Rugby Championship Match Thread - Sat 2nd - SA v NZ / Arg v Aus

[OomStruisbaai]

I have no idea why you want to change the loose forwards? I thought all three , Kwagga included brought enough energy. We lost it with Pollard and Faf kicking and the kick chasers. We need to adopt to a more attacking phase play gameplan against the Wallabies and All Blacks.

Because we lost. To Australia. Who were destroyed by the ABs.
Now instead of getting excited about playing the ABs we now have to set oir standards lower and focus on beating Australia

You want more kak Sharks x Sharks players in the Bok team.

[Sards]

I have no idea why you want to change the loose forwards? I thought all three , Kwagga included brought enough energy. We lost it with Pollard and Faf kicking and the kick chasers. We need to adopt to a more attacking phase play gameplan against the Wallabies and All Blacks.

Because we lost. To Australia. Who were destroyed by the ABs.
Now instead of getting excited about playing the ABs we now have to set oir standards lower and focus on beating Australia

You want more kak Sharks x Sharks players in the Bok team.

Of course. Morne in place of Willemse. Call me a traditional person but if my kickers having a bad day next in line must be able to kick to win the game. And cover 10 to 13.
JLDP instead of Kwagga. Seriously. Kwagga is lightweight and he didn't counter the Aussie forwards. JLDP plays everywhere except front row. Is big and powerful.
Fassi on the bench to cover wing and FB

[Chilli]

Folks, it looked like the Boks had watched the 2 Aussue / All Black tests and decided that the Aussies were shit.

We believed that all we had to do was pitch up, and we would win. There was no passion. There was no aggression.

We need to get Ra$$ie over to Australia to put some fire into their bellies.

[ScarfaceClaw]

Folks, it looked like the Boks had watched the 2 Aussue / All Black tests and decided that the Aussies were shit.

We believed that all we had to do was pitch up, and we would win. There was no passion. There was no aggression.

We need to get Ra$$ie over to Australia to put some fire into their bellies.

Rassie is too busy working on his TikTok game at the moment.

[Sandstorm]

Folks, it looked like the Boks had watched the 2 Aussue / All Black tests and decided that the Aussies were shit.

We believed that all we had to do was pitch up, and we would win. There was no passion. There was no aggression.

Yup. Witness Pollard kicking EVERY SINGLE restart too deep, straight down Phillip’s throat with zero chance for anyone to contest it.

Nienaber strikes me as a rather dumb, limited coach.

[Chilli]

Folks, it looked like the Boks had watched the 2 Aussue / All Black tests and decided that the Aussies were shit.

We believed that all we had to do was pitch up, and we would win. There was no passion. There was no aggression.

Yup. Witness Pollard kicking EVERY SINGLE restart too deep, straight down Phillip’s throat with zero chance for anyone to contest it.

Nienaber strikes me as a rather dumb, limited coach.

Doesn't $ards rate him highly?

[OomStruisbaai]

Because we lost. To Australia. Who were destroyed by the ABs.
Now instead of getting excited about playing the ABs we now have to set oir standards lower and focus on beating Australia

You want more kak Sharks x Sharks players in the Bok team.

Of course. Morne in place of Willemse. Call me a traditional person but if my kickers having a bad day next in line must be able to kick to win the game. And cover 10 to 13.
JLDP instead of Kwagga. Seriously. Kwagga is lightweight and he didn't counter the Aussie forwards. JLDP plays everywhere except front row. Is big and powerful.
Fassi on the bench to cover wing and FB

Morne would kick the conversion and the Wallabies would scored the winning try. 7-2 = 5 dom idiot

[Sards]

You want more kak Sharks x Sharks players in the Bok team.

Of course. Morne in place of Willemse. Call me a traditional person but if my kickers having a bad day next in line must be able to kick to win the game. And cover 10 to 13.
JLDP instead of Kwagga. Seriously. Kwagga is lightweight and he didn't counter the Aussie forwards. JLDP plays everywhere except front row. Is big and powerful.
Fassi on the bench to cover wing and FB

Morne would kick the conversion and the Wallabies would scored the winning try. 7-2 = 5 dom idiot

Really....you foresee all of that. You are Siener
I just looked into my crystal ball and saw that if Morne was on the bench Pollard would have been pulled a lot earlier and we would have won the match. I threw the tarrot cards and saw the death card...tonight I will do a seance and give feedback later.

[Chilli]

[Sandstorm]

[Enzedder]

a 58" half is ridiculous. How many times did that ref go to the TMO when he had the right decision live. Balls up and go for it man, you're good enough.

[Sards]

Well that was embarrassing. Here we were top of the world and our first outing against Australia we bottled it.
I honestly don't think we can play the same game plan against SH opponents as we do against NH opponents.
Problem is that this is the way the squad has been drilled and there is absolutely no way to expect them to change tactics in 1 week. Those instinctual memory responses will take over in the heat of the game.
So expect the same again just better execution. If not we are going to lose every match here on in. I have absolutely no expectations of beating the ABs. By the end of this tournament we will be knocked off our lofty perch on the rankings and hopefully less arrogant.

[Sards]

Folks, it looked like the Boks had watched the 2 Aussue / All Black tests and decided that the Aussies were shit.

We believed that all we had to do was pitch up, and we would win. There was no passion. There was no aggression.

Yup. Witness Pollard kicking EVERY SINGLE restart too deep, straight down Phillip’s throat with zero chance for anyone to contest it.

Nienaber strikes me as a rather dumb, limited coach.

Doesn't $ards rate him highly?

Nienaber changed it up for the first Argie test and impressed me. Since then he has gone back to Rassie's blueprint and here we are.

[Chilli]

Yup. Witness Pollard kicking EVERY SINGLE restart too deep, straight down Phillip’s throat with zero chance for anyone to contest it.

Nienaber strikes me as a rather dumb, limited coach.

Doesn't $ards rate him highly?

Nienaber changed it up for the first Argie test and impressed me. Since then he has gone back to Rassie's blueprint and here we are.

[Chilli]

Well that was embarrassing. Here we were top of the world and our first outing against Australia we bottled it.
I honestly don't think we can play the same game plan against SH opponents as we do against NH opponents.
Problem is that this is the way the squad has been drilled and there is absolutely no way to expect them to change tactics in 1 week. Those instinctual memory responses will take over in the heat of the game.
So expect the same again just better execution. If not we are going to lose every match here on in. I have absolutely no expectations of beating the ABs. By the end of this tournament we will be knocked off our lofty perch on the rankings and hopefully less arrogant.

The Bok$ lacked aggression and mongrel. The Bok$ were too nice.
They had watched the Aussies being killed by the All Blacks and thought of them as soft...................................the believed their own press that all they had to do was pitch up. Read the pages on this fred from last week.

[assfly]

There was a definite lack of intensity. Perhaps it's a comedown from the Lions series, but we managed to beat Argentina since then.

[average joe]

Blah blah blah. The ozzies outplayed us, end off. They played the ref, playing players past the ruck, trapping players in the ruck, disrupting the scrum and maul illegally, some lineouts they did not even bother to throw in straight. Playing the lock before his feet touched (that one bit them a bit, but they kept doing it, just less obvious) They pushed the boundaries with the ref early on and saw what they could get away with and kept at it. We stood there and kak and complained instead of doing the same.

Plan B is fix plan A and do it better.

[handyman]

Some of our proven and best players had a game to forget. Am and Pollard had nightmares and a few others were invisible.

Vermeulen possibly the only player to be proud of his stint.

I think the Aussies is going to suffer a massive backlash next week.

[Ymx]

Blah blah blah. The ozzies outplayed us, end off. They played the ref, playing players past the ruck, trapping players in the ruck, disrupting the scrum and maul illegally, some lineouts they did not even bother to throw in straight. Playing the lock before his feet touched (that one bit them a bit, but they kept doing it, just less obvious) They pushed the boundaries with the ref early on and saw what they could get away with and kept at it. We stood there and kak and complained instead of doing the same.

Plan B is fix plan A and do it better.

So your thoughts are that they won because they cheated.

Unbelievable

[Sandstorm]

Blah blah blah. The ozzies outplayed us, end off. They played the ref, playing players past the ruck, trapping players in the ruck, disrupting the scrum and maul illegally, some lineouts they did not even bother to throw in straight. Playing the lock before his feet touched (that one bit them a bit, but they kept doing it, just less obvious) They pushed the boundaries with the ref early on and saw what they could get away with and kept at it. We stood there and kak and complained instead of doing the same.

Plan B is fix plan A and do it better.

So your thoughts are that they won because they cheated.

Unbelievable

No, he said they were smarter than us.

[Chilli]

Blah blah blah. The ozzies outplayed us, end off. They played the ref, playing players past the ruck, trapping players in the ruck, disrupting the scrum and maul illegally, some lineouts they did not even bother to throw in straight. Playing the lock before his feet touched (that one bit them a bit, but they kept doing it, just less obvious) They pushed the boundaries with the ref early on and saw what they could get away with and kept at it. We stood there and kak and complained instead of doing the same.

Plan B is fix plan A and do it better.

So your thoughts are that they won because they cheated.

Unbelievable

No, he said they were smarter than us.

That is not often that difficult to be honest.

[assfly]

Every match leaves me more confused about Willemse.

He comes on with a lot of energy, makes an incredible try-saving tackle, and then misses a crucial kick.

[Ymx]

Blah blah blah. The ozzies outplayed us, end off. They played the ref, playing players past the ruck, trapping players in the ruck, disrupting the scrum and maul illegally, some lineouts they did not even bother to throw in straight. Playing the lock before his feet touched (that one bit them a bit, but they kept doing it, just less obvious) They pushed the boundaries with the ref early on and saw what they could get away with and kept at it. We stood there and kak and complained instead of doing the same.

Plan B is fix plan A and do it better.

So your thoughts are that they won because they cheated.

Unbelievable

No, he said they were smarter than us.

He said they won because they were smarter at cheating the ref. And went on to list types of infringements.

[Ymx]

Every match leaves me more confused about Willemse.

He comes on with a lot of energy, makes an incredible try-saving tackle, and then misses a crucial kick.

Well that tackle was 3 on 1. So I’d say he’s up on that just from a pure points perspective. But Pollards miss was genuinely terrible. In general SA kicking didn’t pan out very well.

[ASMO]

Blah blah blah. The ozzies outplayed us, end off. They played the ref, playing players past the ruck, trapping players in the ruck, disrupting the scrum and maul illegally, some lineouts they did not even bother to throw in straight. Playing the lock before his feet touched (that one bit them a bit, but they kept doing it, just less obvious) They pushed the boundaries with the ref early on and saw what they could get away with and kept at it. We stood there and kak and complained instead of doing the same.

Plan B is fix plan A and do it better.

Average Joe is Rassie in disguise and i claim my free black armband

[average joe]

So your thoughts are that they won because they cheated.

Unbelievable

No, he said they were smarter than us.

He said they won because they were smarter at cheating the ref. And went on to list types of infringements.

Is this not what the game has become since Sir Richie McCaw put on his first pair of boots?

I think you Kiwis called it pushing the boundaries back then?

If you keep getting away with it and it wins you games then its a good thing, right?

[OomStruisbaai]

Every match leaves me more confused about Willemse.

He comes on with a lot of energy, makes an incredible try-saving tackle, and then misses a crucial kick.

You got it totally wrong. He first missed the kick (thats when Chilli phoned me), then made the try saving tackle (I phone Chilli back).

Am was pathetic, scored a Robbie Fleck try, knock on with an open tryline. What about that?

[assfly]

Every match leaves me more confused about Willemse.

He comes on with a lot of energy, makes an incredible try-saving tackle, and then misses a crucial kick.

You got it totally wrong. He first missed the kick (thats when Chilli phoned me), then made the try saving tackle (I phone Chilli back).

Am was pathetic, scored a Robbie Fleck try, knock on with an open tryline. What about that?

Yes, the order of events completely changes my argument

[Sandstorm]

Every match leaves me more confused about Willemse.

He comes on with a lot of energy, makes an incredible try-saving tackle, and then misses a crucial kick.

Well the alternative is Morne or Swiel. Low energy, straight kicks.

I think we all know 5Bar will end up at 12

[Ymx]

No, he said they were smarter than us.

He said they won because they were smarter at cheating the ref. And went on to list types of infringements.

Is this not what the game has become since Sir Richie McCaw put on his first pair of boots?

I think you Kiwis called it pushing the boundaries back then?

If you keep getting away with it and it wins you games then its a good thing, right?

What a pathetic mindset you have, if you’re chalking the loss up to the Aussies cheating.

Go make a video, loser.

[assfly]

Well the alternative is Morne or Swiel. Low energy, straight kicks.
I think we all know 5Bar will end up at 12

I wonder if Elton might get a run this weekend.

[sorCrer]

He said they won because they were smarter at cheating the ref. And went on to list types of infringements.

Is this not what the game has become since Sir Richie McCaw put on his first pair of boots?

I think you Kiwis called it pushing the boundaries back then?

If you keep getting away with it and it wins you games then its a good thing, right?

What a pathetic mindset you have, if you’re chalking the loss up to the Aussies cheating.

Go make a video, loser.

The truth is that the Ozzies were very lucky to win that at the death. Herchelle already had the ball and was running with it when the touch judge called them back for holding on. The Boks outscored the Wallabies 3 tries to 1 but the main difference was Cooper (7,13,32,40,52,62,80) vs Pollard (5,11,45)

[sorCrer]

Well the alternative is Morne or Swiel. Low energy, straight kicks.
I think we all know 5Bar will end up at 12

I wonder if Elton might get a run this weekend.

I fucking hope not. People are quick to forget that Elton missed a sitter a few years ago at Bloem to win the game against Oz at the death leaving us with a draw.

[assfly]

I fucking hope not. People are quick to forget that Elton missed a sitter a few years ago at Bloem to win the game against Oz at the death leaving us with a draw.

And some are not so quick to forget

[Grandpa]

That performance in the world cup final was the best Bok performance I had seen in over a decade. They played multi-dimensional rugby. Adapted well, played it tight when they needed to and cut loose when the opportunities arose. It was brilliant top notch rugby, that very few teams are capable of. But I haven't seen it since... it could have been a spring-board to a great Springbok team rather than just being remembered for that world cup performance...

I hope it comes back as at the moment SA seem to have regressed to the old pre-Rassie game plan that wins them some matches and loses them almost as many. In that final in 2019 they had a plan A,B and C... now they seem eternally stuck in Plan A. Maybe Rassie needs to come back as fulltime coach?

[Chilli]

Is this not what the game has become since Sir Richie McCaw put on his first pair of boots?

I think you Kiwis called it pushing the boundaries back then?

If you keep getting away with it and it wins you games then its a good thing, right?

What a pathetic mindset you have, if you’re chalking the loss up to the Aussies cheating.

Go make a video, loser.

The truth is that the Ozzies were very lucky to win that at the death. Herchelle already had the ball and was running with it when the touch judge called them back for holding on. The Boks outscored the Wallabies 3 tries to 1 but the main difference was Cooper (7,13,32,40,52,62,80) vs Pollard (5,11,45)

This.

[Sards]

Every match leaves me more confused about Willemse.

He comes on with a lot of energy, makes an incredible try-saving tackle, and then misses a crucial kick.

He must start at 10 and we can move on from that...its as simple as that...

This RC is over for us...time to experiment with the youngsters

[OomStruisbaai]

Every match leaves me more confused about Willemse.

He comes on with a lot of energy, makes an incredible try-saving tackle, and then misses a crucial kick.

You got it totally wrong. He first missed the kick (thats when Chilli phoned me), then made the try saving tackle (I phone Chilli back).

Am was pathetic, scored a Robbie Fleck try, knock on with an open tryline. What about that?

Yes, the order of events completely changes my argument

For sure, he correct his mistake. Mathematics 7-2 =5. Even if he kicked the conversation we still would not have won the test.

[OomStruisbaai]

That performance in the world cup final was the best Bok performance I had seen in over a decade. They played multi-dimensional rugby. Adapted well, played it tight when they needed to and cut loose when the opportunities arose. It was brilliant top notch rugby, that very few teams are capable of. But I haven't seen it since... it could have been a spring-board to a great Springbok team rather than just being remembered for that world cup performance...

I hope it comes back as at the moment SA seem to have regressed to the old pre-Rassie game plan that wins them some matches and loses them almost as many. In that final in 2019 they had a plan A,B and C... now they seem eternally stuck in Plan A. Maybe Rassie needs to come back as fulltime coach?

We were a bit rusted on sunday, havent played for a month. It will come back next week.

[average joe]

He said they won because they were smarter at cheating the ref. And went on to list types of infringements.

Is this not what the game has become since Sir Richie McCaw put on his first pair of boots?

I think you Kiwis called it pushing the boundaries back then?

If you keep getting away with it and it wins you games then its a good thing, right?

What a pathetic mindset you have, if you’re chalking the loss up to the Aussies cheating.

Go make a video, loser.

I'll leave that to the pro's like Jaco Johan.