sum game. Who should not get a vaccine so that otherwise healthy policemen can get one?

Otherwise healthy individuals that aren't going to be coming into close contact with arseholes who may well be screaming and shouting into their facists?

For instance, I should be absolutely bottom of the list. I'm not a fantastically healthy mid 30s, but I work from home, and am only exposed by my family basically. So do them first and I'll be 99% covered.

[Biffer]

I have a lot of sympathy for the police, but vaccination remains at this stage a zero sum game. Who should not get a vaccine so that otherwise healthy policemen can get one?

Otherwise healthy individuals that aren't going to be coming into close contact with arseholes who may well be screaming and shouting into their facists?

For instance, I should be absolutely bottom of the list. I'm not a fantastically healthy mid 30s, but I work from home, and am only exposed by my family basically. So do them first and I'll be 99% covered.

wee freudian slip there.

[Sandstorm]

I have a lot of sympathy for the police, but vaccination remains at this stage a zero sum game. Who should not get a vaccine so that otherwise healthy policemen can get one?

60+ people working from home

[Saint]

There's lots of groups of people that can make reasonably strong case's for being given priority- essential retail workers would be another group for instance. You reach a point where nearly everyone has priority for one reason or another

[Raggs]

I have a lot of sympathy for the police, but vaccination remains at this stage a zero sum game. Who should not get a vaccine so that otherwise healthy policemen can get one?

Otherwise healthy individuals that aren't going to be coming into close contact with arseholes who may well be screaming and shouting into their facists?

For instance, I should be absolutely bottom of the list. I'm not a fantastically healthy mid 30s, but I work from home, and am only exposed by my family basically. So do them first and I'll be 99% covered.

wee freudian slip there.

Missed that one!

[Lemoentjie]

The main problem with sorting by jobs is it can be hard to check who actually works where.

In a small country with good social cohesion (Iceland) it's definitely possible, but in SA or USA or UK it can be very difficult. And because a large minority people are scumbags, they will lie about their job so they can skip the normal order of vaccinations.

[robmatic]

The main problem with sorting by jobs is it can be hard to check who actually works where.

In a small country with good social cohesion (Iceland) it's definitely possible, but in SA or USA or UK it can be very difficult. And because a large minority people are scumbags, they will lie about their job so they can skip the normal order of vaccinations.

You can almost guarantee that whatever the sector, it would be the folk in offices with relatively little risk or exposure to the public who would be getting vaccinated first.

[Dinsdale Piranha]

The main problem with sorting by jobs is it can be hard to check who actually works where.

In a small country with good social cohesion (Iceland) it's definitely possible, but in SA or USA or UK it can be very difficult. And because a large minority people are scumbags, they will lie about their job so they can skip the normal order of vaccinations.

You can almost guarantee that whatever the sector, it would be the folk in offices with relatively little risk or exposure to the public who would be getting vaccinated first.

A friend works for a large defence contractor in the UK. Apparently a few staff were agitating to be declared 'critical workers' which technically defence companies can do. The company, to its credit, said they weren't critical as they are just regular office staff.

[Saint]

Meanwhile, in Europe over 80% of AZ vaccines doses delivered so far are sitting in Fridges unused as no-one wants them. In Germany alone there's 1.4 million unused doses.

What a complete, utter, total, fuck-up

[Sandstorm]

Meanwhile, in Europe over 80% of AZ vaccines doses delivered so far are sitting in Fridges unused as no-one wants them. In Germany alone there's 1.4 million unused doses.

What a complete, utter, total, fuck-up

That is a disgrace! Surely there are 1.4 million immigrants from outside the EU living in Germany who would jump at the chance to get one? Fuck the Krauts and their EU wankerdom.

[tc27]

Looks like Thursday will be north of 500k vaccinations recorded

[sturginho]

Looks like Thursday will be north of 500k vaccinations recorded

nice

[Saint]

Meanwhile, in Europe over 80% of AZ vaccines doses delivered so far are sitting in Fridges unused as no-one wants them. In Germany alone there's 1.4 million unused doses.

What a complete, utter, total, fuck-up

That is a disgrace! Surely there are 1.4 million immigrants from outside the EU living in Germany who would jump at the chance to get one? Fuck the Krauts and their EU wankerdom.

After all the nonsense about suing AZ to get doses, or insisting on shipments come from the UK, it's a bit of a piss take really

[Dinsdale Piranha]

Meanwhile, in Europe over 80% of AZ vaccines doses delivered so far are sitting in Fridges unused as no-one wants them. In Germany alone there's 1.4 million unused doses.

What a complete, utter, total, fuck-up

That is a disgrace! Surely there are 1.4 million immigrants from outside the EU living in Germany who would jump at the chance to get one? Fuck the Krauts and their EU wankerdom.

After all the nonsense about suing AZ to get doses, or insisting on shipments come from the UK, it's a bit of a piss take really

The lesson is that politicians make all decisions with their own career in mind and are quite happy to throw anybody and anything under the bus in pursuit of that aim.

This is hardly news but to have it demonstrated on a continental scale is impressive.

[Lobby]

That is a disgrace! Surely there are 1.4 million immigrants from outside the EU living in Germany who would jump at the chance to get one? Fuck the Krauts and their EU wankerdom.

After all the nonsense about suing AZ to get doses, or insisting on shipments come from the UK, it's a bit of a piss take really

The lesson is that politicians make all decisions with their own career in mind and are quite happy to throw anybody and anything under the bus in pursuit of that aim.

This is hardly news but to have it demonstrated on a continental scale is impressive.

And yet just yesterday Ursula van der Leyen was still assuring EU leaders that they would prevent AZ vaccines from leaving the EU if they fail to deliver more supplies

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... id-vaccine

It seems she would rather the EU stockpile unused vaccines rather than let AZ supply anyone else.

[Saint]

Looks like Thursday will be north of 500k vaccinations recorded

nice

520k in the end, 35k of which were 2nd doses

[sturginho]

After all the nonsense about suing AZ to get doses, or insisting on shipments come from the UK, it's a bit of a piss take really

The lesson is that politicians make all decisions with their own career in mind and are quite happy to throw anybody and anything under the bus in pursuit of that aim.

This is hardly news but to have it demonstrated on a continental scale is impressive.

And yet just yesterday Ursula van der Leyen was still assuring EU leaders that they would prevent AZ vaccines from leaving the EU if they fail to deliver more supplies

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... id-vaccine

It seems she would rather the EU stockpile unused vaccines rather than let AZ supply anyone else.

Gotta do something to deflect the blame. "The British are stealing our vaccines!"

[BnM]

Had the AstraZeneca yesterday. Got the side effects, injection arm achy, ran hot a few hours ago now cold and weirdly my butt muscles ache. I might have blamed the bed but it started before bed last night. I'm also very tired.

Men don't just wear a shirt to it, put a t-shirt underneath or plan your clothes to make it easier. Way too many bare torso's on view, you have no real privacy.

FWIW today has been fine, no brain fog, tiredness, temp issues or butt ache, maybe slight ache in the arm I was injected with. So all good.

[Wyndham Upalot]

Had the PFizer 2 weeks ago, I'm 55 but had cancer 4 yrs ago. No symptoms apart from mild joint aches which disappeared. Perfectly normal since.

[BnM]

Had the PFizer 2 weeks ago, I'm 55 but had cancer 4 yrs ago. No symptoms apart from mild joint aches which disappeared. Perfectly normal since.

My Dad has blood cancer so is on immunotherapy and he had no issues either. Weirdly I also had aches from the flu jab for the first time this year too. He had AZ like me.

[TheNatalShark]

Meanwhile, in Europe over 80% of AZ vaccines doses delivered so far are sitting in Fridges unused as no-one wants them. In Germany alone there's 1.4 million unused doses.

What a complete, utter, total, fuck-up

That is a disgrace! Surely there are 1.4 million immigrants from outside the EU living in Germany who would jump at the chance to get one? Fuck the Krauts and their EU wankerdom.

Every single dose not administered yet is 100% down to refusal. This is irrefutable fact. They will go unadminstered and expire. Absolutely none have anything to do with recent deliveries and the already poor roll-out rates of the other vaccines and focus on administering to the priority age groups. It is a European wide conspiracy to drum down the UK, nothing more. Even those famously EU loving dirty Swiss are in on it.

In all seriousness, hopefully completion of the ongoing US/S America trials and examination of real world data will allow those regulators that haven't approved for 65+ groups will allow them to do so and result in public uptake from the likes of Merkel. Although by that point I imagine the Pfizer and Moderns rollouts would have substantially covered those older groups. So buy in would invariably have to be from the lower age groups. But the damage is done and will take serious campaigning to resolve.

Presume there will be some late trading between member states for vaccines that their pops don't exhibit some hesitancy for, and the unused will land on the "ship off to 3rd world" pile. Hopefully not too late.

[Saint]

Maybe some very good news, I had this conversation a while back.

People who've had COVID-19 might only need to get vaccinated once, studies suggest
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/hea ... 550055001/

Which would be reasonably in line with what you might expect. The challenge would be to identify with certainty who has already had it

[Saint]

As an aside, 535k doses delivered yesterday

[Sandstorm]

20 million jabs. Winning.

[Raggs]

As an aside, 535k doses delivered yesterday

Supply improving again?

[Fangle]

My wife and I had our Pfizer vaccine shots today. So far no reaction. And the follow ups are scheduled for three weeks time.

[Tichtheid]

My wife and I had our Pfizer vaccine shots today. So far no reaction. And the follow ups are scheduled for three weeks time.

I only half caught the story, but I saw the Pfizer CEO saying this week that their jab was proving extremely effective against new variants, too

[Saint]

As an aside, 535k doses delivered yesterday

Supply improving again?

Looking that way

[BnM]

Very nice of Romania, I'm completely oblivious as to the political and socio-economics of Moldova. Maybe the EU could give some of theirs after the screwed by criticising it to make themselves look marginally less incompetent.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... ce=twitter