NPR

boere wors wrote: Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:23 pm

Sards wrote: Mon Jul 31, 2023 5:41 pm " I am not sure but this seems to be the most unorganized and uncertain time that SA Rugby has been in prior to a RWC "
Found this.

On reflection.
Do any of the Saffers feel we have a realistic chance of winning this.
Is anyone comfortable with our preparation and coaching.
Let's be honest. We have some serious talent at our disposal . But are we going to see the best out of them.
We are Ireland's bitches currently. Can we realistically beat them. We are France's bitches. Do we have a plan to beat them that you can see. The ABs made us look like a school team. Can we realistically beat them in the next few years.

Boet, that's a bit too much honesty asked for. The saffers here usually are not that good in objectiveness. Expect the usual chest thumping

_Os_ wrote: Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:27 pm

boere wors wrote: Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:23 pm

Sards wrote: Mon Jul 31, 2023 5:41 pm " I am not sure but this seems to be the most unorganized and uncertain time that SA Rugby has been in prior to a RWC "
Found this.

On reflection.
Do any of the Saffers feel we have a realistic chance of winning this.
Is anyone comfortable with our preparation and coaching.
Let's be honest. We have some serious talent at our disposal . But are we going to see the best out of them.
We are Ireland's bitches currently. Can we realistically beat them. We are France's bitches. Do we have a plan to beat them that you can see. The ABs made us look like a school team. Can we realistically beat them in the next few years.

Boet, that's a bit too much honesty asked for. The saffers here usually are not that good in objectiveness. Expect the usual chest thumping

Boerie Roll and Sardy sitting in a tree ...

Rassie always keeps a monkey up his sleeve, you need to trust that monkey more.

Sards wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:54 am

boere wors wrote: Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:23 pm

Sards wrote: Mon Jul 31, 2023 5:41 pm " I am not sure but this seems to be the most unorganized and uncertain time that SA Rugby has been in prior to a RWC "
Found this.

On reflection.
Do any of the Saffers feel we have a realistic chance of winning this.
Is anyone comfortable with our preparation and coaching.
Let's be honest. We have some serious talent at our disposal . But are we going to see the best out of them.
We are Ireland's bitches currently. Can we realistically beat them. We are France's bitches. Do we have a plan to beat them that you can see. The ABs made us look like a school team. Can we realistically beat them in the next few years.

Boet, that's a bit too much honesty asked for. The saffers here usually are not that good in objectiveness. Expect the usual chest thumping

Surprisingly the chest thumping has been subdued.....
Before the season started we had 2 teams good enough to beat anyone and the dreaded Bomb squad..
Now we have the Stomps trashing Faf and Willie who they feel are responsible for the under par performances , probably looking for Herschel and Willemse to replace those 2 in the squad. Especially on fb. More particularily Sandy and Ouboet on here. Strangely the stats are contrary to the opinions of these two yet here we are. There is a perception and that's all that's required.

Reports of Rassie and Nienaber tendering their resignations prior to the Lions tour have emerged.
Because they felt the players hadn't enough time to prepare.....Then Rassiegate....
Now Nienaber is tuning Rassie what to do.....stay home and work on the players staying behind whilst he does the business in Argentina.
Either finally finding his balls prior to heading to Leinster or wanting to get away from the influence of Rassie. I am worried that there are tensions in the bok camp. Rassie likes to be hands on......the keyboard.

LoveOfTheGame wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:48 am
You should spend less time on FB Sards, it might be influencing your perception on conspiracy theories. As for Wors, he really is a fair-weather fan. Brings nothing positive to any discussion.

LoveOfTheGame wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:48 am

Sards wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:54 am

boere wors wrote: Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:23 pm

Boet, that's a bit too much honesty asked for. The saffers here usually are not that good in objectiveness. Expect the usual chest thumping

Surprisingly the chest thumping has been subdued.....
Before the season started we had 2 teams good enough to beat anyone and the dreaded Bomb squad..
Now we have the Stomps trashing Faf and Willie who they feel are responsible for the under par performances , probably looking for Herschel and Willemse to replace those 2 in the squad. Especially on fb. More particularily Sandy and Ouboet on here. Strangely the stats are contrary to the opinions of these two yet here we are. There is a perception and that's all that's required.

Reports of Rassie and Nienaber tendering their resignations prior to the Lions tour have emerged.
Because they felt the players hadn't enough time to prepare.....Then Rassiegate....
Now Nienaber is tuning Rassie what to do.....stay home and work on the players staying behind whilst he does the business in Argentina.
Either finally finding his balls prior to heading to Leinster or wanting to get away from the influence of Rassie. I am worried that there are tensions in the bok camp. Rassie likes to be hands on......the keyboard.

You should spend less time on FB Sards, it might be influencing your perception on conspiracy theories. As for Wors, he really is a fair-weather fan. Brings nothing positive to any discussion.

boere wors wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2023 1:55 pm

LoveOfTheGame wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:48 am

Sards wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:54 am

Surprisingly the chest thumping has been subdued.....
Before the season started we had 2 teams good enough to beat anyone and the dreaded Bomb squad..
Now we have the Stomps trashing Faf and Willie who they feel are responsible for the under par performances , probably looking for Herschel and Willemse to replace those 2 in the squad. Especially on fb. More particularily Sandy and Ouboet on here. Strangely the stats are contrary to the opinions of these two yet here we are. There is a perception and that's all that's required.

Reports of Rassie and Nienaber tendering their resignations prior to the Lions tour have emerged.
Because they felt the players hadn't enough time to prepare.....Then Rassiegate....
Now Nienaber is tuning Rassie what to do.....stay home and work on the players staying behind whilst he does the business in Argentina.
Either finally finding his balls prior to heading to Leinster or wanting to get away from the influence of Rassie. I am worried that there are tensions in the bok camp. Rassie likes to be hands on......the keyboard.

You should spend less time on FB Sards, it might be influencing your perception on conspiracy theories. As for Wors, he really is a fair-weather fan. Brings nothing positive to any discussion.

Who are you? I can't recall any discussion with you.

OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:19 pm Springboks – 15 Damian Willemse, 14 Canan Moodie, 13 Lukhanyo Am, 12 Ande Esterhuizen, 11 Makazole Mapimpi, 10 Manie Libbok, 9 Cobus Reinach, 8 Jasper Wiese, 7 Franco Mostert, 6 Deon Fourie, 5 Marvin Orie, 4 Jean Kleyn, 3 Thomas du Toit, 2 Bongi Mbonambi (c), 1 Trevor Nyakane.
Subs: 16 Joseph Dweba, 17 Gerhard Steenekamp, 18 Vincent Koch, 19 Jean-Luc du Preez, 20 Evan Roos, 21 Herschel Jantjies, 22 Jesse Kriel, 23 Kurt-Lee Arendse

OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:19 pm Springboks – 15 Damian Willemse, 14 Canan Moodie, 13 Lukhanyo Am, 12 Ande Esterhuizen, 11 Makazole Mapimpi, 10 Manie Libbok, 9 Cobus Reinach, 8 Jasper Wiese, 7 Franco Mostert, 6 Deon Fourie, 5 Marvin Orie, 4 Jean Kleyn, 3 Thomas du Toit, 2 Bongi Mbonambi (c), 1 Trevor Nyakane.
Subs: 16 Joseph Dweba, 17 Gerhard Steenekamp, 18 Vincent Koch, 19 Jean-Luc du Preez, 20 Evan Roos, 21 Herschel Jantjies, 22 Jesse Kriel, 23 Kurt-Lee Arendse

Chilli wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2023 6:05 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:19 pm Springboks – 15 Damian Willemse, 14 Canan Moodie, 13 Lukhanyo Am, 12 Ande Esterhuizen, 11 Makazole Mapimpi, 10 Manie Libbok, 9 Cobus Reinach, 8 Jasper Wiese, 7 Franco Mostert, 6 Deon Fourie, 5 Marvin Orie, 4 Jean Kleyn, 3 Thomas du Toit, 2 Bongi Mbonambi (c), 1 Trevor Nyakane.
Subs: 16 Joseph Dweba, 17 Gerhard Steenekamp, 18 Vincent Koch, 19 Jean-Luc du Preez, 20 Evan Roos, 21 Herschel Jantjies, 22 Jesse Kriel, 23 Kurt-Lee Arendse

If this solid pack can unleash the backline...........

Sandstorm wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:28 pm

Chilli wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2023 6:05 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:19 pm Springboks – 15 Damian Willemse, 14 Canan Moodie, 13 Lukhanyo Am, 12 Ande Esterhuizen, 11 Makazole Mapimpi, 10 Manie Libbok, 9 Cobus Reinach, 8 Jasper Wiese, 7 Franco Mostert, 6 Deon Fourie, 5 Marvin Orie, 4 Jean Kleyn, 3 Thomas du Toit, 2 Bongi Mbonambi (c), 1 Trevor Nyakane.
Subs: 16 Joseph Dweba, 17 Gerhard Steenekamp, 18 Vincent Koch, 19 Jean-Luc du Preez, 20 Evan Roos, 21 Herschel Jantjies, 22 Jesse Kriel, 23 Kurt-Lee Arendse

If this solid pack can unleash the backline...........

Lots of kicking again probably.

At least this back 3 aren’t midgets like last week and can compete in the air.

LoveOfTheGame wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 7:19 am Nice balance in the team, looking forward to see the boys having a go.

Sandstorm wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 9:05 am Mostert and Wiese have a lot to prove this weekend. Both are looking a shadow of themselves from last season.

LoveOfTheGame wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 10:51 am

Sandstorm wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 9:05 am Mostert and Wiese have a lot to prove this weekend. Both are looking a shadow of themselves from last season.

Wiese is a strange one, he had a very good season for Leicester. In fairness to him he's only had one outing so far.

Gumboot wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:16 am I don't think we should deviate much from the side we've rolled out so far. If emotions really don't come in to selections, there's no need to look at uncapped squad members like Finau. Leave that for Razor to decide, next year.

Gumboot wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:16 am I don't think we should deviate much from the side we've rolled out so far. If emotions really don't come in to selections, there's no need to look at uncapped squad members like Finau. Leave that for Razor to decide, next year.

Ymx wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 2:33 pm

Gumboot wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:16 am I don't think we should deviate much from the side we've rolled out so far. If emotions really don't come in to selections, there's no need to look at uncapped squad members like Finau. Leave that for Razor to decide, next year.

I’d like to see more of D Mac, and less of BB in this test.

Grandpa wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 9:10 pm

Ymx wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 2:33 pm

Gumboot wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:16 am I don't think we should deviate much from the side we've rolled out so far. If emotions really don't come in to selections, there's no need to look at uncapped squad members like Finau. Leave that for Razor to decide, next year.

I’d like to see more of D Mac, and less of BB in this test.

Predicted lineup...

Possible All Blacks starting XV: Will Jordan, Shaun Stevenson, Braydon Ennor, Anton Lienert-Brown, Leicester Fainga’anuku, Damian McKenzie, Finlay Christie, Ardie Savea, Sam Cane (captain), Samipeni Finau, Sam Whitelock, Brodie Retallick, Nepo Laulala, Samisoni Taukei’aho, Tamaiti Williams.

Gumboot wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 12:36 am

Gumboot wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:16 am I don't think we should deviate much from the side we've rolled out so far. If emotions really don't come in to selections, there's no need to look at uncapped squad members like Finau. Leave that for Razor to decide, next year.

Gumboot wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 12:36 am

OomStruisbaai wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:40 pm Can't figure out why they made Bongi captain. He is so useless.

Grandpa wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 9:10 pm

Ymx wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 2:33 pm

Gumboot wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:16 am I don't think we should deviate much from the side we've rolled out so far. If emotions really don't come in to selections, there's no need to look at uncapped squad members like Finau. Leave that for Razor to decide, next year.

I’d like to see more of D Mac, and less of BB in this test.

Predicted lineup...

Possible All Blacks starting XV: Will Jordan, Shaun Stevenson, Braydon Ennor, Anton Lienert-Brown, Leicester Fainga’anuku, Damian McKenzie, Finlay Christie, Ardie Savea, Sam Cane (captain), Samipeni Finau, Sam Whitelock, Brodie Retallick, Nepo Laulala, Samisoni Taukei’aho, Tamaiti Williams.

LoveOfTheGame wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 6:46 am

OomStruisbaai wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:40 pm Can't figure out why they made Bongi captain. He is so useless.

He is very yappy with refs. Does not come across as a natural leader either. But he is close to the action, whereas Am is too far away. Still strange in many ways.

LoveOfTheGame wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 6:46 am

OomStruisbaai wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:40 pm Can't figure out why they made Bongi captain. He is so useless.

He is very yappy with refs. Does not come across as a natural leader either. But he is close to the action, whereas Am is too far away. Still strange in many ways.

_Os_ wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 10:37 am

LoveOfTheGame wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 6:46 am

OomStruisbaai wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:40 pm Can't figure out why they made Bongi captain. He is so useless.

He is very yappy with refs. Does not come across as a natural leader either. But he is close to the action, whereas Am is too far away. Still strange in many ways.

Seems obvious why they went with Bongi, he's the type of guy who reads books in his spare time. Same reason Jean de Villiers got the captaincy when no natural leader was available. If there's no standout leader available, you pick the most intelligent guy who can communicate.

_Os_ wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 10:37 am

LoveOfTheGame wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 6:46 am

OomStruisbaai wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:40 pm Can't figure out why they made Bongi captain. He is so useless.

He is very yappy with refs. Does not come across as a natural leader either. But he is close to the action, whereas Am is too far away. Still strange in many ways.

Seems obvious why they went with Bongi, he's the type of guy who reads books in his spare time. Same reason Jean de Villiers got the captaincy when no natural leader was available. If there's no standout leader available, you pick the most intelligent guy who can communicate.

average joe wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 11:10 am Since everyone is thinking it but no one is willing to say it, I will. He's captain because of political pressure on transformation. Also, rassinaber likes his captain to be a big tough bastard near the coalface and not some glamor queen in the backline.

Kiwias wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 1:33 am

Grandpa wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 9:10 pm

Ymx wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 2:33 pm

I’d like to see more of D Mac, and less of BB in this test.

Predicted lineup...

Possible All Blacks starting XV: Will Jordan, Shaun Stevenson, Braydon Ennor, Anton Lienert-Brown, Leicester Fainga’anuku, Damian McKenzie, Finlay Christie, Ardie Savea, Sam Cane (captain), Samipeni Finau, Sam Whitelock, Brodie Retallick, Nepo Laulala, Samisoni Taukei’aho, Tamaiti Williams.

Grandpa is Ian Foster and I claim my annual subscription to the BB fan club.

Ymx wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 6:56 am
Holy smoke. You are the oracle !!!

average joe wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 11:10 am Since everyone is thinking it but no one is willing to say it, I will. He's captain because of political pressure on transformation. Also, rassinaber likes his captain to be a big tough bastard near the coalface and not some glamor queen in the backline.

_Os_ wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 11:35 am

average joe wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 11:10 am Since everyone is thinking it but no one is willing to say it, I will. He's captain because of political pressure on transformation. Also, rassinaber likes his captain to be a big tough bastard near the coalface and not some glamor queen in the backline.

Which white guy missed out on being captain Deon Fourie? Thomas du Toit? If this is all planning for the RWC, Fourie will be doing well to make the RWC squad at all, probably not going to be in the top 23. Du Toit is a lock in for squad, but has been used mostly on the bench, because he can play both sides it adds some versatility, playing him at tighthead (his worse side) means they can pick another player at loosehead, like in this test.

Bongi looks more likely to be on the pitch if other captain options go down? He's certain to be in the 23. If that actually happens and he needs to take over as captain we would be really fucked though, as Kolisi/Duane/Etzebeth (that order) are all ahead of him, and maybe Pollard too.

If it's about politics (I'm not convinced) then that's some next level planning. Boks always get more attention from the racist EFF types during a RWC, they hate watch the matches, a white captain is the sort of thing they would lose their mind over. They disrupted the players in 2015 I reckon, tried again in 2019 and failed.