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Fixed.sturginho wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:35 amAs any local FB page in the UK will tell you, there have been fireworks for fucking weeks.Longshanks wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:16 am ABC news report that fireworks were seen all over London after Biden win.
Four Seasons total landscaping to add merch to their store and start selling t-shirts. I want one! Now!assfly wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:02 am The story about Trump's press conference at Four Seasons Total Landscaping is honestly one of the funniest things I've read in years. Straight out of Veep or The Thick of It.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... dApp_Other
And Donnie Jr complains that it's a conspiracySaint wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:09 pm Donald's response to the vaccine news us instructive - not "lives will be saved" or anything like that, it's "stock market up!"
What would hurt Trump more than going to jail himself would be if his kids did. That's what I'd like to see. Maybe Bannon will drop them in the shit.Rinkals wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:28 amMuch as I'd love to see him in orange pyjamas, I don't think that the imperative for the dignity of the office would allow that. Maybe Bill Barr?Sandstorm wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:15 pm Relax Saint, everything Donny touches turns to shit. He’ll fuck up this sit-in too.
As I understand it, three to four million dollars comes due shortly which may pose a problem for him.
However, 70 million is a fairly large number in terms of book sales...
I think he'd happily see all of his childrens in jail, rather than do a days time himself.Biffer wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:43 pmWhat would hurt Trump more than going to jail himself would be if his kids did. That's what I'd like to see. Maybe Bannon will drop them in the shit.Rinkals wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:28 amMuch as I'd love to see him in orange pyjamas, I don't think that the imperative for the dignity of the office would allow that. Maybe Bill Barr?Sandstorm wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:15 pm Relax Saint, everything Donny touches turns to shit. He’ll fuck up this sit-in too.
As I understand it, three to four million dollars comes due shortly which may pose a problem for him.
However, 70 million is a fairly large number in terms of book sales...
Families like the Trumps never end up short of huge fortunes, no matter how many times they go bankrupt.fishfoodie wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:21 pmI think he'd happily see all of his childrens in jail, rather than do a days time himself.Biffer wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:43 pmWhat would hurt Trump more than going to jail himself would be if his kids did. That's what I'd like to see. Maybe Bannon will drop them in the shit.Rinkals wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:28 am
Much as I'd love to see him in orange pyjamas, I don't think that the imperative for the dignity of the office would allow that. Maybe Bill Barr?
As I understand it, three to four million dollars comes due shortly which may pose a problem for him.
However, 70 million is a fairly large number in terms of book sales...
He played no part in their upbringing; & apart from the one he wants to fuck, you'll see practically zero picture of him with them, when they were children.
I'd also add a third penalty that you didn't mention; the Trump Business !
The legal cases against him for tax, fraud etc; all have the potential for massive fines & confiscation of property.
He might not go to jail; but there's a good chance that he could lose everything; & that means that all his kids will lose everything too; & to my mind; I think losing everything will be what would hurt him most.
Largely because they tend to operate under the radar.Ovals wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:46 pmFamilies like the Trumps never end up short of huge fortunes, no matter how many times they go bankrupt.
Rinkals wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:14 pmLargely because they tend to operate under the radar.Ovals wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:46 pmFamilies like the Trumps never end up short of huge fortunes, no matter how many times they go bankrupt.
I'm not sure they will find it easy to avoid scrutiny this time around.
People who keep their fortunes tend also to be smart enough to not put their entire fortune i one asset class;Ovals wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:46 pmFamilies like the Trumps never end up short of huge fortunes, no matter how many times they go bankrupt.fishfoodie wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:21 pmI think he'd happily see all of his childrens in jail, rather than do a days time himself.Biffer wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:43 pm
What would hurt Trump more than going to jail himself would be if his kids did. That's what I'd like to see. Maybe Bannon will drop them in the shit.
He played no part in their upbringing; & apart from the one he wants to fuck, you'll see practically zero picture of him with them, when they were children.
I'd also add a third penalty that you didn't mention; the Trump Business !
The legal cases against him for tax, fraud etc; all have the potential for massive fines & confiscation of property.
He might not go to jail; but there's a good chance that he could lose everything; & that means that all his kids will lose everything too; & to my mind; I think losing everything will be what would hurt him most.
His own family?Fangle wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:52 pm Seeing that this thread is about Biden, who do you experts on US politics think will fill his cabinet positions? He has already ruled out all those in the senate. And that is especially wise in regards to Warren, who was angling for finance.
Given his background you'd think he'd respond sensibly, but then having heard him there's a decent chance he'll use guns to 'cure' himselfGumboot wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:06 pm Ben Carson becomes the latest Trump lickspittle to contract Covid-19.
Not convinced it would...Biffer wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:43 pmWhat would hurt Trump more than going to jail himself would be if his kids did. That's what I'd like to see. Maybe Bannon will drop them in the shit.Rinkals wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:28 amMuch as I'd love to see him in orange pyjamas, I don't think that the imperative for the dignity of the office would allow that. Maybe Bill Barr?Sandstorm wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:15 pm Relax Saint, everything Donny touches turns to shit. He’ll fuck up this sit-in too.
As I understand it, three to four million dollars comes due shortly which may pose a problem for him.
However, 70 million is a fairly large number in terms of book sales...
Very few of us would hold ourselves out as anything more than interested, bemused bystanders with zero real knowledge of US politics. We're badly enough informed on our own...Fangle wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:52 pm Seeing that this thread is about Biden, who do you experts on US politics think will fill his cabinet positions? He has already ruled out all those in the senate. And that is especially wise in regards to Warren, who was angling for finance.
The Trump organisation will have plenty of smart people in it. They've won some highly unlikely multi million dollar suits. You can bet that the Trumps' personal fortunes will be well out of reach and the legal structures of the businesses, alone, will take years to unwind.fishfoodie wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:25 pmPeople who keep their fortunes tend also to be smart enough to not put their entire fortune i one asset class;Ovals wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:46 pmFamilies like the Trumps never end up short of huge fortunes, no matter how many times they go bankrupt.fishfoodie wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:21 pm
I think he'd happily see all of his childrens in jail, rather than do a days time himself.
He played no part in their upbringing; & apart from the one he wants to fuck, you'll see practically zero picture of him with them, when they were children.
I'd also add a third penalty that you didn't mention; the Trump Business !
The legal cases against him for tax, fraud etc; all have the potential for massive fines & confiscation of property.
He might not go to jail; but there's a good chance that he could lose everything; & that means that all his kids will lose everything too; & to my mind; I think losing everything will be what would hurt him most.
& they also surround themselves with smart people, who offer contrarian advice.
Does any of this sound like the Losers ?
Hunter for Secretary of State.Sandstorm wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:57 pmHis own family?Fangle wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:52 pm Seeing that this thread is about Biden, who do you experts on US politics think will fill his cabinet positions? He has already ruled out all those in the senate. And that is especially wise in regards to Warren, who was angling for finance.
The president submits a name to head a Federal Executive Department to the Senate, which then proceeds to run through a confirmation process - similar to that for a SCOTUS Justice, but usually less charged - they're not lifetime appointments after all, although they are in the line of succession.Woddy wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:24 pmVery few of us would hold ourselves out as anything more than interested, bemused bystanders with zero real knowledge of US politics. We're badly enough informed on our own...Fangle wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:52 pm Seeing that this thread is about Biden, who do you experts on US politics think will fill his cabinet positions? He has already ruled out all those in the senate. And that is especially wise in regards to Warren, who was angling for finance.
How does it normally work with picking a cabinet in the US?
Few things enrage me more than cathode ray tube and white balance mattersRandom1 wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:02 amYeah, I think your last point is one that’s Especially worth highlighting - generalisation has been a problem for why getting to grips with this could be hard.Blake wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 6:36 amI agree with you mate. I don’t think it is really all that helpful to label them as “stupid”. Your observation relating to “short term thinking” I think is spot-on to some extent.Random1 wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:16 pm Yeah, that’s where I do disagree.
There are plenty of problems where these demographics do have a justifiable point. An example would be immigration.
For me, problems with immigration are substantially outweighed by the positives, especially over the long term.
But for people who live day by day, they don’t give a fuck about long term, nuanced benefits. They just see a simple and immediate supply and demand issue, that Brexit (Uk) and trump (US) promise to resolve.
They have a point.
Calling them morons is just an ad hominem approach that won’t work in my view.
But I think the biggest problem is te desire to ascribe to “simple solutions to complex problems”. There is no willingness to engage is nuance and the inter-relatedness of problems...every issue/problem has a simple solution.
Immigration? Just build a wall.
Islamist threats? Ban Muslims
Teen pregnancies leading to abortions? Close clinics
Hurricanes? Pray harder and blame the gays
Forest fires? Sweep up the kindling
Being smashed by China in trade? Put a tax on imports
Kids getting shot at school? More security and give teachers guns too!
Etc etc
While I loathe to call them stupid, there seems to be a large overlap between people looking for “simple answers” to life’s problems and religious folks as well. The simplest answer of “God did it” or “It was God’s will” has given a lot of them a lifetime of not questioning much in terms of cause and effect. This lack of skepticism also makes them ideal targets for grifters and conmen.
It’s a broad generalization though, and obviously can’t be applied to the whole group, but I think to a significant slice in both the USA and SA.
For example, I agree with you that there are plenty of trumpers that like simple answers.
But then you have plenty that believe in the most complex and convoluted conspiracy theories, that means that significant cohort can handle, and even embrace, complexity.
The wider point I suppose is that we’re all right; there are morons, there are short termers, there are simplistic folk, there are the religious and overall there is a lack of critical thinkers.
The real people to blame are social scientists who think that society can be separated into monolithic cohorts and those cohorts have consistent, predictable traits.
It has become ubiquitous in the media and work places and has made us all lazy in our assertions.
The real battle is individualism vs collectivism, and these social scientist are causing so much strife with their divisive nonsense like CRT and White privilege.
My evaluation of the caliber of investment experts in the Trump org comes down to one, indisputable fact.Ovals wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:31 pmThe Trump organisation will have plenty of smart people in it. They've won some highly unlikely multi million dollar suits. You can bet that the Trumps' personal fortunes will be well out of reach and the legal structures of the businesses, alone, will take years to unwind.fishfoodie wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:25 pmPeople who keep their fortunes tend also to be smart enough to not put their entire fortune i one asset class;Ovals wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:46 pm
Families like the Trumps never end up short of huge fortunes, no matter how many times they go bankrupt.
& they also surround themselves with smart people, who offer contrarian advice.
Does any of this sound like the Losers ?
Surgeon General would probably be a better fit given his knowledge of medical substancesFangle wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:32 pmHunter for Secretary of State.Sandstorm wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:57 pmHis own family?Fangle wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:52 pm Seeing that this thread is about Biden, who do you experts on US politics think will fill his cabinet positions? He has already ruled out all those in the senate. And that is especially wise in regards to Warren, who was angling for finance.
He can select anybody he wants, from private sector or politicians. I don’t know if there are any limitations including if they have to be American citizens. I am not sure, but maybe the senate has to approve. Normally that is just a formality.Woddy wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:24 pmVery few of us would hold ourselves out as anything more than interested, bemused bystanders with zero real knowledge of US politics. We're badly enough informed on our own...Fangle wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:52 pm Seeing that this thread is about Biden, who do you experts on US politics think will fill his cabinet positions? He has already ruled out all those in the senate. And that is especially wise in regards to Warren, who was angling for finance.
How does it normally work with picking a cabinet in the US?
Theoretically the Senate has to approve the selections for them to be confirmed. In practice, the POTUS can just have them as 'acting' officials, without any Sentae involvement. Trump used that 'get around' on numerous ocassions.Fangle wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:39 pmHe can select anybody he wants, from private sector or politicians. I don’t know if there are any limitations including if they have to be American citizens. I am not sure, but maybe the senate has to approve. Normally that is just a formality.Woddy wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:24 pmVery few of us would hold ourselves out as anything more than interested, bemused bystanders with zero real knowledge of US politics. We're badly enough informed on our own...Fangle wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:52 pm Seeing that this thread is about Biden, who do you experts on US politics think will fill his cabinet positions? He has already ruled out all those in the senate. And that is especially wise in regards to Warren, who was angling for finance.
How does it normally work with picking a cabinet in the US?
I am curious because I want to see what his aims are. Possibly even appointing someone from the other party like other presidents have done, including W.
He could make Obama the Ambassador to the UKFangle wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:39 pmHe can select anybody he wants, from private sector or politicians. I don’t know if there are any limitations including if they have to be American citizens. I am not sure, but maybe the senate has to approve. Normally that is just a formality.Woddy wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:24 pmVery few of us would hold ourselves out as anything more than interested, bemused bystanders with zero real knowledge of US politics. We're badly enough informed on our own...Fangle wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:52 pm Seeing that this thread is about Biden, who do you experts on US politics think will fill his cabinet positions? He has already ruled out all those in the senate. And that is especially wise in regards to Warren, who was angling for finance.
How does it normally work with picking a cabinet in the US?
I am curious because I want to see what his aims are. Possibly even appointing someone from the other party like other presidents have done, including W.
All US Ambassadors require Senate confirmationfishfoodie wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:44 pmHe could make Obama the Ambassador to the UKFangle wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:39 pmHe can select anybody he wants, from private sector or politicians. I don’t know if there are any limitations including if they have to be American citizens. I am not sure, but maybe the senate has to approve. Normally that is just a formality.Woddy wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:24 pm
Very few of us would hold ourselves out as anything more than interested, bemused bystanders with zero real knowledge of US politics. We're badly enough informed on our own...
How does it normally work with picking a cabinet in the US?
I am curious because I want to see what his aims are. Possibly even appointing someone from the other party like other presidents have done, including W.
Here you go. They should make millions.Sinkers wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:11 amFour Seasons total landscaping to add merch to their store and start selling t-shirts. I want one! Now!assfly wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:02 am The story about Trump's press conference at Four Seasons Total Landscaping is honestly one of the funniest things I've read in years. Straight out of Veep or The Thick of It.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... dApp_Other
What on earth are you on about?Bimbowomxn wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:19 pmRinkals wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:14 pmLargely because they tend to operate under the radar.Ovals wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:46 pmFamilies like the Trumps never end up short of huge fortunes, no matter how many times they go bankrupt.
I'm not sure they will find it easy to avoid scrutiny this time around.
Yeah all those massive gold towers and television shows is the very definition of “under the radar”
