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Welsh switch from blaming ref to blaming player(s)

Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:35 am
by Torquemada 1420

Re: Welsh switch from blaming ref to blaming player(s)

Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:47 am
by GogLais
So we have trolls like every other country, big deal. I don’t think anyone in NPR has moaned about France’s win but if posting this sort of rubbish makes you feel better then carry on I suppose.

Re: Welsh switch from blaming ref to blaming player(s)

Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:31 am
by Torquemada 1420
GogLais wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:47 am So we have trolls like every other country, big deal. I don’t think anyone in NPR has moaned about France’s win but if posting this sort of rubbish makes you feel better then carry on I suppose.
1) The key point is the trolls targeting their own players. Not the same as the death threats Genge received from Welsh social meejuh users where the target was opposition.

2) NPR is tiny. How many Welsh posters? 10? Highly representative.

3) And what relevance is that anyway? I posted it as something rugby related having seen it on Midol (a little bigger than NPR and they thought is was newsworthy) and then on WalesOnLine which, presumably, thought the same. Maybe you should email both news agencies and voice your concerns about publishing rubbish simply to make them feel better? :thumbup:

Re: Welsh switch from blaming ref to blaming player(s)

Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:33 am
by Slick
What is going on with you?

Re: Welsh switch from blaming ref to blaming player(s)

Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:54 am
by SaintK
Torquemada 1420 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:35 am https://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/6-nation ... tory.shtml

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rug ... e-20225985

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You can take the boi out of the valleys but.......
Probably Clive losing his rag again

Re: Welsh switch from blaming ref to blaming player(s)

Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:57 am
by GogLais
Torquemada 1420 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:31 am
GogLais wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:47 am So we have trolls like every other country, big deal. I don’t think anyone in NPR has moaned about France’s win but if posting this sort of rubbish makes you feel better then carry on I suppose.
1) The key point is the trolls targeting their own players. Not the same as the death threats Genge received from Welsh social meejuh users where the target was opposition.

2) NPR is tiny. How many Welsh posters? 10? Highly representative.

3) And what relevance is that anyway? I posted it as something rugby related having seen it on Midol (a little bigger than NPR and they thought is was newsworthy) and then on WalesOnLine which, presumably, thought the same. Maybe you should email both news agencies and voice your concerns about publishing rubbish simply to make them feel better? :thumbup:
Trolls aren’t known for their discrimination in who they attack as a visit to Everton FC’s forum would show. I expect the likes of WoL to publish attention seeking shit stirring bollocks but I thought better of this place.

Re: Welsh switch from blaming ref to blaming player(s)

Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:05 am
by Torquemada 1420
GogLais wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:57 am Trolls aren’t known for their discrimination in who they attack as a visit to Everton FC’s forum would show. I expect the likes of WoL to publish attention seeking shit stirring bollocks but I thought better of this place.
I'm actually flabbergasted. I can't speculate on WOL but I can be sure Midol wasn't publishing it for sh*t stirring. Quite the reverse and the French side sent messages of support.

And highlighting a wendyball forum!
a) Routine scumbag behaviour from wendyball "fans". Who'd have though it eh?
b) But worse, you appear to be indicating that you think this is normal. Ergo, you think such behaviour should be ignored? :wtf:

Re: Welsh switch from blaming ref to blaming player(s)

Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:29 am
by Niegs
I've never really thought about it until seeing that collection of tweets, but I wonder how athletes filter out that sort of garbage? I'm a big fan of Conan O'Brien and he says he never looks at tweets aimed at him, just sends a funny messages out or advertises the show.

I imagine athletes are using it to connect with mates in sport and in real life, so you'd have to see the personal attacks, right?

... imagine being such a dickhead/obsessed with sport that you'd personally call out an athlete with something so hateful. I've only ever @'d someone twice and it was completely 'this lad should be in the side' type thing, both times got a 'like' :cool:

Re: Welsh switch from blaming ref to blaming player(s)

Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:34 am
by Torquemada 1420
Niegs wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:29 am I've never really thought about it until seeing that collection of tweets, but I wonder how athletes filter out that sort of garbage? I'm a big fan of Conan O'Brien and he says he never looks at tweets aimed at him, just sends a funny messages out or advertises the show.

I imagine athletes are using it to connect with mates in sport and in real life, so you'd have to see the personal attacks, right?

... imagine being such a dickhead/obsessed with sport that you'd personally call out an athlete with something so hateful. I've only ever @'d someone twice and it was completely 'this lad should be in the side' type thing, both times got a 'like' :cool:
In part, I lack sympathy with celebrities who use such media tools. Clearly a large motivation for being on there is "look at me. I want to be adored" but if you are going to expose yourself that deeply then you have to expect to attract the loons too.

I don't use any of these things so don't know if the likes of Twatter have private group settings which would facilitate your point of "athletes are using it to connect with mates in sport and in real life"?

Re: Welsh switch from blaming ref to blaming player(s)

Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:41 am
by GogLais
Torquemada 1420 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:05 am
GogLais wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:57 am Trolls aren’t known for their discrimination in who they attack as a visit to Everton FC’s forum would show. I expect the likes of WoL to publish attention seeking shit stirring bollocks but I thought better of this place.
I'm actually flabbergasted. I can't speculate on WOL but I can be sure Midol wasn't publishing it for sh*t stirring. Quite the reverse and the French side sent messages of support.

And highlighting a wendyball forum!
a) Routine scumbag behaviour from wendyball "fans". Who'd have though it eh?
b) But worse, you appear to be indicating that you think this is normal. Ergo, you think such behaviour should be ignored? :wtf:
If I knew where to look I’m sure I could start a thread about something unpleasant and rugby related that someone from most, maybe all, countries had said or posted. But why would I bother?

Re: Welsh switch from blaming ref to blaming player(s)

Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:03 pm
by Sandstorm
Slick wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:33 am What is going on with you?
Good question, lockdown has made him even more of a nutter.

Re: Welsh switch from blaming ref to blaming player(s)

Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:44 pm
by Torquemada 1420
GogLais wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:41 am If I knew where to look I’m sure I could start a thread about something unpleasant and rugby related that someone from most, maybe all, countries had said or posted. But why would I bother?
So, you'd struggle to find the very thing you attribute as being routine amongst all nations? I like your defence style counsel. Would you like to approach the bench because your client would like a word.

Presumably all the press internationally that picked up on this decided either
- it was voluminous beyond the normal troll noise associated with any nation
- or it was of a degree significantly higher to merit flagging it

What da ya reckon?

Re: Welsh switch from blaming ref to blaming player(s)

Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:53 pm
by GogLais
Torquemada 1420 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:44 pm
GogLais wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:41 am If I knew where to look I’m sure I could start a thread about something unpleasant and rugby related that someone from most, maybe all, countries had said or posted. But why would I bother?
So, you'd struggle to find the very thing you attribute as being routine amongst all nations? I like your defence style counsel. Would you like to approach the bench because your client would like a word.

Presumably all the press internationally that picked up on this decided either
- it was voluminous beyond the normal troll noise associated with any nation
- or it was of a degree significantly higher to merit flagging it

What da ya reckon?
I’d in your words struggle to find it because it’s not a part of the internet I visit. If you’re saying us Welsh are unique in this aspect then so be it. Maybe the press decided it was a good story because it would go online and carry on the argument.

Re: Welsh switch from blaming ref to blaming player(s)

Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 1:06 pm
by Uncle fester
Niegs wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:29 am I've never really thought about it until seeing that collection of tweets, but I wonder how athletes filter out that sort of garbage? I'm a big fan of Conan O'Brien and he says he never looks at tweets aimed at him, just sends a funny messages out or advertises the show.

I imagine athletes are using it to connect with mates in sport and in real life, so you'd have to see the personal attacks, right?

... imagine being such a dickhead/obsessed with sport that you'd personally call out an athlete with something so hateful. I've only ever @'d someone twice and it was completely 'this lad should be in the side' type thing, both times got a 'like' :cool:
Stockdale spoke about the effect criticism on social media had on him.
It's not right really but players need to accept that they need to be careful in how they use social media.

Re: Welsh switch from blaming ref to blaming player(s)

Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 1:30 pm
by Begbie
Uncle fester wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 1:06 pm
Niegs wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:29 am I've never really thought about it until seeing that collection of tweets, but I wonder how athletes filter out that sort of garbage? I'm a big fan of Conan O'Brien and he says he never looks at tweets aimed at him, just sends a funny messages out or advertises the show.

I imagine athletes are using it to connect with mates in sport and in real life, so you'd have to see the personal attacks, right?

... imagine being such a dickhead/obsessed with sport that you'd personally call out an athlete with something so hateful. I've only ever @'d someone twice and it was completely 'this lad should be in the side' type thing, both times got a 'like' :cool:
Stockdale spoke about the effect criticism on social media had on him.
It's not right really but players need to accept that they need to be careful in how they use social media.

I'm sure Stuart Hogg mentioned the negative effects of social media during an interview not that long ago. I think he sacked it off and now a PR team handle all his social media now.

Re: Welsh switch from blaming ref to blaming player(s)

Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:03 pm
by Torquemada 1420
GogLais wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:53 pm I’d in your words struggle to find it because it’s not a part of the internet I visit. If you’re saying us Welsh are unique in this aspect then so be it. Maybe the press decided it was a good story because it would go online and carry on the argument.
Yeah. Now you are bending what has been said. I doubt anyone would suggest the Welsh were unique (because all absolutisms are wrong........ see what I did there?) but the fact remains that the nature of this particular behaviour was enough to hit intl media.

You may have some point in regards the last bit i.e. the death threats against Genge were brought up in the English media (IIRC) and so it could be that journos were looking for the theme. It could also be that the WRU brought it up themselves!
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rug ... e-20225985