Champions league (soccer) Liverpool v Real Madrid

[Ymx]

I don’t have bt, but just reading the updates.

Delayed - big queues - crowd trouble - tear gas

Is that right??

[Torquemada 1420]

I don’t have bt, but just reading the updates.

Delayed - big queues - crowd trouble - tear gas

Is that right??

Because Scousers too busy getting p*ssed before the game to arrive on time resulting in mass rush at last minute.

[Ymx]

It’s actually free streaming

[Jb1981]

Mixed messaging about the pre-game issues from what I can see. There are plenty that suggest mismanagement at the stadium in some way - although maybe that is just the fans’ perspective. There are people talking about being there hours in advance but still having these problems.

Liverpool look the better team so far but Real have a way of finding a goal.

[Jb1981]

And just like that, 1-0 Real Madrid .

[Ymx]

There are plenty that suggest mismanagement at the stadium in some way - although maybe that is just the fans’ perspective. There are people talking about being there hours in advance but still having these problems.

Sounds like typical EU regulations to me.

[Slick]

It’s actually free streaming

Yup, delighted to find that out an hour before kick off!

[OomStruisbaai]

How long can they keep them out?

[Tichtheid]

Keeper having a stormer

[Slick]

Keeper having a stormer

Yup, Liverpool (my team for what it’s worth with football) been all over them but the keeper has been outstanding

[Tichtheid]

Well done RM

I’ve seen three football matches in the last four or five years, two of them were RM’s games v Man City and now this, outplayed twice in everything but the score, the only thing that counts

I used to love football, it was my first sport

[Slick]

Well done RM

I’ve seen three football matches in the last four or five years, two of them were RM’s games v Man City and now this, outplayed twice in everything but the score, the only thing that counts

I used to love football, it was my first sport

I’m exactly the same, used to love it but I have watched 2 full games this year, tonight and the Rangers European final. Barely a sport any longer

[Tichtheid]

Well done RM

I’ve seen three football matches in the last four or five years, two of them were RM’s games v Man City and now this, outplayed twice in everything but the score, the only thing that counts

I used to love football, it was my first sport

I’m exactly the same, used to love it but I have watched 2 full games this year, tonight and the Rangers European final. Barely a sport any longer

Rangers, or what they come with, was why I stopped supporting Scottish football. They were my team as a kid.


The thing I noticed from being away from football for a few years is that even in that time the players are fitter, faster and a lot more skilful, the game is better now than it was then.

I chose to be a Gooner after spending a great afternoon in a pub in Kilburn nearly 30 years ago

[sturginho]

Well done RM

I’ve seen three football matches in the last four or five years, two of them were RM’s games v Man City and now this, outplayed twice in everything but the score, the only thing that counts

I used to love football, it was my first sport

I’m exactly the same, used to love it but I have watched 2 full games this year, tonight and the Rangers European final. Barely a sport any longer

Rangers, or what they come with, was why I stopped supporting Scottish football. They were my team as a kid.


The thing I noticed from being away from football for a few years is that even in that time the players are fitter, faster and a lot more skilful, the game is better now than it was then.

I chose to be a Gooner after spending a great afternoon in a pub in Kilburn nearly 30 years ago

in scotland or in general?

[Ymx]

Disappointing season ending for Liverpool - pretty deflating.

[Slick]

Well done RM

I’ve seen three football matches in the last four or five years, two of them were RM’s games v Man City and now this, outplayed twice in everything but the score, the only thing that counts

I used to love football, it was my first sport

I’m exactly the same, used to love it but I have watched 2 full games this year, tonight and the Rangers European final. Barely a sport any longer

Rangers, or what they come with, was why I stopped supporting Scottish football. They were my team as a kid.


The thing I noticed from being away from football for a few years is that even in that time the players are fitter, faster and a lot more skilful, the game is better now than it was then.

I chose to be a Gooner after spending a great afternoon in a pub in Kilburn nearly 30 years ago

Watching tonight I kept thinking how much more skilful every player is for even a few years ago. Still can’t stand the constant cheating though

[Tichtheid]

I’m exactly the same, used to love it but I have watched 2 full games this year, tonight and the Rangers European final. Barely a sport any longer

Rangers, or what they come with, was why I stopped supporting Scottish football. They were my team as a kid.


The thing I noticed from being away from football for a few years is that even in that time the players are fitter, faster and a lot more skilful, the game is better now than it was then.

I chose to be a Gooner after spending a great afternoon in a pub in Kilburn nearly 30 years ago

in scotland or in general?

In general, I don't watch Scottish football, but I have done an in-depth survey covering two whole games, Man City v Real Madrid and Liverpool v Real Madrid.

The top level seems to have kicked on, back then Barcelona played keep ball, the others do that but also play great attacking style, the players and leaner, faster and all of them are very comfortable on the ball, in every position on the park.

[Slick]

Well done RM

I’ve seen three football matches in the last four or five years, two of them were RM’s games v Man City and now this, outplayed twice in everything but the score, the only thing that counts

I used to love football, it was my first sport

I’m exactly the same, used to love it but I have watched 2 full games this year, tonight and the Rangers European final. Barely a sport any longer

Rangers, or what they come with, was why I stopped supporting Scottish football. They were my team as a kid.


The thing I noticed from being away from football for a few years is that even in that time the players are fitter, faster and a lot more skilful, the game is better now than it was then.

I chose to be a Gooner after spending a great afternoon in a pub in Kilburn nearly 30 years ago

My first day at school when my parents moved us to England I was asked who I supported. I only knew Rangers, who no one had heard of, so went home and asked my dad who I should support. Liverpool, Kenny Dalgleish plays for them was the answer, so that’s where that comes from

[Tichtheid]

I’m exactly the same, used to love it but I have watched 2 full games this year, tonight and the Rangers European final. Barely a sport any longer

Rangers, or what they come with, was why I stopped supporting Scottish football. They were my team as a kid.


The thing I noticed from being away from football for a few years is that even in that time the players are fitter, faster and a lot more skilful, the game is better now than it was then.

I chose to be a Gooner after spending a great afternoon in a pub in Kilburn nearly 30 years ago

My first day at school when my parents moved us to England I was asked who I supported. I only knew Rangers, who no one had heard of, so went home and asked my dad who I should support. Liverpool, Kenny Dalgleish plays for them was the answer, so that’s where that comes from

I used to get Shoot magazine on subscription. I could name practically every player in every team in the Scottish and English first divisions, as was.

Nowadays, well, I've heard of Mo Salah

[Tichtheid]

Watching tonight I kept thinking how much more skilful every player is for even a few years ago. Still can’t stand the constant cheating though

To be honest, that is rugby too, always has been.

[Torquemada 1420]

Mixed messaging about the pre-game issues from what I can see. There are plenty that suggest mismanagement at the stadium in some way - although maybe that is just the fans’ perspective. There are people talking about being there hours in advance but still having these problems.

Liverpool look the better team so far but Real have a way of finding a goal.

BS. I've done the Staid many times. It's a soulless place but one thing it is not is hard to get mass nos too quickly.Seems not only were the Scousers out on the p*ss until the last moment (St Denis does not have much in the way of bars), true to their tea leaf origins, there were many fake tickets which added to delays at the gates.

[Torquemada 1420]

Well done RM

I’ve seen three football matches in the last four or five years, two of them were RM’s games v Man City and now this, outplayed twice in everything but the score, the only thing that counts

I used to love football, it was my first sport

I’m exactly the same, used to love it but I have watched 2 full games this year, tonight and the Rangers European final. Barely a sport any longer

Increasingly rugby is like football and the best watches are down the leagues.

[Blackmac]

Odd how rugby matches are played at Stade de France for years without the slightest hitch and the the scousers turn up and it all goes to shite.

[Blackmac]

Mixed messaging about the pre-game issues from what I can see. There are plenty that suggest mismanagement at the stadium in some way - although maybe that is just the fans’ perspective. There are people talking about being there hours in advance but still having these problems.

Liverpool look the better team so far but Real have a way of finding a goal.

BS. I've done the Staid many times. It's a soulless place but one thing it is not is hard to get mass nos too quickly.Seems not only were the Scousers out on the p*ss until the last moment (St Denis does not have much in the way of bars), true to their tea leaf origins, there were many fake tickets which added to delays at the gates.

Thousands trying to storm the turnstiles doesn't help either. Always someone else to blame though.

[PCPhil]

Great to hear the learned views of eye witness accounts on this fred. Seems cut and dry.
There are different view being told from among others official police observers. I’m not saying either way but there should be an open investigation.

Oh, and by the way, Liverpool fans (or ‘scousers’ as a race) were held to be completely blameless re Hillsborough. Or do we throw this into the mix again?

[Jb1981]

Andy Robertson gave one of his ticket allocation to a friend and they were turned away because it was “fake”. There will be fake tickets at any big event - often naively bought, but when a ticket from a player is being rejected, something more went wrong.

[Margin__Walker]

Seem to be plenty of reports suggesting that system outages and poor organisation were at least partially to blame here. As attractive as is may be for some to pin all the blame on those cheeky 'scousers'

[Blackmac]

Great to hear the learned views of eye witness accounts on this fred. Seems cut and dry.
There are different view being told from among others official police observers. I’m not saying either way but there should be an open investigation.

Oh, and by the way, Liverpool fans (or ‘scousers’ as a race) were held to be completely blameless re Hillsborough. Or do we throw this into the mix again?

Everyone agrees that huge mistakes were made and a decent police and stewarding operation should have been able to control the situation safely, however i think most also quietly feel its nonsense to suggest the initial actions of the fans didn't at least contribute to the disaster that followed.

As to "scousers as a race" comment, what the actual fuck does that even mean.

[Blackmac]

Seem to be plenty of reports suggesting that system outages and poor organisation were at least partially to blame here. As attractive as is may be for some to pin all the blame on those cheeky 'scousers'

I don't think anyone is trying to pin all the blame on them, but we are certainly allowed to take issue with them trying to pin all the blame on the organisation.

[Jb1981]

Plenty of BBC correspondents who were there are now questioning the UEFA late arrival of Liverpool fans statement with one at least saying it was demonstrably wrong.

In a crowd that big no doubt some were in the wrong but the more video / reporting, the clearer it seems that the entry was poorly managed.

[PCPhil]

Great to hear the learned views of eye witness accounts on this fred. Seems cut and dry.
There are different view being told from among others official police observers. I’m not saying either way but there should be an open investigation.

Oh, and by the way, Liverpool fans (or ‘scousers’ as a race) were held to be completely blameless re Hillsborough. Or do we throw this into the mix again?

Everyone agrees that huge mistakes were made and a decent police and stewarding operation should have been able to control the situation safely, however i think most also quietly feel its nonsense to suggest the initial actions of the fans didn't at least contribute to the disaster that followed.

As to "scousers as a race" comment, what the actual fuck does that even mean.

Yeah alright, poor choice of words in this forum. I just remember the state sponsored character assassination of not just Liverpool fans but the whole city (one example the blond bumblecvunt using the phrase self-pity city in a national paper).

[Blackmac]

Great to hear the learned views of eye witness accounts on this fred. Seems cut and dry.
There are different view being told from among others official police observers. I’m not saying either way but there should be an open investigation.

Oh, and by the way, Liverpool fans (or ‘scousers’ as a race) were held to be completely blameless re Hillsborough. Or do we throw this into the mix again?

Everyone agrees that huge mistakes were made and a decent police and stewarding operation should have been able to control the situation safely, however i think most also quietly feel its nonsense to suggest the initial actions of the fans didn't at least contribute to the disaster that followed.

As to "scousers as a race" comment, what the actual fuck does that even mean.

Yeah alright, poor choice of words in this forum. I just remember the state sponsored character assassination of not just Liverpool fans but the whole city (one example the blond bumblecvunt using the phrase self-pity city in a national paper).

Yeah the state reaction against the Liverpool fans was shocking, but I do feel that this has led to the situation that even the slightest criticism of the fans is unacceptable. If you look at my posting history on the Hillsborough thread on PR I was a strong critic of the policing of the event, however that was caveated by the the general disregard for safety of that era.
I was also a strong critic of the policing of the Manchester Europa Cup final so I am in no way blinded to the failings of my old profession.

[Blackmac]

Plenty of BBC correspondents who were there are now questioning the UEFA late arrival of Liverpool fans statement with one at least saying it was demonstrably wrong.

In a crowd that big no doubt some were in the wrong but the more video / reporting, the clearer it seems that the entry was poorly managed.

You do wonder why though. At a stadium with so much experience of dealing with these large crowds, which tends to lead to the belief that the turnstile/entry problems were caused by unusual influences, ie ticketless fans, fake tickets etc.

[Blackmac]

As to the football, I am in no way an expert but I find Liverpools insistence on trying one more decisive pass when they are in an obvious shooting situation to be incredibly frustrating.

[Grandpa]

As to the football, I am in no way an expert but I find Liverpools insistence on trying one more decisive pass when they are in an obvious shooting situation to be incredibly frustrating.

20 shots, 9 on target... v 2 shots, one on target.

Presumably you'd like more shots?

[Blackmac]

As to the football, I am in no way an expert but I find Liverpools insistence on trying one more decisive pass when they are in an obvious shooting situation to be incredibly frustrating.

20 shots, 9 on target... v 2 shots, one on target.

Presumably you'd like more shots?

From last night you can't tell me there weren't opportunities lost.

[Torquemada 1420]

Great to hear the learned views of eye witness accounts on this fred. Seems cut and dry.
There are different view being told from among others official police observers. I’m not saying either way but there should be an open investigation.

Oh, and by the way, Liverpool fans (or ‘scousers’ as a race) were held to be completely blameless re Hillsborough. Or do we throw this into the mix again?

Very much post event but the reality in those days is it was always "bundle" at the turnstiles and having been squeezed personally at the narrowing entrances to Hillsborough at that end and other grounds, the combo of "herd the hooligans" policing at the time was always going to end up in bad news somewhere.

Did 39 Italian fans simply commit suicide at Heysel?

I'll state it again, the Stade is one of the easiest facilities in the world to get mass numbers in and out safely. It appears there were no such problems involving Madrid fans.

[Grandpa]

As to the football, I am in no way an expert but I find Liverpools insistence on trying one more decisive pass when they are in an obvious shooting situation to be incredibly frustrating.

20 shots, 9 on target... v 2 shots, one on target.

Presumably you'd like more shots?

From last night you can't tell me there weren't opportunities lost.

Oh, definitely. It was also just one of those days, where they had the best opportunities but it didn't happen for them... could easily have scored 3 or 4 goals, but didn't. Mixture of great goalkeeping, luck and sometimes poor execution. The universe was on the side of Madrid last night...

[Grandpa]

Great to hear the learned views of eye witness accounts on this fred. Seems cut and dry.
There are different view being told from among others official police observers. I’m not saying either way but there should be an open investigation.

Oh, and by the way, Liverpool fans (or ‘scousers’ as a race) were held to be completely blameless re Hillsborough. Or do we throw this into the mix again?

Very much post event but the reality in those days is it was always "bundle" at the turnstiles and having been squeezed personally at the narrowing entrances to Hillsborough at that end and other grounds, the combo of "herd the hooligans" policing at the time was always going to end up in bad news somewhere.

Did 39 Italian fans simply commit suicide at Heysel?

I'll state it again, the Stade is one of the easiest facilities in the world to get mass numbers in and out safely. It appears there were no such problems involving Madrid fans.

Too many assumptions... Heysel was the fault of Liverpool fans. Totally unrelated to last night... 20,000 fans herded through one turn style... legitimate tickets rejected... a perfect storm of organisational incompetence...

Disabled and blind Liverpool fans tear-gassed by French police at Champions League final

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... champions/

[Torquemada 1420]

Too many assumptions... Heysel was the fault of Liverpool fans. Totally unrelated to last night... 20,000 fans herded through one turn style... legitimate tickets rejected... a perfect storm of organisational incompetence...

Disabled and blind Liverpool fans tear-gassed by French police at Champions League final

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... champions/

The Stade holds 80k. There are at least 16 "gates" at which there are very many turnstiles per gate. I call BS on 20k passing through 1 turnstile.

Maybe legit tickets were rejected but how many illegal tickets were there?